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Go read the playoff scenario's on the TSSAA website
That's where I'm getting my info. The TSSAA play-off area doesn't list the "district tie-breaker" information. You have to go to the play-off book (a pdf file @ TSSAA.org) to see the district tie-break rules. Also, if you go to the "Regional Standings" at TSSAA, you will note that they already have Henry Co listed #2 and NE as #3 in District 10, as if the tie-breaker is already in effect. Not trying to be obnoxious - just trying to understand all the various rules in place... This can certainly be a head-ache.
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The only way Henry co can finish 2nd is if northwest beats northeast
Again, the TSSAA Handbook district tie-break procedures starts with "1. The team with the greatest number of victories." Therefore (baring any upsets tonight), Henry Co. at 8-2 will finish ahead of NE (7-3). I realize NE beat HC but, then again, HC beat Dickson (at 9-1, the district champ?).
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According to the TSSAA Handbook, the first district tie-breaker is "1. The team with the greatest number of victories." Therefore, wouldn't district 10 be... #1. Dickson (9-1) #2. Henry Co. (8-2, with a win tonight) and #3. NE (7-3, also with a win tonight) ??? Therefore, HC gets a higher playoff seed? And, maybe, a 1st round home game?
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I think the way you have Quad 4 is exactly how it will be!
1) J NS
2) Ridgeway
3) Craigmont
4) Hamilton
5) C NE
6) Henry Co
7) Hardin Co
8) Munford
I believe that, according to district tie-breaker rules, Henry Co is D10 RU rather than C NE as HC had more wins. (BTW, there is a 3-way tie for District winner in D10). Also, are the no.1 and no.2 qualifiers from each district automatically given the higher seeds? Or is each division seeded by the TSSAA playoff standings (top to bottom)?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Knott's Landing closed? Matt's Pub on 79 serves fish and a variety of adult beverages. Ann and Dave's in Lakeway Village shopping center on the left as you are coming into Paris has good fish on their buffet. About 2 blocks farther toward town is the Fresh Market with a well rounded menu that includes fish. About 3/4 mile farther at the light where you turn to go to the stadium is The Hungry Wolf with excellent barbecue and fish.
GO BIG RED
Yes, indeed (sad to say)... Knott's Landing has shut its doors. A local icon has closed. And to whoever it was doggin' Trolingers evidently has not eaten there. It IS a very good local stop for Bar-b-q, sandwiches, etc.... but no fish! My suggestion is for Green Wave fans to join us for some good ol' tailgating food.
GO RED!!!
HC 28 Gallatin 7
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Ahhhhh, Henry Co. 35 ... Springfield 0 !!!
Looks like the Green Wave next week! Let's roll, Patriots!
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Didn't think Springfield and Henry County could meet in the 1st rd due to them being in the same district....
They confirmed it. Said that since there are 5 teams from 10AAA that it couldn't be helped. So the pairing stands...
Yea, regulations stated all along...
"The teams within each quadrant are placed in the bracket so that teams from the same district will not play each other in the first round. The only exception would be when 5 or more teams from the same district qualify for the play-offs and all 5 teams are in the same geographic quadrant."
I'm just glad to see that I was (hopefully) right all along (no disrespect) in asking why would Henry Co. be subject to the long distance of being lumped into the Memphis "quad" when we are closer to the Clarksville/Nashville group. Thankfully, the TSSAA agreed! I'm looking forward to playing someone else for a change (although we have to "go thru" Springfield - will be a good game as Springfield will be hungry!).
BTW, Henry Co. is 9-1, not 7-3 as the bracket has us.
