BayouBear

I was asked by several folks last night to provide the following Bradley information. Here it is......

First state place winner - 1982 - Ron Johnson - 4th

First State Champion - 1984 - Steve Logsdon

First Tournament OW Award - Heath Eslinger - 1995

First State Duals Championship - 1994

First State Traditional Championship - 1998

State Duals Championships - 12

State Traditional Championships - 10 (thru today)

Total Outstanding Wrestler Awards - 7

All time placewinners (1982 thru 2010) - 144

State Champions - 50

Runner Ups - 28

Total 3rds - 25

Total 4ths - 18

Total 5ths - 9

Total 6ths - 14

Oh, okay... that explains the "dull scissors" comment. You and Liddy may have more on common than decent political views huh? Maybe, ahhhh...1974? Remember what indicates a weak position or cause in any discussion... Be Positive!

Som - I liked you better when you were on the meds.

Further proof of the "Dumbing Down" of society.

Everybody gets a medal...and then we hug.

There was some dicussion with Chuck but a deal couldn't be worked out. He wanted to bring Cheryl Tieg in as Cheerleader Coach.

Although, Tim Tebow has been signed to long term deal in the event the NFL doesn't work out. He will be in charge of pre and post match speeches. His title will be Assistant Coach and Recruiting Coordinator.

You guys don't know anything. Here's the rumored coaching staff;

 

Steve Logston - Head Coach - Instruction, Motivation

Cliff Ramos - Associate Head Coach - Scheduling and Fund Raising

Eric Phillips - Associate Head Coach - Instruction

Hank Raines - Assistant Coach - 103, 112, 119

Ben Smith - Assistant Coach - 125, 130, 135, 140

Josh Boskin - Assistant Coach - 145, 152, 160, 171

Brandon Forrester - Assistant Coach - 189, 215, 285

 

 

I thought I was offered a position on this staff!

Touche`.

I'm Blackberry challenged

You guys don't know anything. Here's the rumored coaching staff;

Steve Logston - Head Coach - Instruction, Motivation

Cliff Ramos - Associate Head Coach - Scheduling and Fund Raising

Eric Phillips - Associate Head Coach - Instruction

Hank Raines - Assistant Coach - 103, 112, 119

Ben Smith - Assistant Coach - 125, 130, 135,

Josh Boskin - Assistant Coach - 145, 152, 160, 171

Brandon Forrester - Assistant Coach - 189, 215, 285

The rumor going round is Cleveland HS and Bradley Central will be combined into one large school beginning next year.

Here's the potential wrestling lineup for next year:

103 - A. Oliver (CL) - 2010 St. Runner Up

112 - J. Crutcher BC) - 2010 St Runner Up

119 - E. Hames (BC) - 2010 St Champ

125 - T. Pitts (BC) - 2009 St Champ

130 - M. Lopez (CL) - 2010 St Champ

135 - T. Schuch (BC) - 2010 6th

140 - A Lopez (CL) - 2010 5th

145 - B. Colbaugh (BC) - 2010 3rd

152 - I. Nichols (CL) - 2010 6th

160 - TBD

171 - J. Bailey (BC)

189 - J. Jones (CL)

215 - T. Bolton (BC) - 2010 St Runner Up

285 - P. Benson (BC) - 2010 5th

..... I'd love to see the traditional at the Sommet Center if we can get the Predators to cooperate datewise.

Mats on ice....nice. That would be really cool.

......and I thought the Saints winning the Super Bowl was a sure sign of an impending world apocalypse. Now this. A completely readable, understandable and intelligent post by Sommers. we should all start hoarding food and guns.

Soms - The jury is still out on you but you are correct, the Seymour coach should be and needs to be recognized for his decision.

