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You also don't see kids at Texas or most any other program in the country with the off field behavioral problems like the ones experienced annually in Knoxville. Mack's career record at UT speeks for itself. He isn't the best coach in CF but I'd take him over Phil anyday.

 

At the All American Game they had him listed 4.4-4.5 which from seeing him play I would say is pretty accurate.

HA! Put Mack Brown in the SEC, see how sterling his record is then. Replace A & M, Nebraska, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State with Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn, and UGA. Yeah, Mack can make winners in the ACC and Big 12, but see how many times he schedules a big-time SEC program to play Texas. You won't, because, as a southerner, he knows exactly what he'll get with an SEC program: equal speed and talent on an almost weekly basis. Sorry, pal, VY was great, but your coach just let him freelance in his offense. He even admitted on ESPN! So if you honestly believe Mack Brown is a better coach than the dean of SEC coaches, then do everyone a favor and stop posting. CoachT doesn't need morons.

Also, Donald will be a sideline-to-sideline terror on the inside.

The past is the past so if nine bowl games mean something then they all do okay folks. ND may be on a 9 game bowl losing skid but they also have 11 wins in bowls that gave them national titles. Does Tennessee have 11 national titles??????

 

Ummmm, the 11 national titles IS the past Big Country, while the nine bowl game losing streak is very much in the here and now. ND lost and lost big to LSU, something many people predicted. UT lost on a fumble in the fourth quarter to a determined Penn St. team that played a mistake-free game. Are you honestly going to point to a loss that same Penn St. team had to your team, when, as I remember QB Anthony Morelli putting it, was "the worst we have played the entire season."? 11 national titles is extremely impressive, but with the majority coming before college football actually became a competitive and parity-driven sport is pretty misleading. Your team has A LOT of work to do, and relying on true freshmen next year should get you killed too, unfortunately with the 2007 schedule that does, in fact, include Duke, as bubblegum pointed out to you, you all will trot into a New Year's Day game 9-3 or 10-2, or something like that, at which point you will perpetuate your bowl ineptitude with a loss to a quality team from a quality conference. Have you ever wondered why ND keeps on losing bowl games, and losing them quite handily? It is because of the regular season schedule. Point to UM and USC. Then look at everybody else. If your team is going to be a 1-A independent and hope to improve as the season progresses, rather than regress as this ND team seemed to do, you need to have a challenging schedule filled with a bunch of good, a couple of great and a couple of cupcake teams. Unfortunately, ND has sided on a bunch of cupcake, a couple of great and one to two good teams a year. I applaud Charlie Weis for the job he has done, but ND will only win a national title when he starts scheduling challenges instead of cakewalks.

You and I haven't disagreed much in the past buddy but here we are not in agreement. ESPN says anytime there's a college football discussion that the SEC is the best college football conference in the country. Not the Big 10. Do you know what the Big Ten's record against the SEC was on New Year's Day?????? Ohio State still hasn't played Florida either

 

Now I too agree that the SEC is the best conference in the country. To send 9 TEAMS (Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, & Alabama) to bowl games is unheard of. NOW HAVING SAID THAT THERE'S NO REASON FOR SEC FANS TO CLOWN OTHER MAJOR CONFERENCES OUT THERE!!!!! The ACC sent 8 TEAMS (Florida State, Miami, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Maryland, & Boston College) to bowl games this year. The Big Ten sent 7 TEAMS (Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Penn State, & Purdue) to bowl games this year.

 

Charles Woodson in 1997 was the most dominating defensive player in the country on the best team in the country while Manning was the best player in the SEC. The thing that cost Manning was the thing that haunts him to this day. He can't win the BIG ONE!!! Look at his results against Florida & Nebraska that year Now look at how Woodson performed against David Boston (Ohio State), Joe Jurevicious (Penn State), & Ryan Leaf (Washington State) that same year

 

It's not who's the best NFL player. It's who plays biggest in college football games and helps his team be successful most. Woodson WITHOUT QUESTION did that

