SKEWBY

Congrats to LA on a great season, People thought they did not deserve to be there with the 5 losses, so way to prove them wrong, as I said before the winner from this region is gonna be in the Boro and most likely bring it home every year, I knew DL would not win, there schedule was not nearly as tough as LA's. Special congrats to my old friend Bruce Lamb for winning a championship. IMHO Mr. Cates was the MVP I seen on Saturday.

I can tell you are one that does not watch Loudon play each week. my guess is you make your comments based on what you read in the papers or on here. Loudon is no Alcoa nor have they claimed to be at anytime. by your statement that Loudon is just not that good seems to put Alcoa on a lower level because in my opinion Loudon is the second best team you have played this year, the 1st is Maryville and that game you all lost. I know you did not have BW but from what I here you have 11 great ones and a bunch of other good ones. I wish the Redskins the best of luck tonite. and if they win luck will play a part in it....

 

50% tallent + 50% Heart + 10% luck = A team we are proud of

 

GO REDSKINS

I think Loudon does have a good football team, I have heard people say that if not for Alcoa then Loudon would win the state, well i dont know about that, Huntington is a very good football team that gave Alcoa all they wanted last year in the finals and both their studs are back, as far as Loudon being the second best team Aloca has faced this year, well I'll take Fulton and McCallie. Loudon cannot beat either of those teams.

I was at the game Friday night and it was a good ball game. But IMHO the best team lost, now I'm not a Catholic or a Fulton fan but I think the only team that has beat Catholic physically all year was Fulton both times they played, I thought Fulton beat themselves and at the same time Coach Pemberton called a great game. Did'nt understand the defense Fulton played the last 45 seconds but that was not there only mistakes, Fulton lost b/c they beat themselves, dont get me wrong Catholic has a great team and #22 is a D-1 player, but if they played 5 times Fulton wins 3, of course this means nothing b/c Catholic was the best team on Friday, good luck Irish against L.A do not take them lightly.

I was at the game Friday night and it was a good ball game. But IMHO the best team lost, now I'm not a Catholic or a Fulton fan but I think the only team that has beat Catholic physically all year was Fulton both times they played, I thought Fulton beat themselves and at the same time Coach Pemberton called a great game. Did'nt understand the defense Fulton played the last 45 seconds but that was not there only mistakes, Fulton lost b/c they beat themselves, dont get me wrong Catholic has a great team and #22 is a D-1 player, but if they played 5 times Fulton wins 3, of course this means nothing b/c Catholic was the best team on Friday, good luck Irish against L.A do not take them lightly.

I was at the game Friday night and it was a good ball game. But IMHO the best team lost, now I'm not a Catholic or a Fulton fan but I think the only team that has beat Catholic physically all year was Fulton both times they played, I thought Fulton beat themselves and at the same time Coach Pemberton called a great game. Did'nt understand the defense Fulton played the last 45 seconds but that was not there only mistakes, Fulton lost b/c they beat themselves, dont get me wrong Catholic has a great team and #22 is a D-1 player, but if they played 5 times Fulton wins 3, of course this means nothing b/c Catholic was the best team on Friday, good luck Irish against L.A do not take them lightly.

Dang, Scooby Dooby Doo, are you wanting to meet behind the ol' woodshed so you can give me one of those whippings you were talking about earlier? You're right, Kingston has won a state title- 32 years ago. As far as their little run back in the late eighties- too bad they couldn't finish one of those years off with at least an appearance in the title game. King may be one of the winningest coaches in Roane County, but in the state...come on. Surely those mountains you're surrounded by don't have you that blind.

But anyway, since I'm just "wanting to be a WANNA BE" I'll leave you alone now. Obviously anyone that gets that upset talking about a high school game needs a reality check which, coincidently, you will be getting this Friday night. When A-E gets done pulling their foot out of your tail, you guys can start getting ready for your great run next year.

 

P.S.- Someone started a thread about a powder-puff game coming up- maybe you can get on their and convince them how great Kingston football is

Well once again I have to prove you wrong chump, Vic's record in Kingston is

166-67, now i know that's not the best in the state but I would argue that it is top 10 to 15, and as far as Roane County, he is the winningest coach ever, now you still havent mentioned what team you support. But that does not suprise me, as far as me getting upset about a high school game, gimme a break. What gets me upset is when tuba players like you get on here and bad mouth programs for not winning and having losing records, you have bad mouthed Kingston and Scott. The last I checked if you dont like a certain team then fine but dont bad mouth the program especially when the one you support is unknown and when you hide behind a screen: WIMP. With that being said I'll let you get back to that make believe fairy tale land you live in, you know the one where you actually think your a football guy.

