sonofshadow

Not sure even Shadow can do that.

Never doubt the "power" of my DAD

the shadow knows!!

The Burros have their "new" coach!!

I said that because Coach Spears and Coach Pigue are some of the best friends I have had in coaching and in life. I also think they are as well coached as any team in metro. I agree that in a few years, if not now, East Lit. will be one of the premier programs in metro.

Uh-oh, RTB..................you may have awakened the "sleeping shadow". You may be in line for derogatory mail.

Coach Spears and Coach Pigue are some of the best friends............too little too late (LOL)

sos

NO NO NO!!! I did not mess with the bunny lady!!!!

That would be the first lady that you did not mess with!! /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />

/roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" /> Yeah, but confess to eating them myself. Now school is started, part of my 1st paycheck will buy the FATMAN a bucket of wings. WC really looked good, and if the FM will munch on and on and let redhead, and fat head do thier thing, the Murfreesboro trip is possible. I hear Fat MO's stock is rising since WC is looking likke a title contender. /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" /> /hungry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hungry:" border="0" alt="hungry.gif" />

I believe you did eat that bucket and probably a few more to boot. "LIL" in LILAL maybe a oxymoron..............I'm told that you've gotten a bit "porky" yourself (*note be carefull; if you hear banjo music).

How did your Wave look; I got to think; they will be better than last year??

sos

Welcome home to Sumner Co. FATMAN. I might bring you some chicken wings and say hello to you. /hungry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hungry:" border="0" alt="hungry.gif" /> /roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" />

Did you carry him the chicken wings?? /hungry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hungry:" border="0" alt="hungry.gif" />

The most important question is the over- under number of pounds of catfish the FATMAN will eat while in Paris Tn. /hungry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":hungry:" border="0" alt="hungry.gif" /> /roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" />

Upon his departure, Paris, TN will more than likely be declared a federal disaster area. It might be very difficult in the months to come to locate a pig, chicken, or fish in Paris or surrounding counties. The man is the perfect-eating machine (think Jaws!!). What is even scarier is that the rest of the staff can also ravage all foodstocks.

"Boy Wonder" and SpringTime certainly possess the "expert" ranking and capabilities.

And for the ultimate survival of any and all Parisians..................please, please declare a military type curfew and close any and all buffet type restaurants.....................NO OPEN FOOD LINES!

Rebels 8-Knights 0

8 TD's or 8 Pts..............?

Did anyone score?

Did the Patriots have an actual 11 vs 11 scrimmage with Spring Hill or was it one those "work-days"?

So when Elrod isnt roaming the sidelines at WC, they basically forget how to play football? You can coach em up till your blue in the face, but if the kids dont go out there and execute it doesnt matter how good you are. As good as their offense is/was, their defense deserves just as much credit for the success they had last season. A team with just a great offense is the playoffs is destined to fall short, but if you can score a decent amount of points and have a rock solid defense, more often than not that can lead to a gold ball.

Elrod is way too old to roam any sideline anymore; He would get lost. I understand that Aric is getting him a new rocking chair, support hose, and has also thrown in an extra case of "DEPENDS". Pre-Game meals must include "soft" food.

From 'RUMORS' I am hearing the seat is already heating up. While having a winning season is good enough at Metro, it is NOT good enough at R'dale. There are some big money boosters at R'dale that are NOT happy right now, and I will add that I am NOT one of the big money boosters. Been getting credit for it I hear but it is NOT me this time.

 

I like Coach A and especially what he is doing to help the kids get noticed by colleges. I am so-so on the wing T. Only problem I do have with it is the fact we are not throwing enough to keep defenses honest and folks are loading the box with 11 at times against us. I also 'think' we should run the score up more so some younger players actually get some playing time before they have to go in at crunch time.

 

I also WOULD bring back 'running the snake' if the team messes up and lets teams score against us. That is why so many teams did NOT score against us in the past. Misery and sweat is a good motivator for the team to do well.

