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Division I 1 BRADLEY 2 CLEVELAND 3 EAST RIDGE 4 SODDY 5 CLARKSVILLE 6 FRANKLIN 7 SCIENCE HILL 8 OVERTON 9 FRA 10 RED BANK Division II 1 MCCALLIE 2 MBA 3 FATHER RYAN 4 BAYLOR 5 NOTRE DAME 6 KNOX CATH 7 CBHS 8 BA 9 BGA 10 MUS

Again...let's get the weights right. WT RANK NAME SCHOOL 103 1 W. DUNNING FR RYAN 103 2 RAWN ND 103 3 HOLLAND BA 103 4 HOANG KC 103 5 C. MANSON BAYLOR 103 6 WHITE MCCALLIE 103 7 ALSOBROOK CBHS X 112 1 SIMPSON MBA 112 2 HILLER FR RYAN 112 3 GEISMAR BAYLOR 112 4 ROBINSON CBHS 112 5 ROBERTS MCCALLIE 112 6 MARKWAY KC 112 7 SMITH WEBB 112 8 HINES ND X 119 1 LEEN BAYLOR 119 2 CLEVELAND MCCALLIE 119 3 ODDO FR RYAN 119 4 FRANCIS MBA X 125 1 SILBERMAN MCCALLIE 125 2 T. MANSON BAYLOR 125 3 HAYDUK ND 125 4 MEDLIN FR RYAN 125 5 DADE MBA X 130 1 BLAIR MCCALLIE 130 2 CARSON BAYLOR 130 3 MYERS FR RYAN X 135 1 R. DUNNING FR RYAN 135 2 SMITH MCCALLIE 135 3 DOSTER BAYLOR 135 4 HERRON MBA 135 5 ST. CHARLES ND 135 6 STEGBAUR CBHS 135 7 PALMER BA X 140 1 SCOTT MCCALLIE 140 2 TATE MBA 140 3 KRANSKE ND 140 4 STARK FR RYAN X 145 1 MANLEY MCCALLIE 145 2 N. MARABLE CBHS 145 3 VANCE KC X 152 1 CONNELL MCCALLIE 152 2 MCTORRY BA 152 3 BLOCKLEY BAYLOR 152 4 ABEL CBHS X 160 1 M. MARABLE CBHS 160 2 GARDNER MCCALLIE 160 3 ZIGELSKY BGA 160 4 WELDON FR RYAN 160 5 MEREDITH ND X 171 1 LUTTRELL MBA 171 2 VATT MCCALLIE 171 3 ERICSON KC X 189 1 GOODMAN MBA 189 2 GREENWOOD FR RYAN 189 3 RUDOLPH MCCALLIE X 215 1 THORNHILL MBA 215 2 STRINGER KC 215 3 BUBIS BGA 215 4 NELSON BA 215 5 TYLER MEM CATH 215 6 KISER BAYLOR 215 7 BROCK ND X 275 1 COOPER MBA 275 2 HOOSER MUS 275 3 DUKE ND 275 4 BOYD KC 275 5 HUFSTETLER BAYLOR

