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6 hours ago, SouthernTNguy said:

That 2020 Tullahoma team was better than the 2021  state championship team. Always tough playing a team twice, and the Nolensville coaching staff had  a great game plan, to shut  down Tullahoma.

The 2021 team was by far a better football team in terms of “team”. The 2020 team was certainly more athletic, but not better.  I also believe that offensive play calling  got better in 2021 due to choking against Nolensville in 2020.  

Here's my $0.02 worth.....

Far from a powerhouse region, BUT.......other than the number of top tier athletes - Columbia, FC, Spring Hill, and Shelbyville will always have 1 or 2, and sometimes 3 kids that are as good or better than most in the state.  Tullahoma, Lawrence Co., & Lincoln Co., sees those top tier athletes less frequently, but they do come through.  Travel, gate, and atmosphere will all certainly improve, particularly for Law.Co, LincCo., T-town, and FC.  

9 hours ago, BigDaddyDave said:

Barely!

Barely, or not, a "W" is never measured by the score differential.  

17 hours ago, urmama57 said:

both of these teams suck and aint playin anymore so why yall still talkin

true, which is exactly why some are still talking about it.  Troll another board cuz your stuff is as fresh as the Sea Man in yesterday's sock.  You've been a member on CoachT for a whole 4 days and have nothing but troll posts.  

4 hours ago, Ttown58 said:

 

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Unfortunately Tullahoma, doesn't have a coach of that caliber.

 

 I disagree.  Witten calls the offense.  Sisk calls the defense.  Sisk>Witten.  Proven last December

I'd hear my buddy say it over and over again about his coaching days..... a coach's ability should always be measured by what he does with an average athlete.  Anyone, even I, can coach the superior athlete, despite, or in spite of themselves(myself).  Coaching a far less talented athlete takes talent from the coach.  I've watched less talented kids play with much better technique and more aggression, thus making them a better football team than this year's team.   I have no doubt, that if given the opportunity, Coach Sisk will remedy the deficiencies that currently exist in the program, hopefully beginning with the most glaring positions on the field....QB's and offensive line.   Play calling does not translate to completions and first downs, but properly coaching said positions may yield better offensive performances.  

Tullahoma should win tonight, but stranger things have happened.  Hopefully we'll quickly realize the need for the addition of a couple of coaches to the staff.  Tullahoma most definitely has a need for an offensive line coach, and a QB coach, as is apparent every Friday night.  It's been painfully obvious that neither position gets coached.  I understand the line coach retired and was not replaced, but what about the QB's?   What's their excuse?

14 hours ago, PercyPeabody said:

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Welcome back to the board! Tullahoma started taking it on the chin, and you disappeared for weeks

. The Wing T can be very effective with simply running a sweep, trap, boot, and counter. You run variations off those four base plays. I've seen it installed over a summer and implemented well in one year. Now grant it you have to have the discipline of actually practicing it so you may be right that Tullahoma wouldn't have been able to install it in a year. The Wildcats definitely have the personnel that is more suited for it than what they are trying to do now. It'll be interesting to see what offense they run next year. Hopefully there are some changes on that side of the ball. 

This is way too funny!!! I hadn't even wondered where Shasteen was until this post......and you couldn't have nailed it any better. lmao

1 hour ago, Ttown58 said:

I don't think the coaches know what the goal is. Bratcher, and Delaughter, are not as talented as the last two quarterbacks, Tullahoma has had Scott, and Fulton. 

Bratcher and Delaughter are just like Fulton.  

51 minutes ago, PercyPeabody said:

They could've competed against those 6A schools if you count showing up as competing. Tullahoma would've been throttled by some of the 6A schools. 

There wasn't a school in the state that would've "throttled" Tullahoma last year.  Not in 6A, or 5A, or 3a for that matter.  Beat, maybe, but not throttled or beaten the brakes off of.  Coaching, if anything, might've gotten in the way, but even then, it didn't get in the way on 12/4/21.  Just saying.

23 minutes ago, Ttown58 said:

I don't think anybody in there right mind, thinks Tullahoma could have competed in 6A against the likes of Oakland, and Maryville, and there aren't any other teams in 4A, or 5A, that could have competed   in 6A last year either.