Let me get this straight................the secret to the very good Riverdale defenses was a drill called the "Snake". So this means if a team; any team does the "Snake"............so if even Cumberland County incorporates the "Snake" then the other teams in Region 3-5A will be unable to score. Please give me that drill!!

Also, I know you really like Coach A, but he would really appreciate you not running over him with that bus you are driving................especially when you put it in reverse; it doubles up on the tracks on his back.

i think that WC is the closest wing t that could compete for state but they havent done it yet and they have had the athletes to do it /roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" />

Look all i know is that in the past we have had less talent not only make it to state but win state /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> then what we have had for the past 2 years.

Exactly what "herb" are you on????

Here is another way to look at this question.

I think some teams run it JUST to hopefully be competitive; I really think the offense gives lesser talented teams a chance to compete...............there can only be one gold ball for one 5A team; it will generally go to one of 4-5 teams that simply have the best players and sometimes a bit of LUCK or good break!

From last year, 2 teams come to mind about just being competitive because of the offense.

One is Coffee County. I really think Bill Price did a great job of keeping Coffee Co. competitive and "I think" that the Wing offense was the primary reason..............he has had zero speed since he has been there, but they have competed............win a gold ball. NO CHANCE!! but they showed up and made you work!!

Second is Wilson Central. they were picked dead last in a very tough Region 4-5A, but somehow were very competitive. Were they just very lucky or did their offense help them some?? I thought they competed quite nicely and might have won several other regions ( had they had a different membership).

The Riverdale teams for the last (2) years are getting a bad rap for not winning a "gold ball" and the offense is getting all the blame..........how many skill kids have they had in the last 2 years that have signed in college?

I think A and his staff have done a great job

The last Rankin Riverdale team (3 years ago) also did not win a "gold ball" with easily the best team in the state........LOD! Is the offensive scheme to blame? No, it is not. See my above statement on "gold balls". I really think that Ravenwood and the first Smyrna "gold ball" benefited from the "perfect storm" and they sailed right into a championship. Were they the best teams those 2 years; probably not, BUT they got those championships...........and I congratulate them!

IMO only

I think it will be up to the new coach as to who gets to stay or go. Some of them may want to leave themselves or be offered other opportunities. I am hearing Coach Ferg has another option to pursue in coaching. I agree with what you said about Moose. His defenses have been the bright spots in some low moments. I would think anyone coming in would appreciate his experience and work ethic, but who really knows?? Coach Hannah has done well in his adjustment to varisty and did a great job as freshman head coach. The freshman hc is also from WC. I don't know his name but the team did very well this yr. If the new guy is a wingt man, I would say he keeps the guy. The other freshman coaches were old OHS players who are in college and were volunteering ....Coach Luter and Coach Griz. Both are fantastic fellows with tons of enthusiasm. The kids responded well to them. As for the other varisty coaches, they are all young, hard-working, and enthusiastic and may already be pursuing other avenues. I heard Coach Linnell is coaching baseball, and that Coach Cowan may be looking at some asst principal spots. Some may have applied at Eagleville. Your guess is as good as mine.

 

thtruth....rumors say Coach Brown applied. What do you know about this rumor?

this is all conjecture on my part............NOTHING based on any facts!!

first...............Brown; I would say that has xeroxed his resume to all and any job that is open. I will be surprised if he is at Lebanon next season.

second.............Crawford has probably already been offered the job and might have already agreed to take it

third..............if Crawford goes to Oakland; then Lavergne may have an open head slot, because Hester will try to go HOME to Brentwood.

this is purely conjecture............absolutely no facts other than the spec about Brown.

sos

On a different note....................

At the latest "rezoning" meeting THAT group of "concerned citizens" is bemoaning the fact thet the Metro school system has become segregrated again and wants to takes steps to continue to insure "diversity" is addressed in the next "zoning lunacy" that is implemented.

NEWS FLASH TO THAT GROUP OF "CONCERNED CITIZENS

Metro Schools are now 57 % Black, 35% White, and the rest..............thus the only way to continue more of this diversity lunacy is to BUS whites from the private schools or BUS whites from adjoining counties. *note I do not think you will ever be able to find a liberal-enough judge to pull that one off!