For all those that missed it......Kennedy was wrestling Seymour's 189. Mike picked him up and slammed him. It WAS NOT an illegal slam IMO, but it was a hard slam. The ref dropped to the mat and began to count backpoints. The ref recognized the wrestler was hurt and stopped the match for injury time. He then signaled the slam was illegal. I repeat, he didn't call the slam illegal when it happened but only after the match was stopped. The Seymour wrestler couldn't continue which be rule means Kennedy is DQ'd. At the point when injury time expires the coach has the option to forfeit the match instead. He did this and has earned my respect forever.

The ref, on the other hand.............

Whine, whine, whine.

 

Here's a news flash. Starting a program is hard! It takes work. Why don't we just give out 10 state championship trophys? Now we have good PR for 10 schools!!!!

 

People, please don't shoot from the hip. Let's look at the FACTS, not your assumptions.

 

True, participation in GA has gone up more than TN. True, they have multiple state champs. But why would any logically person automatically ASSUME that is why participation has increased?!

 

Georgia's population has increased 26% over the last 15 years! TN population 16%. The same is true of Florida (24% population growth).

 

Do you know when TN had the greatest number of participants? 1994.

 

What this boils down to is this. "Let's give all the kids a smiley face so they can feel good about themselves"

 

Do you know how many state champions there were then? ONE!

I'm too tired to dig up the numbers but I have them. Tennessee wrestling is growing slower than the adjoining states with multiple divisions even when those statistics are adusted for population growth/new school construction.

There's too many people in this state who feel the most important issue is finding out who has the biggest and baddest dog. They care more about how it used to be, egos and pointing out the problems rather than finding a path which leads to growth and prosperity.

Everyone should probably start adjusting to the thought of a Small School Division. It's going to happen. It may be a few years but it's gonna happen. There is too many folks in favor of it and I am one of them.

Yep. Thanks. Corrected

Here's my picks. I couldn't do what Bray did and just pick the favorites. Plenty of Darkhorses in my list.

For the Tiebreaker -

Bradley sets a new record with 301 points.