 

P.S - I thought I saw a thread about tuba players, maybe you post on there and tell them how good you was.

Now we all know why your screen name is Skewby----because your perception of reality is just that- skewed. I'll try to make this as simple as possible so that you can keep up.

1) You WERE making excuses for your football program- I believe you cited a tough region and school size for their "disappointing" seasons

2) I have yet to "bash" Kingston. I have only stated that their football team is not deserving of this "respect" that you and others have spoken about due to the fact that they have never been contenders in the State ranks. (Fact, not opinion)

3)No one has taken "a whipping down there" in Kingston- I think that is the main point of this portion of the thread

4) Football is a GAME. In a game, the scoreboard does indicate a winner and a loser. You are trying to attribute the value of the kids, school, community, etc. with the school's football program. No one is associating a kid's "character" or "worth" with football except for you. We are talking about football- nothing else.

 

Now, can you help me decide-- should I change my screen name to "Football Genius" or "tough guy"?

Well since your neither a FOOTBALL GENIUS or a TOUGH GUY just leave your screen name what it is, as far as Kingston never being contenders, they did play for the state title in 98', Kingston has played for a state title 5 times (fact not opinion) you mean you did'nt know that. If you knew anything at all you would know that Vic King is one of the winningest coaches in the state. At one time they had a regular season record of 40-0 from 88 to 91, so be careful what you talk when you dont know what your saying, as far as a tough region, what region does your team play in. Again I say Kingston has been down for a while, but as far as being state contenders, they have been in the race plenty of times over the years. As and far as my experience goes, the school, community, and character all help build high school FOOTBALL(i thought high school football was associated with character and the community). But you wanting to be a WANNA BE I can understand where your coming from, again it's easy to do this on a computer screen, as far as perception goes, it's kinda like you thinking you know everything about football when in reality you were one of those guys who never played or wishes that he was good in a sport, when the only thing your good at is arguing on CoachT, I mean come on making fun of a nickname. IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THIS AWAY FROM THIS SCREEN JUST LET ME KNOW AND I WILL ACCOMADATE YOU.

First of all Skewby, you might want to read what was posted before you start spouting off. No-one is questioning the character of these kids. The only thing that was being discussed was that Texas started talking about the fact that Kingston deserved respect and I stated that Kingston (and Scott) did not earn any respect based on their records (and I clarified that by stating that I was referring to their records over the past several seasons). Are we all up to speed now? Good- let's proceed.

You can make all the excuses in the world for why Kingston has struggled over the years but the cold hard fact is that you have to win to earn respect. Bottom line. Again, no one is questioning the character of your players-you all may have the greatest kids in the world- they may all graduate and become doctors and save the world and that's great. But this is a FOOTBALL discussion forum and the words respect and Kingston FOOTBALL do not belong in the same sentence.

As far as the question about Fulton and records vs. playoffs- the answer is simple. Playoff spots are based on region records, not overall. So a team that wins the important region games gets in. Until TSSAA does something about scheduling, you will always have teams with losing records in the playoffs. The fact still remains- Kingston can't even do that so let's stop trying to call them something they aren't.

First of all Cleveland I did read your post before I spouted off tough guy, and you said winners make the playoffs and that was the question I asked you about. Now as far as me making excuses gimme a break, I said Kingston has been down the last few years, nobody is disputing that, they are not a very good football team right now, kinda like some other teams I know, I know this is a Football forum but you dont have to bash Kingston, but I understand that is easy to do on a computer screen, I get the feel that something has happend to you in Kingston or you took a few whippings down there, I never said Kingston was winners but again in my opinion if kids play hard and the best of there ability then they are winners but I forgot only the scoreboard indicates that.

Alot of true statements have made about Kingston these past few posts and I am here to point them out to you. Also, to add some of my own.

 

Cleveland- Kingston has a snowballs chance of making the play-offs, less than that if you ask me. They dont deserve any respect except from 2 or three teams. Hardly anyone in 3A.

