NoNameD

REBELRON, I am suprised that you bring the Maryville recruiting machine to The T. I know that you all will need some help to get back on top. I guess those defensive linemen you got from Farragut did not help you win a state title. Fulton and A-E have some good players but I think that Alcoa has them signed. I knwe you all were going to lose when I saw the one Whitehaven fan holding a U.S. flag at the game. Great statement by him.

Not much activity lately. Maybe no one wants the job, or it is already a done deal?

Does anyone know how the 6 way scrimage went this Saturday. Who had the best team of all 6 teams. Any suprises? How did the Chatt area teams do against the team from West Knoxville?

Does anyone know what time the 6 way scrimage is this Saturday and what teams will be participating?

Are you sure it is the first time for seats on the visitors side at Fulton. I remember there being stands on the visitors side in the 70's.

Does any one know when Alcoa is scrimmaging before the regular season. I wonder if they will stay in the I or open up in the spread

No. He is going to continue to teach at Halls and will only coach at Webb.

 

That's been done before, and is still done. Former Clinton head coach Kevin Catlett has been coaching at Webb and teaching at Powell for quite some time, now.

 

Teachers/coaches who have tenure can do that.

Kevin must be a heck of a teacher. Teaching at both webb and powell

No. He is going to continue to teach at Halls and will only coach at Webb.

 

That's been done before, and is still done. Former Clinton head coach Kevin Catlett has been coaching at Webb and teaching at Powell for quite some time, now.

 

Teachers/coaches who have tenure can do that.

That is very true. All D-1 private schools do not recruit either but they are multiplied the same as the ones that do. There is not a way to determind the open zone schools that recruit vs the ones that do not. Therefore they should all be multiplied. Is it fair? Not for open zone schools not recruiting. The simple solution would be if your not recruiting then there is no reason to be open zone. Take the kids in your zone and play ball.

There is one way to tell if an open enrolment school is recruiting. Don't let students that are out of zone and pay tuition to go to a public school be eligible to play sports. The will say that is unfair. It is similar to a student getting financial aid to go to a private school school playing in the public league. That student is not supposed to be eligible to play sports. That is what go Grace Christian in Knoxville put on probation. They we playing in the public school league, but a student getting financial aid to attend the school was playing football and basketball. Simple solution, all privates play private.

That is very true. All D-1 private schools do not recruit either but they are multiplied the same as the ones that do. There is not a way to determind the open zone schools that recruit vs the ones that do not. Therefore they should all be multiplied. Is it fair? Not for open zone schools not recruiting. The simple solution would be if your not recruiting then there is no reason to be open zone. Take the kids in your zone and play ball.

The way to deal with open enrolment public schools is the same way that t$$aa deals with privates playing in the public league. If a student pays for admission to a public school, he/she can't participate in sports. You might be confused. Treat them like a private student getting financial aid to go to a private school. If that student going to a private school plays in the public divison, the they are ineligible for sports.

No dog in this fight...but I believe that the school (Alcoa) that won seven championships in a row in 2A and 3A is open-zoned. Also, the back-to-back 4A (Greeneville) and 6A (Maryville) champions are also open-zoned schools. These schools do not have to play with a multiplier either, while one is applied to schools like CPA. Should Alcoa, Maryville, Greeneville, and South Pittsburg "MAN UP" and create a new class of "open-zoned public schools"?

Of course that is what T$$AA should do. I have said this many times. Three classifications. Privates, semi privates(open zoned), and true public. Privates playing in the public league have too much influence and money for T$$AA to ever have the guts to do this. I say MAN UP T$$AA.

Just make it simple like I have said many times .... end all complaints !! Make 3 seperate divisions Private, Open Zone and Public .... and you have to play in that division where you fall .. no need multiplers etc ... done deal.

Tadvols speeks the truth.

As long as private schools are eligible for Div.I, it is their business where they choose to go - DI or DII. No one has a right to dictate to them what to do when they are not close to the situation.