MOW - Cambell Lewis pins his way through a fairly tough bracket

Best Match - 103 Climer wins close decision 22-21

103

1. Climer (Bradley)

2. Langford (Walker Valley)

3. Brunner (Tullahoma)

4. Oliver (Cleveland)

5. Eustice (Soddy)

6. Gonzales (Ross)

112

1. Thomas (Brentwood)

2. Crutcher (Bradley)

3. Maxwell (Karns)

4. Bates (Mt. J)

5. Kermick (Germ)

6. Martin (Red Bank)

119

1. Hames (Bradley)

2. Boone (Notre Dame)

3. Hamilton (Cleveland)

4. Hall (Seymour)

5. Harvey (Ooltewah)

6. Bennett (Franklin)

125

1. Lewis (Soddy)

2. Shepherd (Dickson Co)

3. King (Cordova)

4. Compton (Franklin)

5. Pitts (Bradley)

6. Feuerbacher (Blackman)

130

1. Lopez (Cleveland)

2. Seaman (Mt. Juliet)

3. Schuch (Bradley)

4. Gamble (Soddy)

5. Heithcock (Indy)

6. Woods (Franklin)

135

1. Herron (Bradley)

2. Penson (Cordova)

3. Jordan (Clarksville)

4. Lopez (Cleveland)

5. Carter (Rhea)

6. Molina (Heritage)

140

1. Colbaugh (Bradley)

2. Smith (Soddy)

3. Birdwell (Cookeville)

4. Herold (Morristown West)

5. Neil (Blackman)

6. Cosey (Hixson)

145

1. Miller (Greenback)

2. Cox (Indy)

3. Isbell (Clarksville)

4. Aguilar (Bradley)

5. Stull (Science Hill)

6. Holland (Pigeon Forge)

152

1. Aguilar (Bradley)

2. Lilley (Collierville)

3. Newberg (Indy)

4. Shrader (Franklin)

5. Edafe (East Lit)

6. Roberts (Beech)

160

1. Biggs (Mt. Juliet)

2. Henry (Cookeville)

3. Manning (Ooltewah)

4. Jones (Cleveland)

5. Bailey (Bradley)

6. Alemany (Hixson)

171

1. Proctor (Cookeville)

2. Davis (Pigeon Forge)

3. Roderick (Bradley)

4. Mathieson (Hixson)

5. Talley (Dickson Co)

6. Tambellini (Indy)

189

1. Kennedy (Blackman)

2. Toon (Ooltewah)

3. Salada (Cookeville)

4. Latimore (Lebanon)

5. Norwood (Cleveland)

6. Hood (Bradley)

215

1. Croy (Brentwood)

2. Bolton (Bradley)

3. Simpson (Walker Valley)

4. Carlson (Jeff Co)

5. Jaeckel (Hendersonville)

6. Wells (Blackman)

285

1. Allen (Mt. Juliet)

2. Bain (Warren Co)

3. Dailey (Greenback)

4. Kuntzman (Collierville)

5. Benson (Bradley)

6. Barnette (Science Hill)

Hmmmmm. It's a good question but a hard question to answer.

Let's look at the criteria Nainten suggested;

# HS Programs - Georgia has 5 classes. It certainly encourages participation but does not necessarily insure quality.

# Nationally ranked HS Programs - Certainly no offense to Collins Hill or Brandon, FL but national rankings of a few teams can't be a measuring stick. Example... Brandon and Collins Hill are ranked higher than any team in Iowa. In fact, there are no Iowa teams ranked in the Top 25. Does that make Florida and Georgia better than Iowa?

# Division I wrestlers - This is the measurement I use mostly because it's easy to get the data....but it really isn't a good one. Tennessee has 6-7 million people and Florida has nearly 20 million. They should be putting more into Division I wrestling programs.

# Division I and DII All Americans - Another decent measurement but not really because it is more a measurement of the Great wrestlers a state produces and not of the general quality of wrestling across the state.

# NCAA Qualifiers - See above

# Nationally Ranked HS Wrestlers - See above

The BBBL (BayouBear Bottom line) is this ---- The quality of wrestling in a state is reflected by the quality of the top "tier" of teams and the best and only measurement I ever came up with was to visualize matches between the Top 5 or 10 teams of one state versus the top 5 or 10 teams from another state. For example; take Baylor, Bradley, Christian Brothers, Cleveland and Father Ryan and put them up against Collins Hill, Pope, Camden County, Loganville and Gilmer (just a guess RMC). 1's versus 1's, 2's versus 2's and so on. This would give you a quick and fairly accurate indication of the quality of each state.

Where would Tennessee stand versus all other Southern states using this method? I think at or near the top in most years.

jcddmoon - I'm very aware the youth program is thriving and I too am hopeful of a bright future for Tennessee wrestling.

What we really need is more college wrestling in Tennessee and the other southern states. One of the big reasons why some states are better than others is the number of college programs in those states. Those programs graduate wrestlers every year and many go into coaching. The high school coaching spots fill up with ex-college wrestlers and then it filters down into the middle schools and the clubs.

Does anyone else ever wonder if hrdcrwrestler, Sommers and Rigger were seperated at birth?

.....Only because you must be friend of Bayou Bear , I'm going to let you in on a place....... the biggest one of us, who is always testing out his feminine side, .........

Buck...couple of things.

Yes, Dabears is a friend and I think he's trying to get in touch with his femine side too.

BUT, I need to remind everyone ...... IT'S A WRESTLING TOURNAMENT!!!!! Drive all night, sleep in the car, wake up freezin', watch wrestling all day and night, sleep in closest place with a vacancy, eat crappy free motel breakfast, watch wrestling all day and night, drive all night getting home. THAT's WRESTLING...Real Man Style.

You guys are carrying on like a bunch of soccer moms. It won't be long before someone is going to ask for the best place to buy juice boxes and snacks.

Thanks BB, looks like a great regional.

