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haha just like clay, big boy...

attaboy abe stockton... i agree with grizzly rwest, dont stick up for kgp like that... but my point still stands that the football title was in 1991. and kgp, track and field is not the only sport that measures pure athleticism (if one even can)...

"So this has no bearing on the argument other than to say the schools are interested in getting GOOD students. Therefore, the bar is raised in private schools once again . . . and lowered for public schools because you removed a good student from THEIR pool." no no no... you clearly haven't gotten the point. and that's ok -- i think i'm about done with this argument for now. any aid that CPA gives is strictly a ministry of the church which operates the school. the bottom line is that CPA ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT attempt to enroll the best students. this aid that i mentioned had nothing to do with raising the bar and everything to do with showing that the school has made allowances for struggling families.

i was pointing out that for whatever reason, mathman seems to think that the playing ground would be more level if CPA bused in "inner-city blacks." i was trying to say that while Rockwood takes what it has in the town, i suspect that there is not exactly a group of people quite like the inner-city folks he is talking about in nashville. i mean, Rockwood probably doesn't even qualify as a city (no offense or anything... i'm not meaning anything bad by that) -- i just don't know what kind of comparison that was to rural public schools.

your example was not accurate, as i have said, because, at least at CPA, the school's ambition is not to have the "smartest" kids (or the most athletic) all of this i am saying about CPA is not necessarily the norm... but i was drawing a contrast between the DII schools and the DI schools -- they have very different goals, philosophies, and policies.

haha redbirdfan... amazing

i was trying to say that your trend example was good at showing what you were talking about in terms of private school advantage. however it is certainly not accurate to fact -- so when you attacked my argument with it, i decided to point that out. i think you might be surprised at the so-called "non-talent." we have some very talented people in the high school, but the school's mission is to be a ministry of christ presbyterian church, not to win state titles and have the highest average gpa. CPA's athletic record in single A is not stellar. we have built a solid football program, and this year we have a good basketball team (this is our first state tourney). our boys soccer has had some successful seasons and our boys golf did well last year. i don't think you really want to inquire about many other sports unless you want to undermine your argument, though. i want to turn this question around: how many inner-city blacks get bused to Rockwood? i don't really know what you're asking about non-members of the church paying... everybody pays tuition, but non-members pay a little more. lastly, to clear something up... Brentwood Academy is a private DII school... Brentwood high is a public school...

i like this. of course it isn't a flawless argument and it also is directed more at the recruiting question, but it's not like CPA and fra are the only two private schools in nashville (or the most notorious athletically).

"Yes, it is. Now, answer this. Knowing that he has the option to coach at MBA for a decent salary and he doesn't have to teach, do you think Jeff Rutledge would ever coach at a public school where he would have to teach and make not very much money? Again, there are always exceptions to the rule, but what percentage of private schools have good coaches (and why) and what percentage of public schools do (and why)?" ok fatcat... mba is already DII... keep them out of this debate... first of all, their stinkin creed is "gentleman, scholar, athlete"... our coaches at cpa teach classes, as do most coaches as most 1A schools.

haha yeah i could care less... i think talking about a single sport actually is meaningless in the debate but i had to counter the baseball argument

haha

the basketball rivalry has been good recently, but just don't bring up state titles from 13 years ago to prove how good you are.

haha... but region 5A is tough... just look at coacht's strength of schedule rankings.

and for the baseball thing... look back at girl's volleyball in A-AA over the past 5 years... in 5 championship games, it has been 8 public, 2 private... all 5 champs were public