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Tennessee High (5A) D1 #1
Sullivan South (5A) D1 #2
Daniel Boone (5A) D1 #3
Morristown West (5A) D2 #2
Morristown East (5A) D2 #4
Seymour (5A) D2 #5
Clinton D3 #1
Anderson Co D3 #3
Knoxville Powell (5A) D3 #4
Knoxville Catholic (5A) D4 #4
Cleveland (5A) D5 #5
White County (5A) D6 #4
Columbia (5A) D8 #1
Lawrence County (5A) D8 #2
Hendersonville (5A) D9 #3
Beech (5A) D9 #1
Henry County (5A) D10 #1
Clarksville Northwest (5A) D10 #2
Clarksville Northeast (5A) D10 #3
Hillsboro (5A) D11 #5
Glencliff (5A) D12 #4
Hardin County D13 #2
Jackson Northside D13 #3
Bartlett (5A) D14 #4
Ridgeway (5A) D15 #4
Melrose (5A) D16 #2
Mitchell (5A) D16 #4
Craigmont WC
Gallatin WC
Clarksville WC
Shelbyville WC
Springfield WC
So the Quads, in my opinion look like this:
QUAD 1
Tennessee High (5A) D1 #1
Sullivan South (5A) D1 #2
Morristown West (5A) D2 #2
Daniel Boone (5A) D1 #3
Knoxville Catholic (5A) D4 #4
Knoxville Powell (5A) D3 #4
Morristown East (5A) D2 #4
Seymour (5A) D2 #5
QUAD 2
Clinton D3 #1
Columbia (5A) D8 #1
Lawrence County (5A) D8 #2
Anderson Co D3 #3
White County (5A) D6 #4
Cleveland (5A) D5 #5
Springfield WC
Shelbyville WC
QUAD 3
Beech (5A) D9 #1
Clarksville Northwest (5A) D10 #2
Hendersonville (5A) D9 #3
Clarksville Northeast (5A) D10 #3
Glencliff (5A) D12 #4
Hillsboro (5A) D11 #5
Gallatin WC
Clarksville WC
QUAD 4
Henry County (5A) D10 #1
Hardin County D13 #2
Melrose (5A) D16 #2
Jackson Northside D13 #3
Mitchell (5A) D16 #4
Ridgeway (5A) D15 #4
Bartlett (5A) D14 #4
Craigmont WC
Quad 1 is a little iffy on the 5, 6, and 7 seeds I think...so who knows, and if they even split Anderson Co and Clinton off into Quad 2, or just 1 of them. My apologies to the Mitchell fans out there, looks like they will indeed be #5 seed in Quad 4 after the outcomes from this weekend. Now, we'll just see how wrong this is in the morning.
So #1 Henry Co. has to play 7-3 Craigmont right off the bat? It should be the best opening game in the state.....
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Henry Co. isn't going to win the state this year anyway. I don't see anybody beating Tennessee High.
Well, that's why you actually play the game, first! TN High, although I'm sure is a quality program, has beaten only 2 schools with winning records. Let's wait and see the outcome once they have played someone. And I'm not saying HC will win it all, either... we've definitely had our chance the last couple of years and still do not have the gold ball.
Is everyone ready for some football playoffs???
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If you look at the map, lawrence co. is southwest, henry co. is northwest, and columbia is north of lawrence co and further east. It only make sense for henry co. to go west. henry co. shouldn't even be in 5a! move up to your class and you will be in the middle tn bracket.
Well, if you want to go by strictly an "east-west" logic then you have to leave Lawrence out of quad 4 altogether and put in Clarksville NW... they are further west! But, again, travel distance is "supposed" to one of decision makers, "without regard to region alignments"...whatever that means, since there are no "regions" anymore.
Oh... and your wish for HC to move up in class? I don't think it would make much difference. We've already pummelled one 6A team this past week and should do the same tomorrow night (both from the middle TN area) - what's your point?
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WHEW!... lots of good discussion here. I, too, have drawn out numerous scenarios all season when it comes to this bum-fuzzled play-off system they have concocted this year. My one question however is why is Henry Co. continued to be lumped into this "quad 4" that has been so heavily discussed. (And, yea, I'm from HC). When this play-off system was first introduced and we re-joined the "Clarksville bunch" (again) for district play, I knew then that we (being a geographic stepchild) would probably be hosting/playing the "Memphis bunch" (again). It's really no problem as we have been accustomed to that for the last few years. I was just wishing, however, that we might get to play someone new this year... seems like we continue to have to play "thru Melrose" (which, again, is no problem - bring 'em on!) but if Lawrence County is separated from their district to join Memphis, why wouldn't Columbia, as well? (Pretty much the same distance to Memphis). A previous poster considered a Clarksville team making the "quad 4" but a response was too many $$ for them... well, the same exists for HC?! We are much closer to the Clarksville/Beech/Glencliff group than Memphis. I'm just wanting some new blood but I also think five 5A teams will be coming out of our district, so breaking us up may be better than having 2 play each other (which IS allowed, according to the rules). I just am wishing for a "new" team to play....