Thanks for all the input. WT RANK NAME SCHOOL 103 1 COLEMAN CLEVELAND 103 2 GREENE CHEATAM CO 103 3 PUCKETT GIBBS 103 4 TINSLEY BRADLEY 103 5 ABDULLATIF OVERTON 103 6 MCGREW D BOONE 103 7 RUDAS EAST RIDGE 103 8 ABERCROMBIE FARRAGUT X 112 1 SPEROFF COLLIERVILLE 112 2 IBRAHIM OVERTON 112 3 ORTIZ FRANKLIN 112 4 CLEMENT CLEVELAND 112 5 HEIM FRA 112 6 D. O'NIEL DOB BEN 112 7 FULLER SODDY 112 8 WHITE KIRBY X 119 1 CORDELL BRADLEY 119 2 JAMES SODDY 119 3 JENNINGS CLARKSVILLE 119 4 SEAMAN MT JULIET 119 5 ZEITS SEYMOUR 119 6 T GOODEN RED BANK 119 7 CASPER KARNS 119 8 MILLER CLEVELAND 119 9 AIKEN SCIENCE HILL 119 10 WARFIELD FRANKLIN 119 11 CARR HIXSON X 125 1 J GOODEN RED BANK 125 2 BROWN SODDY 125 3 HOUSTON JEFF CO 125 4 FELIX FRANKLIN 125 5 J. HOOVER EAST RIDGE 125 6 SANDERS FRA 125 7 WEAKLEY CLARKSVILLE 125 8 DIX FARRAGUT X 130 1 BIRD EAST RIDGE 130 2 WEST BRADLEY 130 3 FURMAN RED BANK 130 4 DRINKWINE OVERTON 130 5 BOSKEN SCIENCE HILL 130 6 HALE SMYRNA 130 7 GAINER S. DOYLE 130 8 ABRAMAT D BOONE X 135 1 LANE SODDY 135 2 SANDERS MONT CEN 135 3 BULLARD FRANKLIN 135 4 GESSLER TULLAHOMA 135 5 FEEMSTER KIRBY 135 6 HAYNES CLARKSVILLE 135 7 BAKER BRADLEY 135 8 BREWSTER OVERTON 135 9 SHOLLY SMYRNA X 140 1 CREAGAN BRADLEY 140 2 MORGAN CLEVELAND 140 3 DAVIS FRANKLIN 140 4 CLANEY COLLIERVILLE 140 5 PHILLIPS SODDY 140 6 TY. WRIGHT EAST RIDGE 140 7 VANDAL CLARKSVILLE 140 8 BAGGETT SCIENCE HILL X 145 1 BALL PAGE 145 2 MCKINNEY DOB BEN 145 3 TURNER CLARKSVILLE 145 4 CODY SCIENCE HILL 145 5 TR. WRIGHT EAST RIDGE 145 6 STODDARD UNION CO 145 7 MORROW CLEVELAND 145 8 JENKINS MLK X 152 1 CATLETT BRADLEY 152 2 COCHRAN BRENTWOOD 152 3 JOHNSON ANTIOCH 152 4 LIBERTORE ROSSVIEW 152 5 BENNETT DICKSON CO 152 6 JEFFERS EAST RIDGE 152 7 ORR KIRBY 152 8 HENDRICKS MARYVILLE 152 9 BORNEMAN HOUSTON 152 10 INGLE FRA X 160 1 GIBSON BRADLEY 160 2 JONES CLEVELAND 160 3 MOWER HOUSTON 160 4 GRAHAM EAST RIDGE 160 5 PACK MCGAVOCK 160 6 CAMPBELL SEYMOUR 160 7 MARTIN OVERTON 160 8 DONAHUE CLARKSVILLE X 171 1 WIPPERMAN FRA 171 2 EDMONDS SCIENCE HILL 171 3 BAKER KENWOOD 171 4 CAMPBELL SODDY 171 5 DAVIS BOLTON 171 6 MOORE BRENTWOOD 171 7 SAWYER MORRIS EAST 171 8 HADLEY CLARKSVILLE 171 9 HAMPTON CLEVELAND X 189 1 FREEL KARNS 189 2 DAVIS WESTSIDE 189 3 SCHAY HOUSTON 189 4 COTHERN FAIRVIEW 189 5 ROMBERG MARYVILLE 189 6 OVERBY EAST RIDGE 189 7 HELMSTETTER CLEVELAND 189 8 ST CYR KENWOOD X 215 1 BONHAM CLEVELAND 215 2 TURNER SMYRNA 215 3 PEREIRA FARRAGUT 215 4 EVANS WESTSIDE 215 5 SCHNELL SCIENCE HILL 215 6 SMITH BOLTON 215 7 BAILEY BRADLEY 215 8 MURRAY FRA X 275 1 CROSBY GREENVILLE 275 2 BRUGAL BOLTON 275 3 PENNINGTON CLARKSVILLE 275 4 ANDERSON DOB BEN 275 5 HARDING EAST RIDGE 275 6 REED SULLIVAN EAST 275 7 ROBINSON WESTSIDE 275 8 ENDO BRADLEY

