slagiatt

good solid hire! He has good experience under a solid coach at 2 good stops.

Now leave him alone!

I wouldn't hire gentry personally. He has cost Maynard a lot games in tight moments that shouldn't have lost. Great motivator and players coach but not a head football coach. Lebanon needs a young vibrant coach to come and set the standard of winning. The only way they can achieve this is by running a wide open spread offense unlike harp did in his tenure.

Listen carefully! I know that you watch all the very good spread teams in college, and you are certain that a vibrant spread offense is the answer, Here is a HS fact.....you can ALWAYS run the ball, but you cannot ALWAYS throw the ball. The 2016 Lebanon QB could not throw it in the ocean. Sam Harp is a very good coach that took a (currently) bad job; he would have opened up his offense if it was possiblle...it was not!

Case in point.......MJ has been a spread type team for about the last 3 years; they started the season still trying to fling it, and they lost (2) early games. Someone at MJ realized that your "vaunted" spread offense was not getting it done; so they went back to smash and dash and running the clock and winning football games.

So does Lebanon need a young energetic coach          absolutely, and there are some good local ones nearby. Gentry is one of those young energetic coaches with a pretty good pedigree; he has worked with Maynord (excellent HS FB coach), but there are others nearby; if they have even applied. So, getting a good young one is a really good way to go IMHO.

Here is what I am trying to tell you, Colleges have at least triple the time each week to work on their offense AND they get to go and recruit the appropriate type player needed for their type offense...........they can run what ever they choose to do.

In HS, you gotta go with what is in the building. If you do not have a PASSER (* denotes accuracy) AND catchers (* denotes ability to run after the catch). So, to make a blanket statement of the need of a spread offense is quite simply HORSE-HOCKEY!

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lance white would only continue to the train wreck known as lebanon football. we need a offense guy. harp ran a different offense every year and it was terrible.

Well then, how about the Z White at Wilson Central; he is the OC, he is young, energetic or how about the OC ay MJ; I do not know his name, but I think he has been a HC.....I think?? These are (2) offensive guys. I also keep hearing about a coach from Watertown...Jobe?? Is he the OC there. This would give you (3) great choices right close to home. All those offenses are very good

Any comments??

Former Lebanon Assistant Coach Lance White is about to win his second consecutive Class 5A State Championship as the Defensive Coordinator at Independence in 5 weeks barring an upset. He also had some very good years as the DC at Culpepper (VA) HS and Daniel Boone in East-TN.

Loss of memory is a terrible thing. When L. White was at Lebanon when Harp arrived; he wanted to stay. This was nixed by Harp (*note Harp was following the lead of the "extremely" knowledgeable AD - Brown). Providence has shined quite brightly on White as a result of that denial. I got to believe that he has had nightmares about his attempt to stay at Lebanon.

Now all this being said; I am fairly certain that he will attempt to get the job, and revive the DEBILS. More power to him!

Here is the gospel..........................listen carefully. Right now Lebanon is not a very good football situation.  Can it get better; absolutely! Here is how; hire you a hungry energetic coach with a tireless work ethic, and then.............................LEAVE HIM ALONE!

Now it might get worse, but..............................LEAVE HIM ALONE. If you must comment about what is going on..............IT HAS TO BE POSITIVE. Now is that possible in Lebanon? Hopefully yes!

IMHO

Just now in the Wilson Post. Harp has resigned effective Nov 5h. Let the Debil coaching hunt for a new coach begin. This will be interesting on how many apply.

they need someone that runs a wide open spread offense that excites players and gets them out to play.. also needs to be young so he can relate to the players bc a school that size with that many athletes shouldnt be that bad

Now that is what they really need. This will certainly bring all those presently absent "athletes" out to the fields of pass happy glory. Of course you will need a couple of QB's that can pass a football, and you will need some "catchers". Yes, that could be the answer! Old Coach Harp is just too dumb to realize that the "spread" would solve all his problems.

However if they spread too wide; they may really get it put to them, but heck that would definitely be exciting, and get them out to play. So, lets start this here.........."SPREAD IS THE WORD"

Who could come to Lebanon and make a difference?

Run, at the conclusion of each weeks game broadcast; the broadcast crew ALWAYS says that Harp is going back to the drawing board. It appears that the drawing board was not offered this week. Hmm, did he lose the drawing board, or is he simply out of drawing board material?

If Lebanon decides to go with another coach or Coach Harp decides to go else where, do you think they hire within county or outside county? Th reason I ask there are some good candidates inside county.