"Look at it this way. Take a random number of 5000 students ANYWHERE out of Tennessee. Select one group of 150 COMPLETELY random students and make a school. Take the remainder and sort them for high grades. Then sort them for economic class. Take 150 out of the top 1000 (only 15%) and make a school. Who would you say has the better chance of being successful in ANY endeavor scholastic or athletic? That's the crux of the argument." ok ... i can't comment on the quantity ... you are basing your trend argument on a random example which you proposed to simulate single A high schools... those were not facts. you also said the 150 students at the private school were selected by grades and other criteria. your trend (which i would have let slide as a decent example of your point if you had not tried to use it to prove my argument illogical) made it sound as though there was one private school which got THE TOP 150 students out of the 5000. if that was the way it worked then your trend would be deadly efficient at ending this argument. however in greater nashville there are probably hundreds of private schools to choose from. some of these, like CPA, do not select their students primarily on academic records and economic class, but on church membership, reasons for wanting to attend a christian school, etc. mba, for example, admits students to become gentlemen, scholars, and athletes. they are the type of school that you provided a stereotype for in your trend example. they are also dII. at CPA, for one, there is a very wide range of intellectual, athletic, and many other types of gifts and talents. no offense to you, but your example is completely wrong when it comes to small schools like CPA whose mottos are not "gentleman, scholar, athlete."

football... in 1991... ok thats old news...

you comin, doubledouble?

i don't disagree that CPA at least has a potential (albeit slight) advantage over many of the 1A public schools. the point i was making is that you cannot quantify that advantage and for that matter you can't even be sure that it actually exists in practice, not just in theory. there is really no way to compare these different types of schools in that manner...

ok first things first... i wasn't really refuting your argument. i said your argument was good and this one about the selection pool is relative. private schools in nashville might have a large selection pool, but does that mean all do? my point is simply that public vs. private is not the only, nor the main, subject of controversy. While we're on this topic, what about magnet schools like hume fogg in nashville? secondly, you're right... you can't compare a single A private school with a large population pool to a single A public school with a large (or small) population pool... this is why i find it particularly interesting that people are so certain that schools like cpa have a decided advantage over their own public school.

alright that's cool... when we move up with the multiplier to play those 500 student schools, i'm not saying we can't compete with them, but i think you have to give at least some of them an advantage over CPA. i guess when you get down to it, you will never have a class where everyone is on perfectly "level ground."

i didn't make that argument originally, and i know that some parents do dream of their kids being star athletes... and xtreme, this is not to refute your (most likely) true statement, but to me it seems dumb to pay to send your kid someplace like CPA for 13 years if your main motive in doing it is that they can succeed in high school athletics. if you want the private school experience that's one thing but paying several thousand dollars a year to send your 8 yr old to p.e. classes at a private school wouldn't make much sense to me. i'm sure it happens though...

it already kind of the way rowdytn described it. i mean, that's what makes it fun --the hope that your team can win the state title-- but there can only be one TRUE state champ. we already have divisions and classes, so if you think about it, it's already watered down. my advice... don't think about it. play to win in your class and have fun.

haha true... wasn't it you that said "single A is where all the heart is"...

ok, xtreme, the advantage is relative to both schools being compared, not just the private school. as i have said, Rockwood (which i know is where you're coming from) may be at a disadvantage to the likes of CPA. but just because CPA has an advantage over a small, rural public school like Rockwood does not mean that they have an advantage over other public schools. i understand all the arguments made about the private school advantages... mathman, for one, says that the kids are, on average, encouraged to do more with their lives (to paraphrase) -- this argument might hold up across population lines. everyone else seems to argue that the private schools can "recruit" students from a large selection pool -- this argument sounds good, but really it is fundamentally weak (for simply arguing public-private). the major difference in (for example) CPA and Rockwood is that Rockwood is who-knows-where in east tennessee with a pop. approx. 5,000 and CPA is in suburban nashville with a much greater population et cetera. now compare CPA to a public school in nashville and your so-called "private school advantage" pretty much goes out the window.

i didn't say you were whining, xtreme (or anybody else on here), but people have been obviously -- that's the reason for the multiplier. CPAs enrollment is listed by tssaa at 269. with the multiplier in effect it would be 484, which, i believe, would be class 2A in football and AA in everything else.