BayouBear agrees.....20+ medalists and 6 State Champs (maybe 7 or 8) coming out of this region

Why all of the arguing? What happened to the day's when one coach would tell all of the other coaches to "place my kid where you want in the bracket" he will win the tournament no matter where he is placed. People are getting much too soft!!!

cbg - It still happens. BUT then all the other coaches argue to get their kid on the other side of the bracket.

Thread Cliff Notes (Through Page 8) - Updated for Buck.

In Jock - Calls out the Bradley Nation

ghouse - Points out serious flaws in In Jock's post

In Jock - Ignores minor details of truth

tnlonghorn - Defends BC and gives Baylor a hug

DaisyMay - Takes a shot - Calls out In Jock

In Jock - Sprawls

DaisyMay - Completes the takedown

In Jock - Whines but can't escape

RebelsRebelsRebels - Franklin ain't afraid

smwwrest - They should be

maj - Says In Jock is drunk

OldGregg - Says In Jock is ridiculously drunk

2blLeg - Who cares?

BayouBear - Stomps mudhole in In Jock

tnlonghorn - hugs BayouBear

BayouBear - hugs tnlonghorn

GrecoMan - Huh?

RebelsRebelsRebels - Calls out all DII schools

2blLeg - Say what?

RebelsRebelsRebels - Calls out all DII schools again!

facenthecrowd - Back atcha Rebels

RebelsRebelsRebels - Reminds everyone Franklin is a public School

2blLeg - Say what?

RebelsRebelsRebels - Answers question with a question

facenthecrowd - Because Rebels said so!

2blLeg - Nothing but angels at CBHS

Wrestlersdad - Eating popcorn

matback - QUIT COMPLAINING!

broughtonfan02 - Everybody is recruiting…toss small grenade at BC

RebelsRebelsRebels - smidge of crawfishing

2blLeg - I Want The Truth!

TheBrave300 - Calls out every DI school

maj - Says TheBrave300 is mentally afflicted

StevenMcK - agrees

facenthecrowd - Says Rebels is mentally afflicted

rigger101 - Another worthless Rigger post

RebelsRebelsRebels - going to bed

broughtonfan02 - In Jock…Just shut up

2blLeg - Makes perfectly clear, In Jock is a Ryan guy

broughtonfan02 - Everybody should recruit

Sommers - Makes post while high on something…Again.

csemary - Wants to know what Sommers is high on.

StarRaider - Dale Gribble makes surprise appearance

facenthecrowd - Calls Rebel crazy

facenthecrowd - Go away Rigger

texas23 - says Sommers is mentally afflicted

StarRaider - agrees

BuckLateral - Really agrees

RebelsRebelsRebels - beats a dead horse

broughtonfan02 - a few licks on the dead horse

PRTiii - Making sure horse is really dead

Part Deaux

broughtonfan02 - says he's crazy and likes dead horses

Sommers - Still high

facenthecrowd - Hug for BayouBear

Findthetruth - Stupidly asks, "Does this thread matter?"

rigger101 - Another worthless Rigger post

lasrever - Recites the DII mantra - "It's need based financial aid!!!!"

gonavy2 - BA wrestlers are barely out of diapers

In Jock - Shazaaam

RebelsRebelsRebels - Hugs for In Jock

StarRaider - Looking forward to Hockey season

In Jock - Someone stole CoachT password and makes nice post

findthetruth - Tells In Jock to "Go ask the Bears".

In Jock - Admits he can't read

findthetruth - Tells In Jock to "Go ask the Bears"….again

In Jock - says….Sure. He'll get right on it.

Slingshot - CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE!!!!!

BayouBear - Offers olive branch

KneeTap - Mental Pic----Fat guy in a thong ----Yikes!!!