I think the distance from Memphis is NOT a relevant issue...sense there seems to be NO Memphis schools that will actually host. It would make more sense just to how far a school is from Jackson.(the center point of West TN).....remember...Bristol is the furthest point of East TN...but nobody is saying why they shouldn't play a team in Pod 1 because they are too far away from Bristol. The fact is...Henry Co. is closer to West TN's center point..thus will be playing in Quad 4 regardless of who else is in it and HC will host. Yes Twillie, Quad 4 will be the toughest road to the final...but would you expect anything else? There are several quality teams in Memphis that have to play each other..therefore their records indicate to most others across the state that these teams aren't very good....of course, you and I and those who have seen them over the years know different! Let the games begin!! Go Big Red!
Thanks, Advisor, and I appreciate your reply but (according to the TSSAA), your first statement is false. Distance IS the relevant issue. The whole reason for the change in HS football play-offs IS geography. They (TSSAA) wanted to hold down travel distance. Therefore (again) we are closer to the schools I mentioned in the Clarksville/Nashville area than Memphis (and, yes, we will host but a couple of Memphis teams will have to "travel" over 2 hours to get here). As I mentioned, I realize we are a geographic stepchild and the "Memphis" area schools (incl. Jackson, Hardin) will only have 6 teams make the play-offs. My question was, since Lawrence Co. will probably have to join in, why wouldn't Columbia as well (they are basically beside each other). And the Bristol scenario you commented on doesn't have the same problem. There will be at least 9 teams from the first 3 districts making the playoffs - all within an hour (or less) from each other - so the odd man there will have to play 1 hour west rather than east.... still fairly close. Again, I just would like to play Glencliff, Gallatin, Beech... someone, ANYONE "different" for a change.
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WHEW!... lots of good discussion here. I, too, have drawn out numerous scenarios all season when it comes to this bum-fuzzled play-off system they have concocted this year. My one question however is why is Henry Co. continued to be lumped into this "quad 4" that has been so heavily discussed. (And, yea, I'm from HC). When this play-off system was first introduced and we re-joined the "Clarksville bunch" (again) for district play, I knew then that we (being a geographic stepchild) would probably be hosting/playing the "Memphis bunch" (again). It's really no problem as we have been accustomed to that for the last few years. I was just wishing, however, that we might get to play someone new this year... seems like we continue to have to play "thru Melrose" (which, again, is no problem - bring 'em on!) but if Lawrence County is separated from their district to join Memphis, why wouldn't Columbia, as well? (Pretty much the same distance to Memphis). A previous poster considered a Clarksville team making the "quad 4" but a response was too many $$ for them... well, the same exists for HC?! We are much closer to the Clarksville/Beech/Glencliff group than Memphis. I'm just wanting some new blood but I also think five 5A teams will be coming out of our district, so breaking us up may be better than having 2 play each other (which IS allowed, according to the rules). I just am wishing for a "new" team to play....
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WOW!! Talk about homecooking!! The zebras sure helped out the home team on 3 or 4 calls my HC
faithful!! HC played a little better than DC, but not 34-14 better. The bad calls and 2 fumbles (told
you about DC and wet weather) sure did make it a little easier for HC. This HC team is good but not as
talented as last years and better look out for a Rossview team that just might sneak up on them
next week! Also, why did our band get un-invited at the last minute? I know it was senior night at
HC, but most schools do stuff like this before the game (7:00 pm) as not to interfere with the normal
schedule. Good game HC and good luck next week!!
For the record, dc80... HC was penalized 9 times for 86 yards. DC was penalized 3 times for 15.... seems more like "visitor"-cookin' to me?! (Esp. the one during DC's 1st scoring drive, where HC was penalized for a phantom personal foul that gave DC a first down, when it would have been 4th.)
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Guys, guys.... Where is all of the "pod" talk coming from? IF you follow the rules available on the TSSAA website, once all 32 teams are determined, the state will be divided in half (east to west) with 16 teams in each half by their geographic location. THEN, each half will be divided again (north to south) to create 4 "quadrants". There is NO WAY for Henry Co. to reside in the Memphis quandrant (they are too far north), so they should be lumped similar to the grouping I quoted above.
However, I DO feel TSSAA made up this rediculous playoff idea so that, in the end, they can group whomever they want into the 4 quandrants. And, yes, it IS possible for 5 teams to come out of District 10, so someone in that district can certainly be playing another district member in the 1st round. (CRAZY) I think, too, they are trying to manipulate this for the benefit of middle TN - the possibility exists for 2 middle TN teams to reach the championship but not 2 West or East.... (of course, it was kinda like that before...)