Tell 'em Big Country, you fact-filled wunderkind you. In all unbiased honesty, I think Charles Woodson had a fabulous year and his team was obviously the best in the country, the problem, however, in how the Heisman turned out was that if you take the amount of times you would see Michigan and Woodson plastered all over every national television sportscast and compare it to the amount of times you would see the SEC champion and Orange Bowl bound Peyton Manning-led Vols, it wasn't even close. UM were the media darlings that year, and in an incredibly close race, that can definitely turn the tide. I do think, however, that this argument contains too much gray matter to ever get settled, especially on this message board. As for the SEC being hailed as the best conference but given no respect, give me a break guys. They are given their due just as much, if not more, than any other teams in the country, however, you cannot tell me ND is not given the benefit of the doubt more than any team in the nation. There have been countless times a preseason poll will come out, and reward a 7-5 ND team from the year before with a Top 25 ranking, so it stands to reason that a 10-3 ND team with major losses on Offense will be given a Top 10 ranking when in reality Weis will be relying on a true freshman, albeit a very talented one, at QB, and their defense will still be bad despite the influx of speed added, as it will come in the form of even more true freshman, which begs the question, are they worthy of said ranking? Also, it is ridiculous to go by conference strength based off of bowl games, Big Country, they may be head-to-head, but given a month to heal and gameplan, a lot of times games are much different than they would be during the regular season. The SEC's home field advantage is generally regarded as superior to the more lax fans, say, in the Pac-10. As for some earlier who commented on Weis' staff being far superior to Miles, puhhhhh-leaze. Weis has some great graybeards standing behind him with all the experience in the world, but are you going to tell me Jimbo Fisher doesn't have the talent they do? Anyway, it should be a great game, I believe it is on right now, so I better tune in!

P.S. I agree with your last sentences about who the best NFL player is being irrelevant to the Heisman. My thoughts exactly.

both quality teams, and i am sure both programs have the utmost respect for the other. UT fans feel disrespected bc ND is a very popular draw and, of course, up north, while ND fans feel underappreciated bc it is the opinion of many down south that they couldn't hang in the SEC. You grown men out there will be arguing about this one for days.

Californiastars, you are right on the money. I would be ashamed of a degree from UT. Secondly, the UT campus and football facility can no way compare with Notre Dame. A mere 107,000 to play in front of every Saturday at "UGLY" Neyland Stadium. Hey, there is no way the Vols can compare with ND. And lastly, there is absolutely no tradition at UT. They have always kind of been like a Boston College or Michigan St. when it comes to tradition as well as not putting many players in the NFL. I really can't see how UT could compare to ND in any shape, form, or fashion. Oh, I almost forgot their basketball team and facility is far above UT's as well. No recruits out there should ever make the mistake of choosing UT over ND.

Oh come on, I never said things like that bubblegum. I go to UT, I love the school. And you can't say those sorts of things about BC and MSU. They have done amazing things, such as Doug Flutie's Hail Mary against Miami, and the '66 10-10 tie between ND and MSU which many sports experts rank as the best game of all time. You don't have to be irked, and like you said in an earlier post, you are extremely biased. I just wanted to wish Harrison good luck, that's all. Merry Christmas everyone!

Congratulations Harrison! I can honestly say, even in my extreme bias towards UT, that you made the best decision you possibly could have. As stated earlier, you will get immediate playing time in that Irish secondary that sorely needs a safety opposite Tom Zbikowski. UT has great players at the safety position, as well as a few waiting in the wings, and it would have been extremely difficult not to be redshirted. Also the fact that because of your size, Chavis would love to turn you into one of his patented speed demon linebackers, further delaying the chance to play, you and your family have made a great decision for the future. Those are reasons enough, but having a degree from a university like Notre Dame will look pretty favorable when compared to a degree from Tennessee. I am sure you found even more reasons to go on the visit up there, from the pure beauty of the campus to the traditions at that school that will forever be etched into the consciousness of your average football fan. Good luck in everything you do, and make Knoxville proud!

Also, if UT does start to lose some, watch for how fans treat Bruce if he gets, say, a technical in the second half of a close game. This is definitely going to be one of the more interesting b-ball seasons in recent memory.

Even though this is not a big deal AT ALL, I still believe the ref in the game wasn't going to get shown up by Bruce Pearl, and I don't believe his intention was to get his name known. When Coach Pearl was hired at Tennessee, I for one was pretty worried about how he would be received by Vols fans, after watching how animated he was in interviews. He is the type of coach that would be extremely popular up north at a school like Syracuse or Pitt, or at one of the Florida schools (Steve Spurrier at UF comes to mind), but I honestly believed because of his animated antics on the sidelines UT fans would be turned off, having been accustomed to, FOR YEARS, coaches that are more catatonic than explosive (i.e. Jerry Green, Buzz, and to a lesser extent, Kevin O'Neill, and on the football side, of course, Philip Fulmer). His wins transcended that thought, and I notice at games that fans, especially older ones, are quietly amused by his outbursts, as if it's a case of, "Well, that's Bruce." His appeal to these fans is that these fans, probably living in or around Knoxville for years, and the laid-back Southern scene that comes with it, have never come across a public figure in the area like Bruce Pearl. I am not the oldest guy on this message board to be sure, but I don't know if there has ever been anyone around this program even close to the intensity level Pearl has displayed over this past year plus. So, with that in mind, this ref, thinking along these same lines most likely, was probably a tad intimidated by the thought of this big-time coach coming into his gym. And when said big time coach starts to yell at the ref, the ref and his already wary awareness of Coach Pearl comes to regard it as a personal challenge rather than a normal fan yelling during a normal game, leading to his itchy trigger finger in the case of ejecting him. At least, that's my thoughts on the matter...

