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Yes, roughing can be called on a rugby style kick. Yes, the kicking team can advance a punt as long as they pick it up behind the line of scrimmage (by rule it talks about in or behind the neutral zone) but for talking purposes the line of scrimmage is what people are familiar with.

If it hits the ground and K touches it before it goes 10 yards then it is first touching. R has option to put the ball in play at that spot in most cases.

Sounds like kick catch interference to me. K cannot catch the ball on a kickoff that has not hit the ground first. Kick catch interference. They can on a punt if no R player is there to receive the punt but not a kickoff.

An inadvertent whistle ends the down. Inadvertent whistles are administered as follows: a. The down shall be replayed if, during a down or during a down in which the penalty for a foul is declined, an inadvertent whistle is sounded while a legal forward pass or snap is in flight, or during a legal kick. b. The team last in possession may choose to either put the ball in play where possession was lost or replay the down if, during a down or during a down in which the penalty for a foul is declined, an inadvertent whistle is sounded while the ball is loose following a backward pass, fumble, illegal forward pass or illegal kick. c. The team in possession may choose to either accept the results of the play at the dead-ball spot or replay the down if, during a down or during a down in which the penalty for a foul is declined, an inadvertent whistle is sounded while the ball is in player possession. d. The penalty shall be administered as determined by the basic spot and takes precedence over inadvertent whistle administration if, during a down, a live-ball foul occurs prior to the inadvertent whistle and the penalty is accepted.

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All he has to do is throw in the vicinity of an eligible receiver for the offense. You are also going to get into some judgment on this. What you and I consider near a receiver may vary. To answer your question about the high pass, yes. You also have to take a look and and see if you want to call it a personal foul or interference. It would really depend on what happened. Below I am posting some on pass interference. ART. 7 . . . Pass interference restrictions only apply beyond the neutral zone and only if the legal forward pass, untouched by B in or behind the neutral zone, crosses the neutral zone. Pass interference restrictions are in effect for all A and B players until the ball is touched or the pass is incomplete. ART. 8 . . . Pass interference restrictions on a legal forward pass begin for: a. A with the snap. b. B when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. ART. 9 . . . Pass interference restrictions on a legal forward pass end for: a. All eligible A players when the pass has been touched by any player. b. All ineligible A players when B touches the pass, however it is not pass interference for ineligible A players to use hands and arms in a legal block to ward off an opponent. c. All B players when the pass has been touched by any player. d. All players when the pass is incomplete. ART. 10 . . . It is forward-pass interference if: a. Any player of A or B who is beyond the neutral zone interferes with an eligible opponent’s opportunity to move toward, catch or bat the pass. b. Any player hinders an opponent’s vision without making an attempt to catch, intercept or bat the ball, even though no contact was made. ART. 11 . . . It is not forward-pass interference if: a. Unavoidable contact occurs when two or more eligibles are making a simultaneous, bona fide attempt to move toward, catch or bat the pass. b. Contact by A is immediately made on a B lineman and the contact does not continue beyond the expanded neutral zone. c. Contact by B is obviously away from the direction of the pass.

Pudding, thanks for the background. I like the fact that you want to know. As you said about your buddy, it makes him get in the book. I admit that I have to do the same as well. Sometimes I may know how something will be called but I have to get the rule wording to post on here. I try and keep this thread bumped year round to keep up the discussion. I enjoy the discussion and rule talk. I haven't shared where I am at due to anonymity. So, I prefer not to share that. I like your tackle box story. I have heard that one many times. We also hear "the pass wasn't catchable" and people think personal fouls are automatic first downs. Heck pass interference is no longer an automatic first down. Keep the questions and conversation coming.

Pudding you seem to know your studd pretty well and know what to ask. I would think you are affiliated with something where you need to know the rules. You coach?

You are right about the free blocking zone and what you can or can't do. What is impossible to to really know if the ball is in the zone. By saying the block has to be immediate you know the ball was in the zone. If it is delayed the ball should be moving and leave the zone pretty quickly. The FBZ is only 3 yards deep on each side of the line of scrimmage and goes away when the ball leaves the zone. Most of the time if the OL has time to delay his block the ball is going to be out of the zone. When they fire off and go low the ball typically hasn't had time to go real far. Do I like low blocks? No. I would be ok with everything having to be above the waist but they aren't. All chop blocks are illegal. This is a high/low (below the knee) block. Other than that it is pretty much fair game at the snap as long as both players are on the line of scrimmage and in the zone.