Tullahoma achieved something last year, that no one thought we would ever see in Tullahoma, in winning a championship. We might not ever win another state championship. But we can say, that we  have a gold ball in our trophy case, and not many schools in this area can say that.

 

 

 

You really feel that way?  I watched a team last season that could have easily competed with Oakland, Summit, or Maryville.  Only depth of talent would have caught up with Tullahoma.  First teamers on first teamers, I'm confident Tullahoma would have stood toe to toe with any of them.  

22 minutes ago, IPOPU2022 said:

I watched the 6A State Game last year and Tullahoma would have gotten the breaks beat off by either. 5A might have been a good game. But traditionally 5A is a different animal than 4A most seasons. 

I too watched that game, that night, after watching T-town beat Betsy.  Tullahoma could have easily hung with both of those teams.  11 on 11, I would've taken taken Tullahoma.  Tullahoma would've ONLY been beaten when it came down non-starters, as is evident with what we've fielded this year.  I know there was NOT a team in the state that would've "beaten the brakes off of Tullahoma" last season.  That's a fact. But then again, we'll never know.....so this is pointless.

On 10/22/2022 at 10:14 PM, IPOPU2022 said:

Tullahoma is going to 5A next 3yrs. . Not Good other than traveling and playing local teams. Jus my opinion but i believe remaining in 4A really improved their position IF they make the Playoffs. No Way they Win a St Champ in 5A last season. Powell or Page would have dominated them easily. . So yea getting the traditional close rivalry games with FC and LCHS will be awesome but their enrollment is considerably less. Tullahoma is ultimately better off in 4A playing schools of similar size both in the season and ultimately playoffs than dealing with the bigger 5A schools. 
Tullahoma is going to struggle completing in 5A. FACT

Most of what you say is reasonable and makes sense, except for........."No Way they Win a St Champ in 5A last season."  In fact, they could've not only won 5A, but could have competed against both 6A teams last year.  FACTS.

4 minutes ago, PercyPeabody said:

Thanks! With last week's loss and it being an almost two hour drive North, I don't see a lot of Tullahoma folks traveling up for this one. Hope I'm wrong. 

@PercyPeabody, I'm curious to know why you dropped the Cascade logo? 

10 hours ago, IPOPU2022 said:

Those teams were ALOT WORSE. . No Comparison. No Size No Athletes No talent and young. This year’s team would have beat them like clubbing baby seals all day long. . Tullahoma will definitely be much better next year once the younger kids have a chance to grow both physically and from being thrown into the fire as underclassmen. 
I look for a much improved team that could win 8 or 9 games once we figure out our schedule in a new class and region. Hard work in the off season weight training and working on fundamentals and technique we will see a much improved team next year in the second season of a complete rebuild of loosing basically an entire team due to graduation. . THS will be back to the product we’ve seen most years under Olive and the existing coaches. 

We'll agree to disagree.  This year's team is getting flipper slapped by those baby seals...

1 minute ago, Ttown58 said:

Thu	Aug. 18	7:00 PM	Shelbyville		W 16-7
Fri	Aug. 26	7:00 PM	#15 Coffee County Coffee Pot Game		L 14-35
Fri	Sep. 9	7:00 PM	at #10 Marshall County R		L 7-42
Fri	Sep. 16	7:00 PM	#20 Creek Wood R		L 3-16
Fri	Sep. 23	7:00 PM	at #5 Pearl Cohn R		L 0-45
Fri	Sep. 30	7:00 PM	Hillwood R		W 42-10
Thu	Oct. 6	7:00 PM	at Montgomery Central R		W 31-0
Fri	Oct. 14	7:00 PM	#24 Lawrence County R		L 10-14

I stand corrected, thank you.  And yes, it's hard to win a ball game when you can't score.

1 minute ago, Ttown58 said:

Looking back through the records, you will have to go back to the winless years of 2015, and 2016 to find an offense, worse than this years team.  This years team has much more talent than those teams had.

I understand the logic, but I'm not convinced that those teams were worse than this team simply based on their "O'fer" record back then.  I remember those teams producing points, something this team has yet to do.  In 2015 the team scored a total of 105 pts on the season.  In 2016, 166 points.  In 2022 through 8 games, 51 pts.  