I have heard a lot of great things about the Bennett kid. Some of the kids on the team told me he could play for anyone in town, including the Alcoas, Maryvilles, etc., and be a huge impact player. It's too bad he attends CAK and will not receive as much attention as he would at some of the aforementioned programs.

is it true that fulton loses a lot of great players in this class? or do they have some kids who will fill those spots just as well as the previous guys? same goes for catholic. do they have the depth to withstand the loss of hartmann, smith, etc.?

Cali. Can't "man up" on Freeney. Freeny stole one soul each from Lanxter and Sommers @ Alcoa. Gotta mix up the zone. Cover 3 primary with Safety help. Then some cover 2 with 5 mixed in to disguise. Only time you try to cover Freeney man is when he is lined up as a Gunner on punt coverage; which, won't be often:) Browder did line up @ Corner @ Fulton, and I did see him against AE last week. Catholic also palyed 3-4 other Corners against AE last week.

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Thanks for the insight ruse. I bet Pemberton will have something special drawn up for his defense to try and stop Freeney. This game is going to be great! I hope everyone can make it, bc it will definitely be one to remember, regardless of score. It will be the last chance anyone in this area will get to see Harrison Smith or Dennis Rogan play their last high school game. That alone should be reason to go, not to mention the fact these are probably the two best 3A teams in the state. Go IRISH!!

I know with Freeney back it would be a welcome idea to perhaps throw the ball if you're the Falcons coach, but I honestly don't see them throwing it more than maybe three to four times in this game, unless, of course, they are down by more than a score in the fourth. I don't really see Fulton being down by more than one score, or down at all, for that matter, in the fourth quarter, but I do agree that those three to four pass plays all need to go Freeney's way, since the kid could break it on Catholic. Does anyone have any idea who will guard Freeney at the cornerback position. I am thinking they put Harrison deep at safety on Freeney's side of the field, but will Browder be on him? I really have no clue who they would man up on him!

Is it crazy to say the advantage would actually be fultons? Everyone else seems to think it is, but personally i think its better for the falcons. Catholic leads the series 2-1 BUT in the 2 games they won, they relied heavily on the pass. The falcon d always seems to shut down catholics run, and with natour out, I think that gives the falcons the advantage in preventing their run again. The game that Fulton won, Catholic tried to run the ball all night, and accomplished nothing. For catholic to win, they must take advantage of smith's height over the falcons secondary(They need to throw more to win) whereas fulton's running attack hasnt been stopped by catholic completely yet(rogan has 100 yards rushing at least in all 3 games). The rain COULD take away the pass from both teams, giving fulton the advantage. :justwrestle:

I agree with fultonfalcon2006 that it would probably be an adavantage to fulton if the rain took the passing game away. In their regular season meeting, Catholic really took it to Fulton in the passing game. The thing to remember here is that these were short passes to HS that he took the distance. Kind of like an extended handoff. I think Fulton delivers in the running game no matter who they are playing, while KCHS really had trouble in their last game against the Falcons. No matter what the conditions, this game will be a great one and I encourage everyone in the Knoxville area whose team is already out to make the trip to see one of the better matchups with two of the better athletes Knoxville has seen in quite a few years.

IM GOING WITH FULTON IN THIS ONE, AE GAVE CATHOLIC ALL THEY WANTED FRIDAY NIGHT AND DID`NT EVEN START PLAYING TILL THE LAST 5 MINTS. I DON`T THINK EITHER TEAM CAN STOP EACH OTHERS PLAY MAKERS " ROGAN & SMITH: BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENT MAKER WILL BE HAMILTON I THINK HE CAN SHUT THE DIVE PLAY DOWN PLUS GET A GOOD PUSH UP THE MIDDLE WHICH WILL THROW THE TIMMING OFF IN THE DOUBLE WING. FREENEY WILL HELP STOP SMITH IN THE PASSING GAME.