Believe it or not, there are considerations other than sports. I know this for a fact because I was present at the meeting a few years ago at CPA where it was discussed - all the pros and cons of DI vs. DII. One concern was that if you are DII, it is too tempting to push all scholorship money to good athletes rather than other types of students and need. Another was do you want your students to only compete and interact with other private schools. The AD welcomed all opinions then presented the input to the Board of Directors of the school, and a decision was made. The TSSAA gives the choice to the school.

You privates make me sick. Winning championships at the expense of public schools that are not open zoned. Quit crying about travel, gas prices, and not wanting to compete with other private schools. MAN UP AND PLAY DII.

Division I private schools are not allowed to provide financial aid to athletes. If you have information that this it taking place, please name names and provide details on here so someone can initiate an investigation, or contact TSSAA compliance officials and register a complaint and they will investigate it. There is a lot of rumor and innuendo that floats around as to what schools are and are not doing. Most of it is just that--rumor and innuendo. However, if there is credible evidence that a Div. I private is providing financial aid to a student-athlete, the TSSAA will take it VERY seriously. If you doubt me, ask Grace Christian Academy in Knoxville.

Why don't you CAK people just man up and play in the private division. I just think you are afraid of playing Webb. The travel issue is just weak today. Man UP!

However you choose to spin it, you are spreading rumors about a 15 year old kid who is trying to get his education on track. Not cool at all.

Has anyone heard anything about Aaron Blance. We he be back a Webb, or will he transfer to another private school, or possibly play in Knox County

I think that if you at the records of what teams have won championships at the 1a, 2a, and even possibly 3a, I am am including Alcoa as private, that the privates have dominated the championships and the playoffs as a whole

There needs to be a change in the total playoff system. Seperate all public and private schools for the playoffs and put tuition publics in with the other tuition schools, the privates. The non tuition public schools should not have to compete with tuition publics for a championship,and the publics should not have to compete with private schools for a championship, just so private schools don't have to spend money on travel. Let them all play each other during the regular season, if the want to. Seperate everyone fairly for the playoffs. The statistics show who has an unfair advantage. TSSAA needs to change things, instead of just collecting money.

I think it would work out well too, with a big reason being most of your tougher, smaller size private school teams are already playing Division I.

 

You could do it different ways, if you did it as it is now and kept football and basketball districts the same Class A would have far fewer football teams than the other classes. Or you could take the football schools and divide by four. That's what I would prefer but I understand how they want to keep rivalries going across basketball and football.

 

Around Chattanooga, if you took the football schools and placed them into four classes, it would be something like this with this year's numbers (some might have more than one area district/region:

 

A: Chattanooga Grace, Lookout Valley, Copper Basin, Silverdale, South Pittsburg, Boyd-Buchanan, Whitwell, Notre Dame

 

AA: Chattanooga Christian, Marion County, Meigs County, Tyner, Bledsoe County, Sweetwater, Polk County, Howard, Brainerd, Sequatchie, Grundy, Signal Mountain

 

AAA: Red Bank, Hixson, McMinn Central (could move east), East Ridge, Sequoyah, Chattanooga Central, East Hamilton

 

AAAA: Baylor (moved up), McCallie, Cleveland, Rhea County, Ooltewah, Soddy-Daisy, McMinn County, Walker Valley, Bradley Central

 

If you did it like it is currently and had the classes the same across most sports, regardless of whether they have a football team or not-Whitwell and ND would be AA, Sequatchie. Grundy, Signal would be AAA, the rest would stay the same if Baylor and McCallie moved up to the highest group.

 

Like most such projections I've seen nothing giving an impression this will ever happen in TN, it's just interesting to look at since Georgia is doing something similar for their smallest group.

I think that if you at the records of what teams have won championships at the 1a, 2a, and even possibly 3a, I am am including Alcoa as private, that the privates have dominated the championships and the playoffs as a whole

How many of this year teams are Open Zone? I think two are private schools CAK and Friendship, so of the other 10 how many would be OZ?