BuckLateral - O.U.R. - Official Update Request

BayouBear - Request Granted

 

Bayou, if you have access to a computer in that N'Awlins jail and can get this, once you can lay your hands on a schedule for next year's Bradley matches,please forward it to my attention via this board. I want to see if I should use those two free seats you put up at next year's Bradley- Cleveland AAA duals final or exercise my option to use them during the regular season. Over on another topic,you said that while EBE and TBSFBAG are out of the question, the door is not closed for this year's D-II dual champions to be Fodder Ryan for your hungry Bears next season. If that happens,that is when I will want those two tickets.

 

Congrats on the double dip this weekend, BB. Since you have been spoiled with championships by the Bears, I've gotta ask--------as a long-suffering Saints fan, was the championship last night the sweeter of the two? Be truthful now----and don't take the easy road by saying your blood runs black and gold, since that is both team colors

----- Guru Buck -----

Greetings from the Crescent City.

You are the man. The East Lit victory in the first round was like a broadside torpedo. I didn't have a chance. So you know I'm a man of my word, you can attend any or all BC matches next year on me (prior notification necessary). On a potential FR-BC match....let's wait and see if 'In Hoc' can work his magic.

Winning Championships never gets old. Sweeter of the two? I have to go with the Saints. Been waiting my entire life for that one.

Well good for you, but they haven't answered my questions so obviously your questions were SO GOOD Why won't they wrestle any good D-II teams, especially THE EVIL RED EMPIRE (Baylor) why EXCUSES

I'm going to try civility one last time. Here are the facts you need to know.

We have NEVER refused to wrestle ALL DII schools. We ceased wrestling McCallie after the split and have no plans to resume. We wrestled Baylor every year and they attended our tournament through the 2001 season but we have no immediate plans to resume wrestling Baylor.

As far as the other DII schools are concerned...We used to wrestle CBHS at the Cleveland Duals most every year. We've wrestled Father Ryan a few times over the years when our paths have crossed. We wrestled Notre Dame in duals many times and they attended our tournament every year while they were in DII.

If you'd like to see BC wrestle Baylor or McCallie, it's not going to happen. However, if you'd like to see Father Ryan or MBA or CBHS wrestle BC, why don't you try and make it happen, since it seems to be so important to you. It hard to work out duals between teams from different areas of the state because of the travel involved but as motivated as you seem, you may be able to work it out.

One last thought......One of your Purple buddies "outed" your identity to me at the State Duals. Do me a favor.....Ask around and find me at the traditional tournament. There are lots of folks who know me. I'll take the time to explain what I have posted here in greater detail. Know this too....We are not a bunch of Black and Gold monsters with a grand plan. We're just regular people who love wrestling and the very funny thing is.....We are very much like Father Ryan, people love to hate on us and that's OK too.

Whew! 6 pages. This thread needs a summary. Here it is:

In Jock - Calls out the Bradley Nation

ghouse - Points out serious flaws in In Jock's post

In Jock - Ignores minor details of truth

tnlonghorn - Defends BC and gives Baylor a hug

DaisyMay - Takes a shot - Calls out In Jock

In Jock - Sprawls

DaisyMay - Completes the takedown

In Jock - Whines but can't escape

RebelsRebelsRebels - Franklin ain't afraid

smwwrest - They should be

maj - Says In Jock is drunk

OldGregg - Says In Jock is ridiculously drunk

2blLeg - Who cares?

BayouBear - Stomps mudhole in In Jock

tnlonghorn - hugs BayouBear

BayouBear - hugs tnlonghorn

GrecoMan - Huh?

RebelsRebelsRebels - Calls out all DII schools

2blLeg - Say what?

RebelsRebelsRebels - Calls out all DII schools again!

facenthecrowd - Back atcha Rebels

RebelsRebelsRebels - Reminds everyone Franklin is a public School

2blLeg - Say what?

RebelsRebelsRebels - Answers question with a question

facenthecrowd - Because Rebels said so!

2blLeg - Nothing but angels at CBHS

Wrestlersdad - Eating popcorn

matback - QUIT COMPLAINING!

broughtonfan02 - Everybody is recruiting…toss small grenade at BC

RebelsRebelsRebels - smidge of crawfishing

2blLeg - I Want The Truth!