 

Skewby- If you ask Catholic anything, they wont be concerned with past games. They are the kind of team that doesnt dwell on things like that. All they will tell you about is how bad they're gonna beat yall come tomorrow night.

 

Texas86- Since when are the words class and sportsmanship associated with Kingston? Just wondering..

 

Goose- That is some good stuff. You've done your homework. But if all that were to happen, you better be looking for Jesus to come back. lol. Keep up the good work. Love the show

 

As for me, I dont believe that Kingston will win another game. They wont make the play-offs. Not this year.

Hey Took I'm glad that Catholic dont dwell on things such as getting blasted by Fulton last week, you say they will tell me how bad they are gonna beat Kingston tomorrow night , well maybe they will beat them and maybe they wont, the last time I checked that's why you play the game. Maybe I am old fashioned but a record does not indicate how hard a team plays, when I played we would play scott co. every year and they were never real good but always played us hard and tough and you gotta respect that b/c as soon as you dont you will get beat, if Catholic does not respect Kingston then that's fine, but they better play hard or they will get beat, I know Kingston is not very good and have took some beatings these last few years but you best believe they have also gave some over the years. You talk about sportsmanship and class, well from what I remember about playing ball is the no.1 rule with class and sportsmanship is you dont have to like them but you better respect them.

Might suprise us and do what? Win a game? You and Skeby are on here talking about a teams record not doing justice to itself. First of all, I wasn't talking about the last 4 or 5 games- I'm talking about the last 4 or 5 seasons. And secondly, a teams record is a measure of their worth. Why do you think they keep score in a game? Why do you think that only some teams make the playoffs and others don't? It's because records separate good teams from the ones that are not good. This is a sport- there are winners and losers. The winners will be in the playoffs, and you all, well.....

Your right, this is a sport and their are winners and losers, fortuanately this does not always indicate the character of these young men, the last 4 or 5 years for Kingston has been dissapointing, but that might have something to do with them playing in the toughest region in the state and them being the smallest school in that region, they are only about 40 kids from AA, Loudon has more kids than Kingston, You talk about a teams record is a measure of their worth and that indicates good and bad teams. Does that mean Catholic is better than Fulton? They have a better record so they must be huh. What about teams that are 4-6 or even 3-7 and make the playoffs, by your definition they are losers but they still make the playoffs, explain that one Football Genius.

Should say what about them? Noone has said anything on here except the fact that Kingston and Scott had a snowball's chance of making the playoffs and now that has been proven correct. As far as people respecting Kingston's program- respect has to be earned and Kingston's record does not command any.

Hey Cleveland, the record of a team does not always indicate how good they are or how they play. Look at Fulton's record, 4 weeks ago people were counting them out, and now all of a sudden they destroy the number 1 team in 3A, that nobody thought they would, now I agree that Kingston is not very good, certainly not like the teams of the late 80's or 90's but they still play hard and in my experience any team that plays hard their opponets must respect them b/c as soon as you take someone lightly that's when you get beat, just ask Catholic.

What has happened to the Kingston Yellow Jackets this year? Suppose to be "the year".

 

Excluding coach bashing, what are your thoughts?

One of the things that stick out to me is Kingston dont have the numbers they use to, and everybody knows strength is in numbers, you know 10 to 15 years ago kingston would have 75 to 85 players but right now they only have around 40 to 50, I mean come on, their middle school has 51 and that is only 3 grades. I also think that their enrollment is down, you know they are one of the smallest 3a schools in the state they only have around 700 kids and that is small compared to AE, Fulton, and AC. In my opinion Kingston has to do 1 or 2 things and that is they are gonna have to eventually drop to 2A or get their numbers up, which I dont see the numbers going up anytime soon.

Very true I forgot that Catholic beat them 21-0. LA plays AE tonight and hopefully we can play them a good game.Going on common opponets theory hopefully LA can play close to AE and Catholic should handle AC after they played Kingston to a 7 to 6 game. LA beat Kingston fairly easy.

Catholic does have a good football team and they did beat AE 21-0 but if you remember Catholic really did not move the ball on AE, AE pretty much gave them 2 touchdowns and as for AC, they are a decent football team, not as good as years past. I think Catholic wins 28 to 7. Kingston is like AC they are decent but you cant judge a outcome based on how close one team plays another.