Thanks for all the input. Remember 2 things: (1) Don't take this too seriously and (2)You get what you pay for. KKW - Baker to 171 - Thanks Coach!!! Walkenvol - You are correct. Dress is gone. kjfan - Gordan graduated...we will wait and see on Bennet...Cochran moves to 152...Jenkins was an oversight...We think Pack deserves his ranking. abc222 - We will move J Gooden to 125 for now. Furman wrestled at 30 in NC. If JG moves to 30 where will WF go?...Jennings to 119...Drinkwine at 130 WOW!!! noonesfool - Thanks AnyThing - Don't get so worked up. We are moving James and Brown up...Gessler placed in the state and Bullard didn't. It wasn't our fault. We just call 'em as we see 'em. matrat - the SSSS (Silverbullet Staff Spy Satellite)has been making passes over the Cleveland wrestling Building for a month. Even though it is equipped with the latest technology, it cannot penetrate the Million dollar roof on the Million dollar Building. A member of the SS is a burger flipper at Hardees in Cleveland. He reports thay NJ has been trying to eat his way away from QG (Bradley) but figured out he was eating his way into Campbell w/ Soddy. Conventional wisdom tells us NJ will end up in the spot which gives Cleveland its best chance of beating Bradley. we will leave him at 160 for now. WingIt - Thanks...we are moving james and Brown up...You are probably correct on Miller. he should be ranked...We will stick with Gessler for now, he placed...thanks again. Igo4It - TG moves to 119 and JG moves to 125. Pictures from the SSSS show Bradley is still having wrestle offs. News on 112 will have to wait. Takedown42 - We disagree, this ranking stuff is easy and we think Mr Sherrill gets more complaints than we will ever know. He publishes his E-mail address. Complaints to the SS have to be posted here for all the world to see. Tnmat - You could be right on PH. We will find out soon enough at the McCallie Inv. gitusome - Cothran moves to 189. Keep those card and letters coming. -Silverbullet Staff

Updates coming -The SS (Silverbullet Staff)

Lets get the weights accurate before we get too much who-ha on where kids are ranked. If you see a glaring error like a wrestler ranked behind someone he has beaten...let us know. The Ranking Committee will adjust accordingly. WT RANK NAME SCHOOL 103 1 COLEMAN CLEVELAND 103 2 GREENE CHEATAM CO 103 3 PUCKETT GIBBS 103 4 TINSLEY BRADLEY 103 6 ABDULLATIF OVERTON 103 7 MCGREW D BOONE 103 8 RUDAS EAST RIDGE 103 9 ABERCROMBIE FARRAGUT 112 1 JAMES SODDY 112 2 T GOODEN RED BANK 112 3 SPEROFF COLLIERVILLE 112 4 IBRAHIM OVERTON 112 5 ORTIZ FRANKLIN 112 6 CLEMENT CLEVELAND 112 7 HEIM FRA 112 8 D. O'NIEL DOB BEN 119 1 CORDELL BRADLEY 119 2 BROWN SODDY 119 3 J GOODEN RED BANK 119 4 WARFIELD FRANKLIN 119 5 SEAMAN MT JULIET 119 6 ZEITS SEYMOUR 119 7 CASPER KARNS 119 8 CARR HIXSON 125 1 JENNINGS CLARKSVILLE 125 2 HOUSTON JEFF CO 125 3 DRINKWINE OVERTON 125 4 FELIX FRANKLIN 125 5 AIKEN SCIENCE HILL 125 6 J. HOOVER EAST RIDGE 125 7 SANDERS FRA 130 1 BIRD EAST RIDGE 130 2 WEST BRADLEY 130 3 FURMAN RED BANK 130 4 BOSKEN SCIENCE HILL 130 5 SHOLLY SMYRNA 130 6 BREWSTER OVERTON 135 1 LANE SODDY 135 2 SANDERS MONT CEN 135 3 FEEMSTER KIRBY 135 4 GESSLER TULLAHOMA 135 5 HAYNES CLARKSVILLE 135 6 BAKER BRADLEY 135 7 ABRAMAT D BOONE 135 8 BULLARD FRANKLIN 140 1 CREAGAN BRADLEY 140 2 DRESS OOLTEWAH 140 3 DAVIS FRANKLIN 140 4 MORGAN CLEVELAND 140 5 CLANEY COLLIERVILLE 140 6 CODY SCIENCE HILL 140 7 PHILLIPS SODDY 140 8 TY. WRIGHT EAST RIDGE 145 1 MCKINNEY DOB BEN 145 2 COCHRAN BRENTWOOD 145 3 BALL PAGE 145 4 TURNER CLARKSVILLE 145 5 BENNETT DICKSON CO 145 6 TR. WRIGHT EAST RIDGE 145 7 STODDARD UNION CO 145 8 MORROW CLEVELAND 152 1 CATLETT BRADLEY 152 2 JOHNSON ANTIOCH 152 3 JEFFERS EAST RIDGE 152 4 LIBERTORE ROSSVIEW 152 5 ORR KIRBY 152 6 INGLE FRA 152 7 HENDRICKS MARYVILLE 152 8 BORNEMAN HOUSTON 160 1 GIBSON BRADLEY 160 2 JONES CLEVELAND 160 3 EDMONDS SCIENCE HILL 160 4 BAKER KENWOOD 160 5 MOWER HOUSTON 160 6 GRAHAM EAST RIDGE 160 7 PACK MCGAVOCK 160 8 CAMPBELL SEYMOUR 171 1 WIPPERMAN FRA 171 2 CAMPBELL SODDY 171 3 COTHERN FAIRVIEW 171 4 DAVIS BOLTON 171 5 MOORE BRENTWOOD 171 6 SAWYER MORRIS EAST 171 7 HADLEY CLARKSVILLE 171 8 HAMPTON CLEVELAND 189 1 FREEL KARNS 189 2 DAVIS WESTSIDE 189 3 GORDON WHITES CREEK 189 4 SCHAY HOUSTON 189 5 ROMBERG MARYVILLE 189 6 OVERBY EAST RIDGE 189 7 HELMSTETTER CLEVELAND 215 1 BONHAM CLEVELAND 215 2 TURNER SMYRNA 215 3 PEREIRA FARRAGUT 215 4 EVANS WESTSIDE 215 5 SCHNELL SCIENCE HILL 215 6 SMITH BOLTON 215 7 MURRAY FRA 215 8 HARSHBARGER DOB BEN 275 1 CROSBY GREENVILLE 275 2 BRUGAL BOLTON 275 3 PENNINGTON CLARKSVILLE 275 4 ANDERSON DOB BEN 275 5 HARDING EAST RIDGE 275 6 REED SULLIVAN EAST 275 7 ROBINSON WESTSIDE [Edited by Silverbullet on 11-18-02 1:23P]