TheBrave300 - Calls out every DI school

maj - Says TheBrave300 is mentally afflicted

StevenMcK - agrees

facenthecrowd - Says Rebels is mentally afflicted

rigger101 - Another worthless Rigger post

RebelsRebelsRebels - going to bed

broughtonfan02 - In Jock…Just shut up

2blLeg - Makes perfectly clear, In Jock is a Ryan guy

broughtonfan02 - Everybody should recruit

Sommers - Makes post while high on something…Again.

csemary - Wants to know what Sommers is high on.

StarRaider - Dale Gribble makes surprise appearance

facenthecrowd - Calls Rebel crazy

facenthecrowd - Go away Rigger

texas23 - says Sommers is mentally afflicted

StarRaider - agrees

BuckLateral - Really agrees

RebelsRebelsRebels - beats a dead horse

broughtonfan02 - a few licks on the dead horse

PRTiii - Making sure horse is really dead

MAN'S DIVISION

Championship Round 1

The Bradley School

Ravenwood

Science Hill

Mt Juliet

Cleveland

Franklin

Collierville

Clarksville

Championship Round 2

The Bradley School

Science Hill

Cleveland

Clarksville

Championship Semi

The Bradley School

Cleveland

1st-The Bradley School

2nd-Cleveland

3rd-Clarksville

4t-Science Hill

MAN'S JUNIOR DIVISION

Championship Round 1

Hixson

Chattanooga Central

Montgomery Central

Pigeon Forge

Championship Semi

Hixson

Pigeon Forge

1st-Hixson

2nd-Pigeon Forge

3rd-Greenback

4th-East Literature Magnet

JV DIVISION

Championship Round 1

Father Ryan

McCallie

Christian Bros

Baylor

Championship Semi

Father Ryan

Christian Bros

1st-Christian Bros

2nd-Father Ryan

3rd-Baylor

4th-MCCallie

Geez. Here you go using facts again. Haven't I proved time and again, facts will destroy a good thread.

All the victories run together. It must have been 2007. I was presented a trophy by the Chattanooga branch of the Bearcat Brown Fan Club.

Buck - I'm still waiting on you. To make it interesting, if you win I'll save you 2 seats in the Bradley Section during the finals (if BC makes it). I'll also contact the BCB fan club and try to arrange a trophy presentation. I also received a 21 day cruise and the use of a Cadillac for a year. I'll see if those are available to you but, they probably gave those to me because it was me.

I'll post my complete picks on the other thread.

Good Luck (you'll need it)

BB

I only subscribe to the weekend edition of the Times-Free Press so I had to have someone else check the obits and I'm told there was no mention of Bearcat Brown. Therefore, we can only assume he was kidnapped and sold into slavery overseas. This time next week he could possibly be the headline act in a Mongolian desert comedy club performing dog tricks for some Khan. He might have been fortunate enough to be taken to a Cambodian martial arts jungle training center to master the "Come Get Some" style of mixed martial arts.

It's also very possible he was buried in a Hixson backyard (by an irate homeowner catching him peeking in his daughters window) and reincarnated as Nick Gulas.

Regardless, we should have a period of mourning. About 15 seconds should be long enough.

Buck - Since you and I seem to be the most knowledge about wrestling (based on your 2009 Guru title and my 2008 Guru title), it is only fitting we honor the dearly departed Bearcat Brown by going head to head in the 2010 BCB Memorial "Come Get Some" Guru Showdown.

Here's my picks;

Man's Division (As BCB called it)

1) The Bradley School

2) Cleveland

3) Clarksville

4) Science Hill

Man's Junior Division

1) Hixson

2) Pigeon Forge

3) Greenback

4) Chattanooga Central

JV Division

1) CBHS

2) Fadder Ryan

3) The Baylor School

4) McCallie