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Stealing bases is something players of the game do. Last I checked spectators/ observers of the game don't actually play in the game /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> But lets teach our young people to do something that IS Illegal at the top level /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" /> Like I said before lot's of character & integrity of people show up in topics like this. /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" />

This thread wasn't or will it be about scouting other teams player's,calling coaches or reading the news paper. That is not for debate here that is just good ol'e preparation. It was about STEALING signs & if its wrong.One might think that the actual name might give it away. I do love threads like this because it usually shows the true character of people. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />

I don't think that a player on 2nd base letting the batter know were the catcher is setup at is cheating. Is it needed? Not really, the player on 2nd is part of the game. There has been major investigations in recent years of professional baseball & football teams for stealing signs WHY- because it is not only unethical also considered cheating it is illegal in the pro's. Coaches have recently been been fine fined $500,000.00 Now just because its illegal in the pro's "I'm sure" it doesn't make it illegal in High school & travel sports & just because a parent or some other spectator is doing the sign stealing instead of a coach doesn't make it o.k. When Bill Belicheck was fined for his team stealing defensive signs from the NY Jets he personally wasn't the person performing the cheating action but was the coach responsible for knowingly allowing the action to take place. Just like many coaches in Youth/HS sports do. I believe that spectators should watch games & cheer their team on, not try & be an influence on the outcome of any game by calling pitches & telling the batter were the catcher is set up at ect...... I thought one of the lesson's that Youth/HS sports was supposed to teach our youth was right from wrong. HS sports are an extension of the classroom, cheating is not allowed in the classroom. Mommies & daddies aren't allowed to help ther kids cheat on test's but yet some consider it o.k. on the ball field?? Good teams beat other team's on the field.

Stealing signs in major league baseball is considered cheating & very unethical. I don't kid myself for one minute to think that it still doesn't go on in the pro's or in high school & travel softball/baseball. Most people that I've spoken with about this over the years (during travel ball) know who the coaches/teams are who do this are. These teams on the travel circuit generally become well known (disrespected)for this type of play/coaching. It maybe part of the game as you say "cascade11" but it is cheating plain & simple, very disappointing to hear you advocating this type of play. LET THE GIRLS PLAY!

AMEN!!!! AMEN!!!! AMEN!

I heard that she had Tommy John surgery in Sept or Oct. Doesn't that require a min 12 month lay off? Checked the internet doc & I quote- "Full recovery to pre-surgical strength and success usually takes 18 to 24 months . That??™s Tommy John surgery in a nutshell". Maybe thats not the surgery she had. If it is I wish her well, hopefully she will be allowed ample time to recover properly, too many times you see young athlete's pushed back into the game by their own or maybe their parents desire for them to compete only to further prolong recovery.

I don't think that you can classify Forrest as a young team!!! You seem to know alot about some players out of WTn but very little about HS softball in this state as a whole. HS softball is some what different from football. There is much more parity between the divisions. You would know this if you ever went to any of the larger HS tournaments in the state or surrounding states. A good 1A "softball school" can compete with a good 3A softball school, not usually the case in football. High school softball pitchers are not unlike major league baseball pitchers, they don't win EVERY game! but they do their part to help their team be competitive in games against good competition,but do have off outings. I dont know what the team records of each of the state champions & runners up at last years Spring Fling was but I would guess that thru regular season & tournaments played prior that there were no Unbeaten teams prior to the tournament. My guess is that you think they should just be able to shut down any team they play is because you have a very limited exposure to all the good competitive teams in this state.

It was my understanding from spectators at the spring fling that the two eigth graders that were playing had actually been in the line up all year. (The youngest Renfroe & the Cross girl.) Ive seen Ivy & Ellen pitch at many tournaments thru the years & my guess is based off that is that Forrest caught them on a bad couple of days..... As for depth? Isn't this softball or were you talking about their basketball team? I've been watching softball games for a day or two & there are 9 players on the field & the nine who start usally finish the game especially in championship play. Maybe you've watched too much rec league. As for their coach, I watched 2 of the 3 games they played with Forrest & never noticed him being a jerk or any bad behavior from either of their coaches (tca). Did I miss somthing or do you carry a grudge from a previous encounter???? To summarize, I do think that Forrest as well as Trinity,Cornersville & Huntingdon will be back at the "Boro" again this year this year in 1A, but I do think that Trinity will be on a mission this year after winning 2 in a row & then giving it away at the end last year. Good luck to all!