I agree Alcoa does have a great team, but last year in the championship game Huntington gave them all they wanted up until the 4th quarter, Alcoa has all there starters returning but I know HHS has that fast tailback and that big fullback back this year, I think it will be a reapeat of last years championship game with Alcoa coming out on top but they will be challenged.

well the comment made that kingstons line will tear loudons line apart is just a stuipd post...anyone who has seen loudon play knows that there line might be small but there good...look at Lc and polk co they both had big lines and everyone said that they would tear loudon a new one...kingston i havent really seen much on them but from what i have seen they do have good players but when the games going into the 3rd or 4thQ then ive notice that kingston WR and Line both get tired and do sloppy jobs...if kingston had played the second half like they did the first half aginest AC then i believe they would have won...but as for loudon they are a 4thQ team both teams can win this one but i think loudon will win win by 10pts...30pts if kingston cant stop hawkins or limit fritts time in the pocket

Everyone knows that Loudons strength lies with hawkins, they like to run the stretch play with hawkins and let him cut back and find his way, it's kinda like what the colts do with james, they get foot to foot and just zone block and let hawkins line up 8 yards deep and pick a seam and go, if kingston shuts him down then they will win, Loudons strength is not passing, not saying they cant but that is not what they do best. If hawkins is held under a 120 yards then Kingston wins. I keep hearing hawkins this hawkins that, the last time I checked Kingston has a couple of weapons to, loudon will have to shut them down if they want to win.

nice try skewby, your caught!

Uh Oh!!! I have been caught. Dont report me bleachercoach, I'm glad that you think you know who I am, the simple fact that you have been trying to figure it out cracks me up, I wish I had that much time on my hands.

skewby, since you mentioned you had watched film on Loudon, I'm going to assume that you are either a coach or a player. I'd guess a coach. Either way, what does it show the players that get on here and read your post, when one of their own doesn't believe they are going to win? You should be ashamed! With that kind of attitude, I definitely hope your not a player!

Does your blood run blue & orange or not?

 

Loudon by 12. Why? Without bashing Vic, it's because Kingston hasn't shown that they can put 2 wins together. Going with the odds on this one. Kingston won last week, so, based on this years history so far, they'll lose this one. Don't think Loudon has a better team, but do think Vic will find a way to lose the game.

 

Skewby, are you Vic?

First of all dont assume anything bleachercoach. We both know what assumption does, I picked Loudon b/c of the way they have been playing versus the way Kingston has been playing. If Kingston plays well and gets out of the gate fast then they will win, I dont think they will b/c they haven't all year with the exception of the Rockwood game. As far as kids reading these post, I can pick who I want, I am not a fan of kingston or loudon just a guy who likes talking football. Yes I am a coach but not at Kingston or Loudon. I picked Loudon based on how they have been palying not b/c I think they have more talent.

first of all, let me be the first to tell you that loudon does not have only one player who can make plays and beat kingston. out 2nd string running back is better than your first string back. but you probaly dnont know that since you have not seen loudon play this year, and since cambell does not play that much because of hawkins. and dont even try to give me excuses about how small loudons line is this year, see the polk co and lenoir city game. next the thing that i have heard about kingston is that they have only 1 good player in givens, well i dont know if thats true or not but i hope it is because if so loudons defensive backfield is gonna have a field day because they are all fast and athletic. this is a team unlike any other loudon team. instead of being huge and overly powerful they are smaller in the lines bigger in the backfield and alot let me repeat alot faster. kingston get ready far a whippin cause thats what i predict. now dont get me wronge i like and respect kingston but i dont like morons disrespecting the redskins.

I dont think Loudons' second team running back is better than chad johnson, hawkins is a very good back he is shifty and quick but he does not run as hard as johnson. And as far as this team being unlike any other loudon team I hope your talking about here recently b/c those teams in the late 80's are twice as good as this loudon team, I watched the Polk Co. film and the Alcoa film and yes loudon is better this year than they have been in a while but they are beatable and if they underestimate this Kingston team they will be beaten, I'm still picking loudon but they better be on there game, Kingston is not a easy place to win.