Here they are. Who agrees? 1. CHATTANOOGA MCCALLIE (14-5, II) 2. CLEVELAND BRADLEY CENTRAL (20-1 last season, Division I 3. CLEVELAND (19-7, I) 4. CHATTANOOGA BAYLOR (25-1, II). 5. NASHVILLE FATHER RYAN (15-6, II) 6. CLARKSVILLE (30-4, I) [Edited by Silverbullet on 11-15-02 3:53P]

Walkenvol ole buddy, it is not PROPOSED, it is done. Here are the actual vote results. 2002 Regional Meetings Legislative Proposals Change Article I, Section 2 of the TSSAA Bylaws to state: Effective with the 2005-06 classification period, all public schools shall play in Division I and all non-public schools shall play in Division II. For Against West 49 29 East 71 24 Middle 85 28 Total 205 81 Change Article II, Section 1 of the TSSAA Bylaws to allow home schooled students to participate in athletics at the public school in whose zone or attendance area they reside. For Against West 1 77 East 10 85 Middle 10 103 Total 21 265 Change Article II, Section 10 (Independent-Game Participation) of the TSSAA Bylaws to allow students to participate in independent games in soccer while participating on the TSSAA soccer team. This would treat soccer in the same manner as golf, tennis, and bowling. For Against West 11 67 East 13 82 Middle 23 89 Total 47 238

Ref, That is utter nonsense.

Patriot- Are you sure the Roane Tournament will be the State Championship? There was some discussion of moving it to the following week at Cumberland. [Edited by Silverbullet on 11-4-02 3:33P]

The Bradley Invitational is Dec 20 and 21. Call Turner Jackson at Bradley Central High School(423)476-0645. This is the last list of teams I have seen. There may be more: Bradley, Cleveland, Chatt. Central, Notre Dame, Halls, Maryville, Wm. Blount, Seymour, South Doyle, Hendersonville, Houston, Huntsville, Dalton, Hoover, Hewitt-Trussville, Dobyns-Bennett, Elizabethton, Science Hill, Collierville, Franklin, Brentwood, Ringgold.

-Wrestler4Life You said you are a coach. Where do you coach? Also, where did you wrestle in college and what was your record. I'm trying to get a feel for how good Blackmon was when he was a Junior. Thanks,

Fom what I understand...Coach Logsdon was fired up about wrestling McCallie this year and was willing to schedule 2 matches(home and away). Because he is very busy he often gets another coach to help him with scheduling. This year he asked Jeff Lester (Tullahoma) to help him and for some reason McCallie didn't make it. Hummm...Go figure. Well, maybe next year.