I suggest, if you haven't visited it, that you go to TSSAA and "play" with the playoff scheme... they have a page dedicated to the playoffs where you can develop the quadrants - they even have a map you can divide up on your own (of course, using your best guess of playoff members at this point).
I looked on the website but didn't see anything about the North/South division that you spoke of. Where did you see that?
You are right - I didn't find it completely explained either. I may be mistaken by assuming the definition of "quadrant" as cutting into 4 quarters by 2 lines 90 degrees to each other (yea, that's the definition). They (TSSAA) used to have a video on their site explaining this new system, and if I recall correctly, that was how it was described... cutting the state east-west, then north-south. But, there again, the less descriptive, the more they (TSSAA) can manipulate this into whatever they want it to be....
I did read, however, on TSSAA - the playoff rules portion - that 5 teams from the same district can be in the same "quadrant", therefore, 2 teams from the same district can have a 1st round game. Springfield would have to make it from district 10 though (and they are out right now, but next on the wildcard list!). Maybe, my bad, but still fun to play with. Here is the link...
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POD 1
Tennessee
Daniel Boone
Sullivan South
Morristown West
Morristown East
Seymour/Cherokee Winner
Powell
David Crockett*
POD 2
Clinton
Anderson Co
Knoxville Catholic
Cleveland
Cumberland Co/White Co Winner
Columbia
Lawrence Co
Shelbyville
POD 3
Beech
Gallatin
Henry Co
Clarksville NE
Clarksville NW
Hendersonville*
Clarksville*
Springfield*
POD 4
Hillsboro/Centennial winner
Glencliff
Hardin Co
Jackson Northside
Craigmont
Ridgeway
Melrose
Mitchell
IF Lawrence Co loses to Tullahoma, put Lawrence Co in POD 2 for Shelbyville and move Shelbyville to POD 3 for Springfield.
What is your basis for having Henry County in pod three, rather than pod four? Just wondered if you knew something that we don't know around here.
Guys, guys.... Where is all of the "pod" talk coming from? IF you follow the rules available on the TSSAA website, once all 32 teams are determined, the state will be divided in half (east to west) with 16 teams in each half by their geographic location. THEN, each half will be divided again (north to south) to create 4 "quadrants". There is NO WAY for Henry Co. to reside in the Memphis quandrant (they are too far north), so they should be lumped similar to the grouping I quoted above.
However, I DO feel TSSAA made up this rediculous playoff idea so that, in the end, they can group whomever they want into the 4 quandrants. And, yes, it IS possible for 5 teams to come out of District 10, so someone in that district can certainly be playing another district member in the 1st round. (CRAZY) I think, too, they are trying to manipulate this for the benefit of middle TN - the possibility exists for 2 middle TN teams to reach the championship but not 2 West or East.... (of course, it was kinda like that before...)
I suggest, if you haven't visited it, that you go to TSSAA and "play" with the playoff scheme... they have a page dedicated to the playoffs where you can develop the quadrants - they even have a map you can divide up on your own (of course, using your best guess of playoff members at this point).
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So have you folks noticed that Liberty Tech is now ranked 4th in 4A, and have gone 3-0 since our win against them in the season opener? I agree that we have faced as good if not better competition than our regular season schedule last year. We are just a good team, and I do not believe we are ranked #1 because of the success of the last 3 years.
Certainly you jest... of course we are ranked # 1 because of our previous success. However, I certainly think this year's team is definitely good enough to be # 1. As many other posters agree, although this year's offense is not as explosive as the past, this may be more of a football "team". I can see us going as far in the playoffs as we've grown accustom...
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From what i saw from last friday nites game , not only did the players come out tight or sluggish, but the coaches i think were trying to out think themselves instead of doing what has worked all year for them. This happened last year in the playoffs as well. I know that the other team has seen film on us but do we go against our strengths if they can't stop us ! In the players defense ( and i do not have a relative playing ) they were starting a different lineup on the OL and that may have thrown them off a little but after the regular starters got in there they seemed to settle down and execute as they have all season. I give coach Gaddis credit or whoever the coach was for using # 3 as the punter, as you have so many options when he is doing the punting, plus if the return man was to break it we would have our fastest player back ther to tackle him. Maybe he will have some more surprises this week for Melrose. I certainly hope so as i will be there at Orange Mound friday nite to cheer on the BIG RED MACHINE !!!!!!!!!