1 hour ago, yom0mma5favfan69 said:

Can you speak on the strengths of this team? Let's us know please. Matter of fact, let the coaches know so they can fix it. Or, like i said a few weeks ago, put in for a coaching position. The real problem i see with this community is the up and down support. When Tullahoma was on top everyone, well except @Cakeman, was on board talking about how great the kids were and what a job the coaches did. Now, it's a tad bit different, the coaches can't coach, the players aren't in the right position. Stop the nonsense! Where else would number 8 play?he's a Jr, has play nothing but QB all his life, where does he go? The difference I see, those kids from last year wanted to win, they worked in the weight room, they were hungry for success.  Does anyone see that in this team? has their bodies changed from the start of the season until now? The last couple of years we saw the team get strong as they went on through the season. Most of these kids have seen what it takes to be a state champion. A program doesn't change over night. Kids come and go. You can coach your tail off but if you don't have the kids that want to work and have the mentality to play the game of football, your team isn't going to be very good.

I've seen him play QB.  3 times this year, as a matter of fact, and several times last season.  He's an athletic kid, but not a QB.  If you watched any 2nd half games or JV games last year, you knew then, that he's not a QB.  My point is, you don't leave healthy athletic kids on the sideline.  Find a place for him.  I've watched a coach of two on that staff turn kids from a backup at one position into a starter at another.  Kid has to want it too.

21 minutes ago, PercyPeabody said:

This argument gets old. The coaches KNOW the strengths. ONE MAJOR strength not utilized last Friday was SPEED. Tullahoma was SO MUCH faster than LC. Run your sweeps, screens with a trips set, and counters. Put the ball in the hands of the playmakers. Why do we not run more misdirection and play action? Play action is way more effective under center, but that's for another discussion. They just continue to gameplan like they had last year's team. Knowing what to do and refusing to do it is on them. You'll probably think I'm bragging but I think my critique is credible. I played and coached on the high school level with several region titles, and I have a ring to my credit just like Coach Olive. I try to get on here and actually give my reasoning behind what I see from the stands instead of just blasting things on here just to let out frustrations. I try to create banter because I like to see what other's opinions are. The ones that just yell that we need a new quarterback or whatever without an explanation are ignored by me as well. 

I do agree with you on the support of the Tullahoma community. I've been to games this year. I've seen the stadium half full. That's on other folks. Not on me. I've not once said anything about the quarterback. You need to reply to the person that posted it. As far as the excuse of not having a good team despite coaching "tails off", no one in their right mind expected a state title run. THIS team should have won 6 games easily due to decent talent returning and terrible competition in the region. They should have been a playoff team with a first round exit at worst. There is still an outside shot of getting in and exceeding expectations which I hope they do. 

Also the silly point that actually weakens your argument is the kids don't look stronger as the year goes on due to not being interested or working hard in the weight room. THAT'S COACHING. You make the players workout in the weight room in front of you. A coach should be at the 3 major stations making sure reps are put in. If this isn't the case, it's just laziness. I hope the team rises to the occasion and finishes strong. 

I'll stop my critiquing for the year and turn it over to some on here that are apparently more knowledgable than me. I wanted to see what all the hype was about this Franklin kid for Cornersville High so I'm going out to see how he fairs against Moore County. 

Good observation and analysis.  Well said.

On 10/15/2022 at 10:20 AM, Cakeman said:

Tullahoma has played two very weak teams the week before.  They Change QBs against weak teams to make a kid look good.  They needed a running QB last night to beat LC.  Coaching is all over the place.  QBs need help.   Very poorly coached team.  you can Blame it on being young or whatever but that is a cop out. 6weeks in and no improvement but beating up on winless teams.    They had lots of time to play last year between Friday nights and Mondays.  They are just not coached very well.  No Leadership and No respect from players.  

LC was pretty weak and the QB for tullahoma struggled.  Several drops but several times overthrowing a receiver and never running the football.  If u don't have a drop back offense you need a running QB.  But If you just use ur running game u could have slowed the game down and won this game easily.  You have all week to prepare for a weak opponent and that is what you produce.  Hard to believe you can be that poor after 4 really successful seasons.  Good thing is u can make the season look respectful with a 4-6 record beating a horrible Glencliff team.  I guess the teams u end up beating will have 1-2 wins on the year total.  

Some strong and valid comments.  I believe youth and inexperience, from a coaching standpoint, are more visible offensively because of the loss of talent that could cover up coaching mistakes.  Of the 3 aspects of the game, Tullahoma's weakness is definitely the offense.  