I do not know. I think that you would have to look at many years past to get a pattern to see how open zone tuition schools and private school playing public to see how much they dominate in the playoffs. Maybe govolsknow.com would know. He does not want to adress the issue of privates playing against public schools that do not allow tuition students. That is where the real disadvantage is. Public non tuition schools against privates and semi privates like Alcoa, Greenville, and Maryville. Has that answered your question.

Since the CAK / Milan thread probably isn't the proper place to discuss this topic, I thought I would start one for those who feel compelled to discuss it. A few observations:

 

I think it ironic that so many Alcoa fans demanded that the open zone issue not be brought up for the 100th time, but it is commonly one of them who bring it up....again. No problem, just an observation.

 

I have made my opinion known in the past, that regardless of the outcome of a particular season for CAK, how an Alcoa team fares one particular season, or what classification CAK and Alcoa compete in, there is an obvious flaw in the TSSAA's policy.

 

The bottom line is that D1 privates accept tuition students from a wide area and pay the "penalty" of a 1.8 multiplier.

 

Alcoa accepts tuition students ($500) from a wide area and does not have a multiplier.

 

It is as simple as that. If you look at these 2 situations and don't see a disparity, then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

My opinion will not change even though:

CAK won the championship game this year.

If CAK defeats Alcoa for the next 10 games

If CAK moves up to 4A and Alcoa moves to 4A as well

 

My opinion will not change because it has never been based on CAK's results, it is based on an obvious loophole by the TSSAA. Let me be clear, the problem is not with Alcoa who has played by the rules, the problem is the TSSAA. Schools who accept tuition students should either have a multiplier or not. The TSSAA should be consistent, and their current structure is not.

 

Unless and until the TSSAA corrects the loophole, I fully expect Alcoa to continue to play by the rules as they have all along, and for CAK and others to try their best to give them a run for their money.

Simple answer to the problem, because there is a real problem between private schools, open zone tuition public schools, (really semi private), and true public schools that do not allow out of zone tuition students.

Put all the private schools in one league with with open zone tuition public schools. The other league would be made up of public schools that do not allow out of zone tuition students. That would solve the private schools complaining about having to travel too far to play other private schools. The would just be playing other semi private schools. The real teams that suffer because of the T$$AA are the public schools that do not accept out of zone students tuition students. If these public schools that accept out of zone tuition students want to keep playing in the public league don't let those students participate in athletics. Do the statistics, how many public schools that are not open zone tuition schools win championships, especially in class 2A thru 6A.

I've heard enough out of Greenback. This was your best chance to beat us with a really good team. GCA came out ahead with the victory. Yes, we sang the song, yes, we sang it on your field. No Greenback players were around, no Greenback fans were around. So, there was no lack of class. A classless act would have been if the players sang the song while they went thru the line after the game.

 

As for the Christian witness that this team has and continues to build, I think I will let someone much higher than a Greenback poster judge that. You guys have no idea what this team goes thru to improve their walk with the Lord. It's not only talked about, but expected from these young men.

 

Have a nice off-season, enjoy the District title, it will be a LONG time before you win another one. That's not taking a shot at you, that's just letting you know that we will be better over the next couple of years.

I will assume gcapride, that you assume, that no one in Greenback reads the paper? What about other christians and non-christians that read the newspaper. Where is Grace Christians witness to the whole world in that song ? What kind of deciples are you all at Grace Christian.If you have to somehow rationalize singing that altered Christian hymn then you all preach a Christianity of exclusiveness, not all inclusive.

Here is my feelings about Mckamey. He may be a good coach. (If I was able to bring in the best athletic kids year after year from other schools, I'd be a good coach too!). But, I saw it with my own eyes when three assistants came up to the coaching staff of another team and apologized for the attitude Mckamey had and apologized for him calling on-side kicks when they are up 28 points before the half, keping the starting offense and defense both in when the other team has jv playing in the third and fourth quarters of a 35-0 game. I saw the offensive coordinator and 2 other assistants apologizing profusely to the other coaching staff and begging them to not think that he is a reflection of the school. Sounds like a fine upstanding guy Grace has there! I wouldn't let my kid play for him if he and the pastor promised to help with tuition. Wait, don't they already do that?!?!

