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What so you think?

So far and from years past, I vote for Girls' Wrestling Moms

Cougars. Lets see your predictions. I bet they are awesome.

So are the brackets not in track?

Correction. Heritage va Blackman

oldblazedad,

I may not have a dog in this hunt but who are you trying to embarrass here? Sommers or his son? One is ok. The other is not. Sommers' boy is wrestling well.

On the road. Three hours left. Can middle school go 2-2-2 ? We want to tune up for state!

Ok. I am getting ready to drive 3.5 hours tomorrow. I see 5 kids in the weight class. The last two top 100s have ended at around 6:00.

Can we please wrestle Middle School 2-2-2 ?

cant see it

Hoping that next year they go back to the 2 day format. The loss of quality matches for the 3rd-6th placers who were 5 match ruled seemed such a shame this close to state.

Not trying to be too picky here but where were the medal stands? Great competition and the tournament ran well, but I thought the ending was just a bit watered down. JMHO.

Where can I find the results posted from last year? We sent some kids up there and I never did find it!

Dont mean to hijack your thread coach but I have a question about this.

Can a team just add a dual? I think the rules in TN would prohibit that unless you have missed a scheduled date or something.

What is the rule in KY or GA?

Wow. The criticism was unwarranted and contributed zero to the quality of info available on Coacht. Perhaps those who are critical of the work of others are getting too much attention?

Keep those rankings coming. That way, I don't have to do all that work!

So now, I want to question the folks who have taken the illegal side. What exactly about the lift and return was not legal?

Don't take me for trying to beat a dead horse. I have another kid who is going to grow up to be a middle schooler soon so I'm gonna be in this for a while and I want to make sure I know...........not just think I know.

Was it the trapped arm? (I am not sure, but it looked like the arm may have come loose prior to wrestler b contacting the mat....)

Was it because wrestler A didn't slow down the return somehow?

Because we can all agree that this is a common technique, what makes it a legal wrestling move?

Someone also said if wrestler B is injured after being lifted, then Wrestler A is at fault...what if he jams a finger on the way down or dislocates one? Would it then be illegal because the safety of wrestler B is in the hands of wrestler A?

Is there a place where I can read cases or examples?

Thanks to all again for the input. No really good discussions on CoachT lately so maybe this helps the folks who like to throw out their opinions once in a while!

Again, what I hear you saying is that a referee will base his calls on something other than the rule book. I know a lot of refs in this area and I just don't see them calling a match differently based on the reputation of the kid or team. If there is an illegal move, I expect it to be called. If nothing illegal is happening, no illegal call should be made.

This will be my last post on this portion of the debate as well.

We have already had this thread stirred up the wrong way once. No need to do it again. HSDAD, I know that you really don't believe that the refs never make mistakes. I am not saying this was an example of that but I do agree that the situation had some extra drama. And in all honesty I still wonder if wrestler B had a little more experience, it would have never been called.

And to insinuate that the refs will look to single out my kid or any other kid because of something written on this board seems to me to undermine the integrity of a lot of good men. But that's just me.

Just for curiosity sake, I posted this video in Iowa and asked the same question. Here is one of the responses..

LOL

I agree that he has developed nicely. I think your boy is one of the most improved wrestlers I have seen from the beginning of last season to now. I can tell the older brother has worked with him.

Thanks! He has totally worked his tail off since the end of last season. He has also benefited from some great coaching....older brother included!

Thank you all for your input. This is great discussion material.

The last thing I want to do is discourage my kid from going hard and working to score. In hindsight, with an inexperienced opponent, he should have probably just cut the guy and worked on his take downs until a pinning opportunity presented.

Now, with that said, I can see why that return could be called illegal. I'd still like to find some case examples to help me learn more. As someone else mentioned, that same return is normally not called a slam. If the defensive guy had landed on his head disproportionally from his body, or if he landed on his back, I would say easy call. To me, this one seemed like an overreaction turned into a judgement call and it didn't go his way.

Wrestler A has been developing nicely and hopefully he will learn from this. When I first saw this video, I told him not to change anything he is doing. After reading this discussion, I think that was the right decision overall. He didn't intend on causing injury and he will not in the future.

I do question and condemn any coach who will take an undeserved win at this age. I am not saying that this was an example of that by any means. I'm just saying......

Thanks again for the input.

This was a dual meet and indeed, the injured wrestler's team won the dual by two points.

I thought it was borderline over-reaction. I have definitely seen this type of a return not called dozens and dozens of times.

Should there be a consideration for what appears to be Wrestler B's inexperience? (not knowing how to fall or not experienced falling?)

Thanks for the comments and thoughts.

So before I get criticized for being a sore loser, I am not worried about my kid winning wrestling matches. He is doing fine.

I do want to get an honest opinion of what most people think about this call.

No offense coach, but I am very familiar with how many register the night of the deadline.

With that said, a strong AAU tourney should draw 350-600+ kids from around the state. I just don't see that many more signing up by midnight tonight.

......They are coming in from Chattanooga, Memphis, and Alabama for this tournament. ......

Yes.....all 75 of them.

Ken Guthrie

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770-324-5982

Did a great job for us earlier this year.

Hats off to MJ - I knew you could score but i didnt think your D would do what they did to BHS

Told you I would chime in Notredame.. Congrats to MJ