1 - if you can't see it, it is hard to call. You need to be able to see the restriction and for the most part the restriction needs to near the point of attack (around the ball). 2 - the rule is what it is. As far as when they can cut, they way we try to call it and what we tell coaches is that if they cut immediately at the snap then they are good. Any delay and we have a block below the waist.

I believe you are thinking about protection for the snapper. It is 7 yards for the holder on a FG or PAT. It is 10 for a punter. Below is the definition of roughing the kicker. Running into or roughing the kicker or holder. A defensive player shall neither run into the kicker nor holder, which is contact that displaces the kicker or holder without roughing; nor block, tackle or charge into the kicker of a scrimmage kick, or the place-kick holder, other than when: a. Contact is unavoidable because it is not reasonably certain that a kick will be made. b. The defense touches the kick near the kicker and contact is unavoidable. c. Contact is slight and is partially caused by movement of the kicker. d. Contact is caused by R being blocked into the kicker or holder by K.

Case book play: 8.2.1 SITUATION: Runner A10 dives into the pylon at the intersection of the goal line and sidelines and the ball breaks the plane of the goal line. RULING: Touchdown. Assuming the pylon was placed properly, the ball broke the plane of the goal line prior to the touching of the pylon. Rule 4-3-2 says: ART. 2 . . . When the out-of-bounds spot is between the goal lines, the ball shall be put in play at the nearest hash mark to the inbounds spot unless a forward pass is involved. If the out-of-bounds spot is behind a goal line, it is a safety, field goal or touchback. If the ball touches a pylon, it is out of bounds behind the goal line.

We no longer call our own schools in the playoffs regardless of round. Anywhere you go this Friday the crew will be from elsewhere.

Where his body is at is irrelevant. The ball is what matters.

Probably not roughing here. The referee would have to make a decision. It is a tough one when the kicker is running like that.

Great scenarios!...and can be easily confusing. A - momentum. Ball goes to the 2 where it is 1st and 10 for the receiving team. B - TD for the kicking team. C - foul enforced from the momentum spot (2). 1st and 10 for the receiving team from their 1. D - safety E - no momentum since the ball did not become dead in the end zone. Safety here as well.

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Not in high school. It would be illegal participation when he returned. Rule reference - An ineligible A player has illegally touched a forward pass if he bats, muffs or catches a legal forward pass, unless the pass has first been touched by B.

Not a rule to my knowledge. We have told them they can play anytime they want. The only no no we enforce is that they can't be blowing a whistle. Even at that point it would be something for game administration to handle.

Off the top of my head it is usually for an ineligible receiver touching the football. In most cases this would be an offensive lineman.

If they aren't the widest guy on the LOS of scrimmage they can't do a whole lot.

I don't understand what you are asking here. The original question was asking whether they could lift their hand.

Not really outside of some kind of odd shift. The widest guy on the line of scrimmage can lift his hand and shift. If the widest guy shifts off the line of scrimmage then the next the was previously covered up could do the same. Not anything I think you would see. Once an interior lineman has his on or near the ground he is pretty much stuck. Same thing with the center and taking his hands off the ball. 7-1-7c states: ART. 7 . . . After the ball is marked ready for play and before the snap begins, no false start shall be made by any A player. It is a false start if: c. Any A player on his line between the snapper and the player on the end of his line, after having placed a hand(s) on or near the ground, moves his hand(s) or makes any quick movement

There can be up to 10 on each side of the kicker. No rule preventing it as of now. The kicking team cannot initiate contact until they can legally touch the ball. Basically the ball has to go 10 yards or the receiving team has to touch it first. Once the ball has gone 10 yards or the receiving team touches it, and the ball has hit the ground, it is game on. Slightly different for a kick that has not hit the ground. You have to give that receiver a chance to catch the ball.

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