The landmark "busing experiment" did completely wrecked a perfectly good school system along with some great

neighborhood schools (both white and black). The "concerned citizens" of that previous time were so blinded by historic wrongs (and rightly so) that the "baby was thrown out with the bath water".

I wish we had had a "reverse hindsight telescope" at the time, but we did not, BUT what we do have is the fact that the old "diversity" plan failed miserably, now get over and try something that makes sense!

FACT: It is very difficult to force Americans to do things that they do not want to do; but some liberal-minded folks JUST KNOW that they are smarter than the un-washed masses (as they live in their gated communities and send their children to prestigious private schools), but they are the type folks we keep electing! (hmmm...........maybe they are smarter!! /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" )

Coach Roger Perry of the Mt. Juliet Bears should definately get coach of the year. Just look at what he has brung a football team in which a few years ago didn't even make the playoffs. he brung MJ from losers to winners.

Uhoh............another man-crush /flower.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":flower:" border="0" alt="flower.gif" /> He would have a great shot, if he would smile every now and then. Much too serious! Does he wear too-tight underwear? (LOL).

What about his neighborhood rival Aric at Wilson Central; MJ was picked to win a 4A region (with 5A enrollment) and probably will (*note .....good move by Perry to take advantage of TSSAA 20% rule) where WC was "dead-man walking" in Region 4-5A. Both coachers have done a great job, just a little conjecture in my part.

the shadow do!

And The coaching.. Well that as well goes to Coach A.. why else would WC coaches have come in the summer to learn from him he if he was not the Best at this type of offense.?? Riverdale has a great GROUP of coaches & they will have the entire team prepared!!

Go WARRIORS!!

Say what!.................Riverdale does have a very good group of coaches. I can assure you even though they run somewhat similar offenses; there were no visits by WC coaches or vice-versa. Do some of you just make this stuff up.............now the MJ coaches did visit with Riverdale at some point. Maybe you were confused with the letters of the alphabet.

Actually, before this season begin................WC was "chuckle-bait" as to whether they would even win a game.

Best at this type of offense..............would be Herschel Moore (he is the expert). WC's present offensive guy Wes Elrod worked with Coach Moore at CU (and brought the offense to WC the first time for the previous coach). I am sured that Coach Adeylott and his offensive cohort Terry Hemontoler (another very good coach) have talked to that old geezer from time to time..........fact is they are all very good friends and share stuff all the time.............and will try their darndest to beat each to death (LOL).

Hope this gets the facts straight..............I know that many of you are certain that this type offense is very stupid to run because all are convinced that if you do not do what the colleges and pros do then you are brain challenged.............I wil not even try to debate this with any of you. Waste of time...........I guess they will just keep on running the "Metro" Jr-Pro stuff...............do one thing............ ask the Region 4-5A DC's how they like getting ready for this stuff in 4 days (LOL).

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When Wc opened they took 800 students from MJ and dropped there enrollment down to like 1200. When the reclassfication took place MJ's enrollment was at the 4a level. Since then there has been 2 or 3 subdivisions buit in their zone also providence place was built in the WC zone. Wc was overcrowded and they sent a few students to MJ also. MJ will be at 5a at the next reclassfication. Its not like MJ is scared of playing 5a teams, this year the play Wc leabanon, and galatin.

a question and a comment to the hunter of fowls!

Question: Did Elmer Fudd ever go after Daffy?

Comment: I do not think MJ is scared either, I think it was very smart to take advantage of the 20% loophole and stay at 4A.

Here kitty, kitty!!

Its a small world. I see Chris almost everyday. Saw E. Felts at Vandy a few weeks back. Runtheball calls every now and then and I think he's pretty excited about his new gig. I talk to Anderson every now and then too. So we used to run around the gym together, that would definately narrow it down.

 

Anyone know the scrimmages for Smyrna and Riverdale?