Can someone explain to me why there are 3 seperate wrestling organizations in Tennessee? Wouldn't it be smart to have all kids wrestling together? Does anyone have any insite into this?

Sundancer- The most courteous response I have for your post is that you and most of those involved with the Tennessee Wrestling Federation are Out Of Touch with the interests of wrestlers, coaches and parents in Tennessee. That is the exact reason why the TWF has never and will never receive widespread support. Your post said....... It is my understanding that TSSAA does not want the athletes continuing folkstyle post state tournament, thus USA promotes freestyle to comply with rulings. Freestyle & Greco is the olympic style of wrestling and typically seen at the college level. They simply build from the foundation of folkstyle to move the athlete into freestyle & greco. Are you the hired Spin Doctor of the TWF? Show me where I can find any information that the TSSAA does not want athletes continuing to wrestle Folkstyle. That is silly. Why would the TSSAA take a stand against one style in favor of another? That's like telling Track athletes that if they compete in post-season events, they have to run backwards or telling golfers that anyone who is right handed can play but it has to be left handed. I can assure you...there may be someone in the ranks of the TSSAA that does not favor post-season participation but that's as far as it will ever go. If they venture into wrestling that also opens the questions about summer track, baseball, basketball, swimming and golf. The only people who ever bring this up are the Freestyle people. About the rest of your post...you are way off base on Team Georgia also. (More TWF/Freestyle spin doctoring) You are right and wrong about Team Georgia. They DO have a great organization and are miles ahead of Tennessee. However, you are TOTALLY WRONG in saying they "move kids" into Free and Greco. TG is basically a Folkstyle organization. Sure, there are some kids who compete in Freestyle and Greco, but the bulk of the kids do not, have not and will not "move" in to Free and Greco. If the TWF is ever going to take off in Tennessee as TG has done in Georgia, then the focus will have to be shifted to Folkstyle. It will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER EVER happen with the focus on USA Freestyle. The pool of Folkstyle wrestlers in Tennessee is in the thousands. On the other hand, the TWF is supporting and promoting a style that has a pool of available wrestlers that is in the low hundreds at best. There is certainly nothing wrong with Freestyle and Greco but the interest of the masses is in Folkstyle. You may respond to that by pointing out that there are thousands of entries every year in Fargo. I will respond by saying IF there was only a few major Folkstyle tournaments every year, there would be tens of thousands wrestlers at each event. There are dozens of "National" Folkstyle events every year along with hundreds upon hundreds of local and regional tournaments and still people complain there are not enough.

Hmmm...Mr Anatrella, why don't you tell us a little about yourself? [Edited by Silverbullet on 10-3-02 10:59A]

LOL...I was wondering how long it would take someone to catch it. I was just checking to see who was paying attention. By the way... Does Fr. Ryan have anybody wrestling in college? There has to be a few more. I believe I'm up-to-date on the Chattanooga area but there has to be more from Nashville and Memphis.