 

FULTON- 37

CATHOLIC -28

No one can score 37 points on Catholic, not even Fulton's great offensive football team. Everyone talks about Harrison Smith or Dennis Rogan being keys to the game, and of course they are, but as mentioned in the post above, Anthony Hamilton will play a huge role and could really limit the effectiveness of Brian Hartmann, who has been running so well lately. Giving it to Hartmann for a gash up the middle may be easier said than done with Hamilton in the thick of things. If Catholic plays inspired football it would be hard to pick against them. But if Dennis Rogan comes out and is given some holes from his O-line it could get ugly in a hurry. With all that is riding on this game, it really is a toss-up. Good luck to both teams Friday and may the better team win!

Goodness - anybody else sense some anger and paranoia issues in that elitist propaganda rant?

I definitely do. What gets into these Catholics? What a nut.

Oh dear God, who cares? If you could even produce the name of the kid it wouldn't matter. I am pretty positive Catholic won't be overlooking a team they beat by only eleven points. You Fulton fans just want KCHS to lose, just like every other fan in Knoxville that isn't a part of the KCHS tradition. I mean, say we beat AE, Turtle will post how Fulton will beat Catholic, and he hopes Fulton wins. Carter people hate us, Webb and CAK despise us, Fulton thinks we're a fluke and we won't amount to anything next year, and AE still believes they are more talented. Bearden and Farragut just don't care until the basketball and soccer seasons start. Any fan of any team that is in a more rural part of the state assumes Catholic is a bunch of rich kids who don't know how to play ball, and any private team thinks of Catholic as a second-rate private school that can't afford all the glamours they can. When will you people realize these boys come to play for Pemberton every night, no matter the opponent? This is the playoffs HolySnap. No one is overlooking anyone. Keep an eye on your team and their second round bye before you start something that definitely won't be decided until Friday night. Then we'll see who's ready.

i don't really know a lot about any of the teams, but as a kchs alum, i can tell you, up until pemberton arrived, basketball was about all we had. catholic has always fielded quality teams over the years, no matter what players they lost from the year before. there are a lot of guys who step up and take control, and if this year is like any of the past 10 or fifteen, there shouldn't be much of a dropoff.

I think this will be a great game, and I am going to go out on a limb and say Catholic by 11, just like last time. I think Anthony Anderson has been left out of the whole argument about Harrison vs. Dennis, but I think he can play ball with anybody. This should be one of, if not the, best game of the playoffs this week.

how far away is the game from ut-k's campus?

It is about 20-25 minutes. Does anyone know what game CSS will put on? Wil it be this one?

What does that have to do with anything?? Nothing, you don't know what your talking about. We had this conversation on another thread so I won't go into detail to inform the ignortant... but we kicked off our starting QB didn't we?? These kids don't have it as easy as most others so yeah they make mistakes but if they didn't get to come back to the football team what would they have?? They would most likely be breaking the law now wouldn't they?? Yeah Fulton might have a problem with losing players and having them come back, but we don't get really cocky, spray paint things on peoples fields ect. now do we?? We just keep our mouth shuts and whoop up on people like you when the time comes.

your kids are cocky. i don't care how hard they have it, they can overcome it. i have seen countless personal friends of mine come from the same conditions to overcome them and be successful people. you cannot use where you come from as an excuse for your behavior. it's ridiculous. there are kids in the richest parts of seqouyah hills who are as bad or worse than the worst kids from fulton. so when someone says something negative about a kid, take into account that he/she may just be a bad kid, plain and simple. you don't see dennis rogan gettting into trouble, and while i don't know the kid, i know he probably realizes he has a future and acts accordingly so as not to jeopardize it. and whether the rest of those fulton football players believe it or not, they have a great opportunity with their team to get noticed by a college coach or even a person in the community who can open doors to worlds of possibilities. they play for one of the best programs in the state, a regular destination for coaches in the area to check out. so next time you defend your kids, use a better argument than "it's because of their surroundings." because fulton kids, just like every other person in this world, have the power of free will, and can make decisions on their own regardless of where they come from.

If Harrison Smith is on the field, Catholic wins state. It's pretty simple. The kid can't do wrong when it comes to performing in pressure-packed situations, and mark my words, you'll be watching him play on sundays one day. Catholic 35

Crockett County 14

I believe somone said smith was gonna knock out any redneck come his way it looked to me that he was the one getting knocked around when the highlanders could get ahold of him Good luck to catholic

and from that score i guess they didn't get a hold of him too often.

I am deeply offended by the term "redneck". I am so dissappointed in you californiastars.

sorry tom, sometimes i get a little carried away. i retract my previous statement with apologies.

Catholic by 35! And old higlander, rich boy Harrison Smith is going to knock the crap out of any redneck coming through his portion of the field. Good luck to both teams!

yeah got to question that logic...