 

Central has got 2 young coaches that might be head coaching possibilities and they also have a coach on staff that has had previous head coaching experience. My son played with the OC at Central. He is a very bright young man that will make a good head coach.

 

MJ has got at least 2 viable possibilities. They have a coach on staff that has had previous head coaching experience in metro that is young and energetic. They also have another young coach on staff that has been at MJ for a while who is the strength coordinator and O-Line/special teams coach.

 

Just wanted everyone's input. Obviously, no one can predict future, but wanted some feedback on possibilities. I too believe Lebanon could win, but I think it will take a young coach with a great supportive staff.

Did you mean if Harp steps down? Yeah right!!............... I have a statement for you Blue Debils; here it is

If management does not step him down; he will be there next season. He is double-dipping in a "sweet" work set-up. Good deal if you can get it. Harp will not leave of his own accord.

Runtheball could put together a good staff with experience and young energy. I know of one former HC with a lot of experience and two younger guys he could get fairly easily. I think we are all jumping the gun a bit being that harp is still the HC.

Harp is DMW, and Run would be super!!

Coaching is important,but if your players could not start at the school you are playing then winning is going to be tough. 

runtheball

Those in the know (once a blue debil always a debil group) will tell you that the hallowed halls of Lebanon are overflowing with talent...... a motherlode of strength and speed.

Funny story - In the last change; one of the leaders of "we need a new coach now" was doing this so his talented grandson could be nurtured to the true greatness that was surely lurking in the young man...........The granddad's DNA was a blueprint for football legacy, (*note - The grandad had never had played the game......but he had stayed in a Holiday Inn.)

Back to the story - The young man lasted less than 10 days!

Maybe you and the moonwink could team up, and right the Blue Debil ship

Yeah well what exactly have I said that you take exception to? I will without hesitation say that this is not completely on him. i already said that he ain't got much to work with. But at some point you've just got to cut your losses and try some fresh ideas and perspective. In his fourth year they shouldn't be getting hammered by Warren Co and giving games away vs Antioch. I'm not asking for region titles just moderate improvement.

Please explain! How is that some coaches (ie Harp) get the "well he ain't got much to work with", excuse and the previous two coaches were just terrible coaches that were basically clueless. I have witnessed a few coaches that were always tough to play every Friday night; I thought with Harp's super-duper pedigree and record that he was of that category ----- HE AIN'T!!  He is really very ordinary on both sides of the ball

I suspect his sterling record in KY was achieved with year in and out better talent + he was playing in a single A type setting which means he had to actually catch 2-3 tough games per year. He got to "shoot birds over a baited field" The highest classifications in most states is simply a week in and week out buzz saw. Harp has never faced that till he came here.

Now I seen a couple names mentioned............heck Woodard came into a worst sitiuation than Mr Harp.........*note Antioch is only 0-11 team in the history of the TSSAA, and will retain that dubious honor FOREVER; as the set-up is changing next year. Woodard comes in, and in the first year polishes off Mr Harp and the Debils..............

If ya'll think Brentwood made a mistake..............I would go after Woodard. Just my two cents

Lebanon's only chance at another win this season will be next week vs Antioch

When does the Harp music end????

That was surprising, but maybe not. MJ has had the tougher first 3 games, and could have won either of 2 losses had they gotten a break or two.

Now that being said; Wilson Central seemed to have more speed than MJ; so will do OK in the play-offs to a point. This was first time to watch Wilson Central, and their major weakness seems to be on the "D" side. When MJ decided to run right at WC; it was not pretty. WC did not match up well to the MJ power running attack and made no adjustment to counter it.

Was a huge crowd, and a great game.,but ugly parking

gonna ask some of the wilson county guys, what in you alls opinion is the problem at lebanon? they have a large pop to pull from and seem to have a good amount of athletes but never can win.. is it coaching, admin, players or what?  interested to hear you guys thoughts on this

You need to ask the real "Blue Devil Guru"  Wilson Post + game radio announcer---Tommy Bryan that question? He seemed to think that Harp was the reincarnation of coaching royalty at the time of hiring, and that the trophy case was getting ready to be filled. I would be curious as to how he thinks now. There is a problem there, and I do not think it is coaching.

I do think the split school system LSSD & WCS is part of the problem, but am not really sure about that. It is a curious thing that occurs from time to time; it is easy to go from the penthouse to the outhouse, but the climb back up to the penthouse seems to be much harder, and take longer. You got to have some talent and avoid injuries; the higher classes require a bit more depth in the talent dept. The cupboard appears dry for the Blue Devils. They could be the next 0-11 team; that includes a long road trip to Memphis. *note........this set-up needs to be fixed in some way. IMO

I will ask again,

Who is the offensive coordinator?