This is a great rivalry dating all the way back to those great players who have played in these games such as hawkins (the dad not the current 1), bruce wilkerson, cedric kline, reggie brown, kevin mays, albert foster. I think Loudon is better this year than they have been in a while and that is why they will be tough to beat, this is always a hard fought game. The key for Kingston is to get the ball to their best athlete and let him make plays, which is Justin Givens. I remember when he and hawkins were freshman and they played in a freshman game and it was basically a track meet. Kingston cannot wait until the second half to decide to play ball, if they do it could get ugly. Although I think both teams are equall it's time for Loudon to win one. 21 to 14

SKEWBY, i'm not trying to ruffle your feathers or making a statement that these two kids are in fact the best runnng backs in the state, it was a reply that was posted stating that OS has not faced a caliber running back that matches up to the kid from Kingston, In My Opinion, these two backs are as good as the kid from Kingston, I have not seen him play yet, I may feel different after Friday night. I don't know if either kid could play on the next level, but I also don't know how you know they could'nt. Reply if you want, I think I made myself clear about my reply to the post mentioned aboved, GO CATS!!!!!

B/C I have seen both of these kids play and based on myself playing college ball I dont think they can, at least not at running back, it takes something called speed to play that position especially on the collegiate level, but you probaly dont know anything about that b/c you probaly never played except for on playstation. And as far as ruffling my feathers, this is the internet so gimme a break. GO JACKETS!!!!!

The stats posted have Brandon Davis leading rusher in 1A regional, 612 yards on 82 attempts, Weslley Smith from Scott Co leading 3A regional with 792 yards on 79 attempts, maybe my source is wrong, I really don't know.

Your source is probaly correct. Just because a kid is the leading rusher does not make him the best running back, in that case both of these guys would be D-1 prospects, when in reality neither can play on that level or could they play 1AA ball. If you want to compare stats then these two are as good as anybody, but if you want to compare talent then that's totally different becuase neither can can play on the next level.

My reply was to the comment that OS had not faced a running back of the same caliber as Kingstons, I know the kid from Kingston is good, I was just pointing out that OS had indeed faced a couple of quality running backs, As for the comment about being a top running back in ET, that is reference to there classification, ie.. single A, double AA, triple AAA, etc.. You mentioned one runningback that plays in another classification, OS will not face Spencer, I'll take it for granted that you have never seen either one of the two backs I mentioned or Lynn Haynes from OS even play a down of football this year, I hope this does'nt cause another 3 peat response from you. As, for Dustin Lindsay, he is a Div I football player, we just have'nt had the chance to face him yet.

And if you'll read my original post the comment was one of the best in ET, not THE BEST!!!!!

I did read your post and it said " two of the best in ET if not the entire state". Your right, I have not seen either kid play this year in person but then again I dont watch to much little league football either. I have however saw both on film and IMHO they are both good high school backs as far as 2 of the best in ET, well I'll give it to the davis kid b/c he plays in single A but the kid from SCHS I would have to disagree b/c he's not even in the top 5 in his region.

The runningbacks of Scott Co (leading rusher in ET), and Brandon Davis from Coalfield are two of the best in East Tenn, if not the entire state. Should be a good game, whoever limits the number of turnovers and penaltys should come out on top.

 

I dont think brandon davis is one of the best backs in the state. There are at least 5 backs in East Tenn that are better than either one of these backs; spencer gulmire, dustin lindsay to name a couple. Both these teams are smash mouth offenses but I give the edge to Kingston b/c of speed Kingston 28 OS 14.

The runningbacks of Scott Co (leading rusher in ET), and Brandon Davis from Coalfield are two of the best in East Tenn, if not the entire state. Should be a good game, whoever limits the number of turnovers and penaltys should come out on top.

 

I dont think brandon davis is one of the best backs in the state. There are at least 5 backs in East Tenn that are better than either one of these backs; spencer gulmire, dustin lindsay to name a couple. Both these teams are smash mouth offenses but I give the edge to Kingston b/c of speed Kingston 28 OS 14.

The runningbacks of Scott Co (leading rusher in ET), and Brandon Davis from Coalfield are two of the best in East Tenn, if not the entire state. Should be a good game, whoever limits the number of turnovers and penaltys should come out on top.

 

I dont think brandon davis is one of the best backs in the state. There are at least 5 backs in East Tenn that are better than either one of these backs; spencer gulmire, dustin lindsay to name a couple. Both these teams are smash mouth offenses but I give the edge to Kingston b/c of speed Kingston 28 OS 14.