This is the list I have but I know there is more than this. Let me know if there are more or if there is a mistake in the school or hometown or HS. UTC - Brandon Artiles - Nashville - Father Ryan HS UTC - Chris Bird - Chattanooga - East Ridge HS UTC - Josh Craft - Chattanooga - East Ridge UTC - Diaz Edwards - White Station - ? UTC - Jason Finnell - Chattanooga - McCallie UTC - Jimmy Frederick - Chattanooga - East Ridge UTC - Billy Hayduk - Chattanooga- Notre Dame HS UTC - Craig Johnson - Seymour - Seymour HS UTC - Quantel Langford - Cleveland - Cleveland HS UTC - B.J. Malone - Oakland - Oakland HS UTC - Michael Moharreri - Nashville - Brentwood HS. UTC - Al Morris - Cleveland - Bradley Cent. HS UTC - Adam Rains - Cleveland - Bradley Cent. HS UTC - Drew Roberts - Halls - Halls HS UTC - Ben Smith - Cleveland - Bradley Cent. HS UTC - Josh Ward - Redbank - Redbank HS UTC - Jake Yost - Soddy Daisy - Soddy Daisy HS UTC - Drew Woodward - CHATTANOOGA - BAYLOR Carson Newman - Chonci Houston - ? - Jefferson Cty. Carson Newman - Jarrod Houston - ? - Jefferson Cty. Johnson & Wales, RI - Daniel Montgomery - Cleveland - Bradley Cent. HS Carson Newman - Nick Berry - ? - Sewannee Apprentice School of Virginia - Ron Vecchione - Kenwood - Kenwood HS Apprentice School of Virginia - Jovon Butler - Kenwood - Kenwood Oklahoma State - Kevin Ward -Soddy Daisy - Soddy Daisy HS Michigan State - Darren McKnight - ? - Redbank HS Michigan State - Matt McCarty - Clarksville - Clarksville HS U of Nebraska - Matt Keller - Cleveland - Bradley Cent HS Oklahoma State - Rusty Blackmon - Cleveland - Bradley Cent HS U of Iowa - D'Argennet Phillipousis - Oak Ridge - Oak Ridge HS MTSU - Buster Bateman - Brentwood - ? MTSU - John Faulkum - Arlington - ? MTSU - Zach Fletcher - LaVergne - ? MTSU - Angelo Giasanti - LaVergne - ? MTSU - Kenneth Hammonds - Nashville - ? MTSU - Jon Lamberth - Dickson - Dickson HS MTSU - Justin Lamberth - Dickson - Dickson HS MTSU - Jason Searles - Hendersonville - ? MTSU - Denny Stanley - Arlington - ? MTSU - Matt Wallace - Smyrna - Smyrna HS MTSU - Will West - Brentwood - Brentwood HS MTSU - Matt Proctor - Dickson - Dickson HS MTSU - James Mullinax - Nashville - Hume Fogg HS MTSU - Jarrod Ray - Shelbyville - Shelbyville HS MTSU - Eli Victory - Smyrna - Smyrna HS MTSU - Mark Dix - Knoxville - Farragut HS MTSU - Chris Thigpen - Clarksville - Clarksville HS Findlay University - Waylon Lowe - ? - Jefferson County HS U of Dubuque Iowa - Jamie Brown - Nashville - McGavock HS Ashland U (Ohio) 0 Matt Seaberg - Franklin - Franklin HS Lassen Jr Coll. - Matt Sweeton - Tullahoma - Tullahoma HS Army - Pat Simpson - Nashville - MBA Army - Phillip Simpson - Nashville - MBA Cornell - JT Hagen - Chattanooga - McCallie West Virginia - Casey Brewster - Nashville - Overton HS Harvard - Kendrick Sadler - Nashville - MLK Princeton - Nate Rawlings - Chattanooga - Baylor Cumberland U - Josh Baulch - ??????? - Brentwood Cumberland U - Junior Hernandez - KNOXCATH - Knoxville Cumberland U - Rojon Garrett - TSB - Lebanon Cumberland U - Gerric Hayes - ??????? - Mt Juliet Cumberland U - Daniel Rouse - MLK - Nashville Carson Newman - Shane Arnold - Halls - Halls Carson Newman - Burnley Bell - Greeneville - Greeneville Carson Newman - Michael Boht - Sevier Co - Sevierville Carson Newman - Emanuel Gudger - ??????? - Bristol Carson Newman - Cody Humphrey - Halls - Halls Carson Newman - Billy James - Jeff Co - Jefferson City Carson Newman - Joe Knox - ??????? - Knoxville Carson Newman - Dant‚ Lawson - Hume Fogg - Nashville Carson Newman - Keyonsey Moore - Cleveland - Cleveland Carson Newman - Nate Moorman - Halls - Knoxville Carson Newman - Micah Nelkin - Sevier Co - Sevierville Carson Newman - Muelly Nelkin - Sevier Co - Sevierville Carson Newman - Nathan Parker - Jeff Co - White Pine Carson Newman - Chase Pipes - Jeff Co - Dandridge Carson Newman - Jason Rouseau - West - Morristown Carson Newman - Ernest Turner - Hixson - Hixson Carson Newman - Leif Whaley - Halls - Halls [Edited by Silverbullet on 10-2-02 6:14P]

Coach G Don't let the stone throwers get you down. I agree with you. There is plenty of room at the Roundhouse to run a 32-man bracket with full wrestle-backs. Have you asked RC? Where will your team be on December 20th and 21st?