Where is runtheball? is he coaching again?

Yeah, I knew Cleveland was 4A when they were so dominant. I didn't realize anyone had called them 2A on here though?

 

Just proves that folk can win championships with wingt. Hopefully Oakland, Riverdale, or Wilson Central will prove it can be done in 5A in the 2000's. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />

Thats was my bad; I knew they were always in the class right under the largest class. When there were only 3 classes; they were a 2 A powerhouse and when the 5 classes was established in the early 90's; they were a 4A powerhouse and they were old-school Delaware style Wing-T that their coach basically imported from GA. They were very dominant and could have played with anyone.

Also, 2P.............you stated that DC won state in 88 running Wing-T. Sorry as much as I wish that was correct; DC did not run the Wing. Now, they were a "grind you up" power football team, but it was not the Wing. Pearson, to my knowledge never ran the Wing.

sos

dont get me wrong we can still win 8-10 games a year with the wing T heck when i played we won 8-10 games a year and we didnt have the good coaches we have now(although we have an entire new staff right now and i dont know how good they are i do like the ones i know so far) i just dont think we can win STATE with a wing t...

also that MT juliet team we had them beat on an interception we returned for the TD but we was flagged for Pass interfrence (of course i think it was a buul crap call LOL)

I agree with a lot of what cat says its not a bad offense if you lack athletes and talents we have plenty of both we even have separate lineman for both sides of the ball (most of the time ) so we dont need to run misdirection we need to run right athem rather it be up the middle or off tackle we will have probably one of the best OL in a LONG time at RIVERDALE this year and we are not going to be using our strength which would be power again i REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG AND WE WIN STATE BUT if it isnt smyrna that stays discipline to beat us then the semi final team can.

ALSO Clevaland was in 4A when they won their state championships and the year smyrna had them on the ropes one player didnt stay at home on the what we called (when i played) the 26 counter play

I also agree that oakland will improve running a wing T offense because the one they have been running frankly hasnt been that good they have had some talent but for some reason they havent done much with it /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> What does this mean?

I also dont know many RIVERDALE fans that was upset when the wing t went away but i will take your word for it

GO WARRIORS

I said "no mas", but I can see the dog chasing its tail on this one............................but here is what I have a problem with. You say that it is OK to run Wing-T it if you are not very good because it will give you a chance; but if you have good players you need to run something else..............is this what you are saying? Then you say that Oakland has had some talent, but has not done very good running the Pro-I stuff, so they should run Wing-T, but if they have the players why wouldn't the Rankin offense be the ticket. Could it be the talent really was not that good or if Rankin had had them they would have been 10-0. What is it?

When they had the older Thomas, they could have run the "hokie-pokie" and won big time......................actually Riverdale has "allowed" 2 lesser teams to win state titles the last 2 years. Rankin's offense had a bad night vs Oak Ridge......Aydellot's offense had a bad night vs Smyrna. If it happens during the regular season...it is a loss; if it happens during the playoffs........go home!

But again "NO MAS" on the wing-T; ya'll got me!! /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

sos

you need to tell adeylott because he keeps calling it the wing t

2nd game riverdale vs smyrna at riverdale the main stat besides the final score was this

 

7 points and none after the 1st qtr 3 qtrs without a score in a playoff game at riverdale - it is just my opinion but you will never make me believe any past riverdale team running a pro style riverdale offense would be shut out for 3 qtrs, as a matter of fact that is usually where riverdale pours it on.

 

once again everyone has their opinions and obviously I think Riverdale with the talent they have would be better running a more balanced offense.