I look for Ttown to be geared up and ready for this one.  Kids have had a week off from being in the classroom, so the only focus should've been on beating Montgomery Central.  After last week's changing at the offensive helm, maybe we can consistently muster up a little more offense.  

40 minutes ago, Ttown58 said:

 

They really need improvement out of the quarterback, he has a good arm, and is mobile. But he has made  bad decisions at critical times.

repeated bad decisions come from the lack of coaching, taking coaching, or he's simply out of position.  Either way, it's the position coach/coordinator/HC to make the change or correct the problem.   Watching the offense has been atrocious.  I'm sure this is a humbling experience for those involved, particularly those coaches that weren't around when the team was 0 and whatever a few years ago.  I would guess that coaching was rather easy, or easier the last few years, and now it's time to start coaching again.  

55 minutes ago, MountRushmore1 said:

I think it is funny how people keep saying they lost everyone.  Every year teams lose players.  When last years bunch were Freshman and Sophomores they lost a lot in front of them.  Then they went undefeated two years in a row during the regular season.  This years group played a lot vs. the kids they are playing each Friday this year.  They played 1/2 a game in most situations.  Maybe the Coaches haven't coached them up.  Resting on the last 3 years with really smart athletic kids.  This group needs to be coached.  You can tell the QB isn't getting much coaching.  Lots of athletic kids on the team but the best is not being brought out in them.  No head coaching experience on the staff but you can tell that by the turmoil.

Sometimes, as is the case now, kids just aren't as good as the previous class.  Last year, Tullahoma was bringing 20# sledge hammers to the demo parties, this year they're bringing 12 oz craft hammers.....a huge difference.  It does appear that the QB's lack a basic understanding of the position.   It may be coaching, or simply he's just out of position. 

I've been in T-town's stands 3 times this season, and my observation is this;

Nowhere near the talent on the field this season as last year, or the 2 seasons before then.  It's painfully obvious that the offense is NON dimensional right now.  Play calling is suspect.  Athletes appear to be out of position.  Defense is back to giving up crucial downs.  Kicking game is weak.

Sometimes programs are full of good kids, just not athletic, or athletic enough to compete.  I keep hearing, and I witnessed it last season, about how much playing time these kids got, and it's true, I watched them play much of the second half all year, and I'm assuming most, if not all, played JV games too.  I believe that experience should have contributed to a more competitive team this year, but it hasn't.   I can't imagine that the coaching has changed that much from last year, so maybe it's just as simple as these guys aren't as good as last year's guys.  No parent wants to hear that their kid is not as good as the kid that was in that same position the previous season, but it's a reality.  It's what's going on right now.   I'm guessing these guys have had the same coaching as last year's group, so what gives?  

1 hour ago, TTownFan50 said:

It is interesting that both 4A championship game participants are 1-3 to start this year.  The Chattanooga jinx 

I’m wondering how it is you’re on coacht when you should be coaching a football game.  Kickers, isn’t it?

16 hours ago, southernmidtn said:

I know that is what your hoping, you're entitled to your opinion. The season is young, and know one has jumped ship. I don't know where, if parents are disappointed they would send their kids, maybe Oakland.   I have followed Tullahoma for a long time, we have always been up and down, some years the talent is there, some yearsit  is not, that's football. Moore County, Franklin County, Coffee, County, and Shelbyville, the same thing, they have good and bad years as well.

It's funny, where we all the critics of Tullahoma last year?  Total silence.

Agree with all except Shelbyville, and FC.  There's never a reason why Shelbyville should ever be down.  Have you seen the kids over there?  Those on and off the field?  More talent than the surrounding areas with the exception of Lewisburg, and yet they fail to compete.  FC should have more successful seasons than not, and they too have failed to utilize the athletes they do have.  Tullahoma, and for the most part, Coffee Co. and Moore Co. do a good job with athletes that they do have, which are typically quite a bit fewer than Shelbyville and FC.

4 hours ago, wornoutwildcat said:

John olive was an outside candidate? Please elaborate on why this worked then but wouldn’t work now 

From what I know, there’s a perfect candidate on the staff already, so why go elsewhere?  I’m not sure about the others, but the one I know is more than qualified, he just proved it to the entire state. 

An outside candidate is not a good option.