Just fyi - the chg in the starting OL was due to injury. Although cleared to play, #51 right tackle, was hopefully not going to play to help strengthen his strained MCL. Only other chg was a switch of center/right guard due to slight injury (OL is very versatile!). After 1st couple of drives proved "sluggish", 51 entered the game. Nothing against #69, which btw is only a 14 yr old freshman! (give him another yr!!!), as he did a good job, but offense seemed to "come together" at that point. Also, #3 was punting in 1st half as the regular punter was suspended for the 1st half of the game.
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Can't help but jump into this argument somewhat.... yeah, it's a bi*ch that HC is on the low end of the classification stick but some of it also depends on the quality of the overall program and coaching staff. In the pre-Gaddis days, you'll recall that most of the "10% athletics" were roaming the halls or streets while the few die-hard f'ball players were practicing.... the roster was down around 35. Now, we are pushing towards 100!!! Why, we have a coaching staff that brings out the best in the players & program and kids want to play for 'em. When you have lots of kids playing, you CAN have depth. Sure, schools with 100+ more kids have more possible athletes to pick from.... but they've got to want to play! You can probably review the teams/schools on the 6A classification list and throw the majority of them out as uncompetitive due to a lesser quality program/coaching staff. That's why Gaddis exudes his confidence by saying "Bring 'em on!"
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Milan never schedules HC when we have a good team.
HC has played Milan 15 times... record? 0-15.....
In all but 3 cases, HC had losing records for those seasons....hence, poor HC teams.....
The 3 winning seasons? 1971: 7-4 1972: 6-5 1975: 8-3
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BTW... not really lookin' ahead but if Fairley and Melrose win out (incl. a Melrose win over East halloween night), then Fairley will win their region based on overall schedule. If East beats Melrose, then East will win the region and Melrose will fall to 3rd behind Fairley..... I think either way Melrose can't win the region unless Fairley loses to Northside (not likely)....
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Well, looks like there are 2 threads going.... Anyway, Henry County can win the region with a win this Friday! I'm sure Gaddis will use that as extra incentive for the kids this week!
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I guess everyone realizes that since Hardin Cty lost last week, Henry Co. can win the region with a win against Northside... pretty good incentive for the kids this week as they prepare.....
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PAT04, Let me clarify what I mean by playing 3 or 34 on D. Playoffs 4th and 1 or on a goal line stand don't be surprised to see 34 in the game. He has been called on during the last 3 years to fill a hole in those situations. If Pats are putting 7-8 up on line for that situation don't be surprised to see 34. Playoffs ,If Pats need an extra DB in a passing situation late in a close game gotta believe 3 would be there. He has been called on in that situation before.
Don't get me wrong, the D has looked good without having to play them. No dish on the D. They have done great. Hope they are not needed.
They are just additional weapons to have for the Defensive Coordinator's disposal in the playoffs, if needed in situations.
Same sentiment here... and Gaddis has confirmed this in some of his pre-season talks. If the need arises, 34 & 3, along with a couple of other O-lineman, are prepared to step in on D. Again, if the need arises. Will the "need" arise this tonight? Doubtful...
HC - 48
Brighton - 13
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Howdy Yanker! That prediction is looking pretty good, except that I would expect a few more points on the HC side. I really hope you are able to make it up to Paris tomorrow night. And like twillie said, make sure you stop by the practice field for some fine tailgating! You might even catch Patsdoc there dancing to some tunes! It should be a cool and crisp evening - perfect for some great football!!!
Go Big RED!!!
For a (hopefully) cool evening... is chili still the theme???
Henry County @ Rossview
in Class 5A & Class 6A
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The HCHS band is mediocre at best. Fairley would blow them off the field. HC's show is based around a "Chill" theme... not sure what that is?! And the new uni's are not even school colors.... what's with adding black to uniforms these days? (band's or player's?!). HC should stick with "Big RED" all around... no black.... yuck! BTW, HC's best performance Friday night was the hip song they played on the sidelines at the end of the half - better than the entire field show!
Sorry... I digress... back to football. HC should dominate Friday night!
Is Odom out this week after being ejected Friday night?