OK, you have convinced me...............he is running the wing-t! He has no chance of winning. All teams running this type offense are doomed to mediocrity. I surrender /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

everybody always uses Hillsboro as their stick for measuring the wing t. There are lots of reasons Hillsboro has had success winning games that have been discussed in other forums ( most openly they are an open zone school playing in a terrible region)

 

So lets ask it another way

 

The number of 5a teams winning a state chamionship running the wing t = 0

 

The number 5a teams making the state chamionship game = 1 (hendersonville)

 

Does anybody know other than Hillsboro how many other wing t teams have won state chamionships? I think Clevland won a couple in the mid 90's

 

As I said I do understand why Oakland is running it but I also think teams are going to see how well Riverdale ran the ball and think "wow we should do that"

Once again I understand why some teams have to run it but I don't understand why teams that don't have to would choose that offense?

Good points...............when Cleveland won it about 3 times in 2A; they could have also won 3A, but you probably will not agree on that. Funny thing, Smyrna had one of those Cleveland teams on the ropes at Smryna and let it get away. There wing-t was wicked BECAUSE they had great players (that will help whatever you run)

Lets start again..............for both you and that tormented Riverdaleman. RIVERDALE WAS AN OPTION TEAM LAST YEAR from a double-wing look. Should they have thrown more.......probably! but if they can get 500 yards rushing on you, they shall not throw over 5 times.

Other points............. Hillsboro's open zone................yep!! What about the Rankin zone!! (LOL)

Coach Rankin has done a great job and is an excellent coach, but his offense is quite simple. At Smith Co., he was was good to a point, until he ran into better athletes.......he got it handed to him. He became a very pragmatic person; coach better athletes!!

How do think his offense would look with average players? Look at Siegel & Franklin Co. thats what they run....both of them.

Last wing team to beat Riverdale - Mt Juliet (in fact, it was their last region regular season loss)...........other fact OC on the MJ team is presently coaching at Riverdale............Hemontoler!

In past 5 years, Smyrna has had a couple teams that could have won it all; along with about 6-8 other teams each year. Material-wise, I think they have had a couple of stronger squads. I think that they made themselves better last year because they ran the ball more and were more patient in their offense.

You make good points!

sos

It was remarkable riverdale was able to run the ball so effectively without a passing game but in my opinion it was due to 2 things

 

1.outstanding line

 

2.scott thomas

they still have #1 but will miss number 2

 

As I said everyone has their opinions and I just am not a wing t fan for reasons I noted.

 

and if riverdale is not raising a championship trophy at the end of the year I imagine I will have some that will agree with me /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Got some bad news for you Cat...................Riverdale did NOT run the Wing-T last season! They were actually a dbl-wing option team. Think Navy and Air Force, old Ga Southern(who by the way do not have quite as good material as the N Dames and Tennessee's of the football world) offense. Those service academies run it so they might have a chance at winning............if memory serves me correct AF scared the the "Big Orange" a tad.

Cat, congrats to Smyrna on winning the state..............a play was made when it needed to be made and the stars were aligned just right! Both times you played Riverdale, your offense did not crack 200 yds where Riverdale had over 500 yds rushing the first game and 300 offense the playoff game. Point is that their offense is actually pretty good and probably will be again this year...............*note QB's do not rush for a bunch of yds in a true wing-T offense.............Thomas had 167 first game and 150 the second game-------they be an option team. If you really want to classify what they do, I would say they are much closer to being an old-fashioned WISHBONE team, but definitely not Wing-T. Sorry!

for the record............Coffee Co. is a Wing-t team.

I know for some reason many of you are convinced that you cannot win with that old-timey offense, but there are some pretty good teams in Georgia and Florida that do very well in the offense.

Another news flash...........there is a college team south of us that is running an even older offense called the Single-Wing (shades of Gen Neyland and Johnny Majors) and this year it will probably even be stronger with that big ole Tailback they have ................Teebo. Urban Meyer is getting closer to it all the time..............that league he came from has the most innovative offenses in college.............Boise State (from his old league) beat a fair team with one of the oldest plays in football "The Statue of Liberty".

I actually think most college football is boring because most try to imitate the pro game...........if you seen one game you have pretty well seen them all..........I really like high school ball simply because of all the different and diverse flavors. I definitely respect your opinion, I just do not agree with it. What ever offense you run..............in a tough game; you better be able to run that thing off tackle.

sos