I would also have to question what kind of morals,ethics, or sportsmanship is being taught at Grace Christian. When I read a report in the Knoxville News Sentinel that the Grace Christian players sing Jesus loves us this we know, that is why we are 6 and 0, if you like us watch us, go 10 and 0. This song is sung on the football field by the players, led by the head coaches son, has been sung for years according to the newspapre report. The head coaches son said that he had been leading the song/cheer since middle school. I am a Christian and I think that is not a good representation of good Christian morals, ethics, or sportsmanship to change the words of a Christian song to make it sound like Jesus loves Grace Christian, and that is why they win football games. The song is Jesus lives me this I know, cause the Bible tells me so, not because we are 6 and 0. I have never read in the Bible anything about football or Grace Christian School. The Jesus Christ I now loves everyone.

hey goose,any idea who the new coach will be? im guessing robbie collier,he know sthe program,and already teaches at the school.i keep hearing pemberton,but i dont think that will happen.

I thought that Robbie Collier was a teacher and coach at Webb School of Knoxville

I have watched this discusion with great interest, especially with the intent of possibly recomending Catholic as a school for furure players. I thought that a few post back that a new three contract was in order for Coach Meadows. What happened to that possibliity. Another question? Is Ron Gray still there as an assistant coach. Could some of the assistant coaches be fueling the fire to oust Coach Meadows. Could one of them want the HC job.

Questions on eligibility:

 

1) If I live in the county and pay tuition (@ MHS) until my kid is a junior in high school (he did play jv football), can he then transfer the next school year to the school he is actually zoned for (WBHS) and be immediately eligible? Does the jv or varsity participation make a difference? Would I have to move down the street for him to be eligible for the school I live 3/4 of a mile from?

 

2) If I live in the county until my kid is a junior in high school (he did play jv football), can he then transfer the next school year to the county school he is actually zoned for (WBHS) and be immediately eligible? Does the jv or varsity participation make a difference? Would I have to move out of the city for him to be eligible for the county school?

 

3) I won't even ask about Alcoa, where it seems like everyone is eligible after a transfer!

Strong x, look at the T$$AA web site for information on eligibility rules and decisions. Don't waste your time on trying to figure out your situation though. Just look at the board of control members and you will find a Maryville assistant principle on the board of control. Give up trying to appeal the eligibility ruling. Maryville has had control of the T$$AA for a long time. Funny money, cheap apartments in the city, lawyers on the football staff, principals working for T$$AA, sounds like Maryville footfall, I mean Mafia to me.

Typo in my previous post. Let me try again:

 

Questions on eligibility:

 

1) If I live in the county and pay tuition (@ MHS) until my kid is a junior in high school (he did play jv football), can he then transfer the next school year to the school he is actually zoned for (WBHS) and be immediately eligible? Does the jv or varsity participation make a difference? Would I have to move down the street for him to be eligible for the school I live 3/4 of a mile from?

 

2) If I live in the city until my kid is a junior in high school (he did play jv football), can he then transfer the next school year to the county school he is actually zoned for (WBHS) and be immediately eligible? Does the jv or varsity participation make a difference? Would I have to move out of the city for him to be eligible for the county school?

 

3) I won't even ask about Alcoa, where it seems like everyone is eligible after a transfer!

You are very confused strong x. Pepvol, red rebel, rebel ron, mcwrestler, mhs, stars, (sorry if I left anyone out), and the rest of the Maryville Mafia are the experts on this topic, and they have already declared that the player in question is inelegible and GQ has never done anything questionable. The lesson here is that you never leave the Maryville family (MAFIA) with out severe conqsequences. William Blount and Heritage people should just give up their football programs because Maryville just has too much power with the T$$AA power people. What no one remembers is what happened to all of that funny money that GQ's boys printed out over a decade ago. GQ's boys told the head man that they would donate all of the funny money to uncle Ronnie Carter for future consideration if Daddy GQ would let them back on the team. The rest is history.