Who is the offensive line coach?

Who is the OC for MJ?

I went to the game tonight..............great game! Tough that someone had to lose. Reason I am posting is that I saw something that MJ ran on offense that I have not seen in over 50 years.

MJ started out running the "spread" concept vs the Ravens; it was not very effective.

Then they went to a form of the old-timey single wing attack, and made a game out of it. They ran the ball right at CR with much success.

But the real old-timey thing that MJ sprung on CR was the SHORT PUNT FORMATION, and they hurt CR bad with it. The Raven had no answer.

Back in the old 1940's - 50's in the single-wing era...............the Short Punt was in vogue by many coaches and teams.It made me chuckle..........I got to call Herschel Moore tomorrow, and tell him what I saw; he has a Short Punt playbook LOL.

I am old retired coach that loves wing-t type football..............this absolutely made my day. Hats off to the MJ staff for the trip back in time. Sorry about the loss.............well played and fought game by both teams

 

Wes Elrod

Interesting; what is the Short Punt offense? Sorry Coach; I am not as old you..LOL

See where MJ lost their OC. Who will little Perry get to run the Bear spread "O"?

Nothing much to say other than, WE DONT HAVE SPEED! We can't contend with teams that have athletes! It's becoming disturbing that we have become such a subpar team, 5 turnovers, zero points..... It doesn't get much worse than that. Credit to Cane Ridge.... They absolutely annihilated us. If I had to give one positive to the MJ team, it would be the Defense they fought admirably, other than that it was an atrocious performance, the coaching game plans have got to get better. Change is needed somehow some way.

Then please explain.............if you have no speed; why are you attempting to run a wide-open spread offense. You got some big good looking "O" linemen..........tighten things up, and play some smash mouth football. If you cannot whip them in space....'fight em in a phone booth". Old Perry was pretty dang good at that...............why did little Perry do that?? Just curious??

Pretty sure he didnt call anyone out in public until he was told to resign!  Do some research about where the principal came from.  She has an interesting track record.  Also, Shadowens has been there for 6 years?  no issues prior to this new 1st year principal.  Maybe it isnt just the ole ball coach with an ego?

Read my post..............I did not call her smart!

Remember the (2) rules

1.) The Boss is always right

2.) If Boss is wrong......refer back to rule #1.

Shadowens is undoubtably a good coach, but calling out your principal in the paper is NOT smart. Here is why..............if he applies for Oakland; I have to believe the Oakland principal will think..............hmmm..."what if turns on me"..........hmm.

Now this will not apply,,,,IF he and the Oakland principal are relatives, next-door neighbors, or simply great friends.

Reason I say this.........I had 2 coaching friends do same thing; was NOT a good career for either..............they never recovered.

BURNING BRIDGES IS NOT SMART...............BURNING THEM IN PUBLIC EXCEEDS ANY AND ALL IQ; THAT ONE MIGHT HAVE!!

Kevin Creasy is currently one of the top-5 best high school coaches in the state at any level.

Good coach............he needs to get Lost Old Dad as a reference.

LOD is the "Wing T Nazi"......................"No wing-T for you Oakland"

LMAO

A couple of "absolute facts"

1.) Coaches have egos (*note, it is standard equipment)............some coaches have oversized egos. (*also note, egos can get your panties in a wad)

2.) Administrators stick together............adminstrators wince & cringe when they see their brothers and sisters called out in the newspapers.

IMHO..........this is about the dumbest thing a "seemingly smart coach" could ever do..........she will have a line of coaches from here to China apply for that job, and (2) years from now it will be "Phillip who?"

NEVER call out a dum..ss boss in public................NEVER!!! It is very similar to calling a 1 yd pass on 2nd down in a Super Bowl with a beast resting behind you...........keep your ego at bay, and your mouth shut.....feed the beast!!

Hope that it works out for your Coach..............it may not!

Wow Lebanon is a dumpster fire right now. I thought they finally had a coach. I'm not sure they could even beat Watertown at this point.

It may be beyond the dumpster; I think the entire landfill is on fire! I watched them last year, and they were bad. This year, they are pitiful. This coach is a legend???  Does legendary status transfer from another state............just kidding. The problem at Lebanon was not because of poor coaching from the previous two coaches; nor is it the problem NOW.