CBG- I strongly disagree. Going to an 8 man bracket has no merit. There have been years when all placers in a given weight were from one section of the state. In each of the last several years, there have been less than 10 medalist out of 84 from west TN. Question for the board. How many mats can be put down in McKenzie if you squeezed 'em in?

Creagan will not be at 130.

Wow Dr. Evil, Why the nastiness? Did the AAU steal your fries? There must be some underlying meaning in your post. Did you have a bad experience while competing in or attending an AAU tournament? Basically your post was childish. If you have a point to express...then express it. I was at the Ironman in Nashville this year and it was poorly run. But it had nothing to do with the AAU. The problem was a lack of volunteer help. It might be a good idea to step back and evaluate your opinion. The problem in wrestling is a lack of events not crappy events. Wrestled anybody from Kansas lately? My sons have and they are a tough bunch. Last year there were over 85 USA sponsored events in the state of Kansas. You want to increase the popularity of wrestling? Then increase the opportunities to wrestle. This season my youngest son will wrestle in (Nov-02 thru June-03) around 12 to 15 open tournaments. I am probably looking at 10,000 miles and thousands of dollars. How many parents are willing and/or able to do that? Not many. Why are we doing it? Because Dorothy...we ain't in Kansas. "Engage brain before engaging mouth."

Mr. Green Many who read this board may have an interest in what you are offering but we will need a little more info. Could you please post some information regarding your experience, credentials, location, wrestling style (Free, Folk, or Greco) and your general plan? There are wrestlers in this state (both youth and high school) that travel to tournaments throughout the country. Many, including myself, would welcome an organized effort. Just my opinion.....but a qualified coach with no direct school affiliation would have little trouble attracting many of the best wrestlers in this state to participate. Following the State Tournament, many wrestlers move into Freestyle competition and what little organized effort there is, is dedicated to that style. The problem is that there are many, many wrestlers interested in continuing to wrestle in Folkstyle events. The Tennessee Wrestling Federation, with its' affiliation with USA Wrestling, has provided no organization towards competition in Folfstyle events. In other words, when wrestlers wish to continue wrestling through the spring and summer...YOUR ON YOUR OWN!!! Here are just a few of the available tournaments; ú National State Wrestling Duals Championship Grades 4-12, May 25-27, 2003, Norfolk / Virginia Beach, Virginia ú National Open Wrestling Championships, Grades 4-12 / College / Open, June 30-July 2, 2003, Norfolk / Virginia Beach, Virginia ú Cliff Keen Athletic Reno World of Wrestling Championships April 4, 5, & 6, 2003 ú AAU Folkstyle Nationals April 17-19, 2003 ú AAU All American Middle School Championships ú AAU Southern Nationals ú AAU Middle School Duals ú Apr 26, 2003-- Ohio Tournament of Champions If anyone has any other information on this subject, I would welcome discussion on this thread. Commoner

Walkenvol- I can't dispute a single word you say. I wholeheartedly agree. A January match between Bradley and McCallie would draw wrestling fans from everywhere. If Baylor/McCallie and Soddy/Bradley can draw 2000-2500 people, then I believe that many people might come to see a Bradley/McCallie JV match. The varsity match may draw 4,000.There is one thing Bradley and McCallie have in common. Everybody else loves to see them lose. Wrestling each other means one of 'em is walking out the door with a loss. But it's not going to happen, no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. We can end this discussion by saying we both love wrestling and it's too bad the way things have worked out. On another note...what is McCallie lineup going to be this year? I hear Silberman is up to about 250.[grin] You guys are loaded in the middle of the lineup. How is everyone going to fit in?

Karelin- I apologize to you and the McCallie faithful. I have nothing but respect for McCallie both athletically and academically and I assure you I am unbiased on this issue of the split. My analogous remark about cheaters was only intended to point out pretentiousness of those who berate Steve Logsdon and Bradley for standing up for what they believe is right. You are correct...McCallie does not cheat. However, several years ago they did get caught in a violation of the existing TSSAA rules and thus the split. Under the rules of today, there are no cheaters. Therefore no one is wrong. Any disagreement with the present format should be taken up with the TSSAA. It is fine to disagree but it is wrong to condemn someone with a different opinion. You are also correct. Great programs and great coaches attract great wrestlers. Make a list of the top programs in Tennessee. In every case you will see where those programs picked up wrestlers from other programs. As far as programs coming out of nowhere...you know the secret as well as I do. It's all about coaching and kids willing to put in the work. KCHSCoach- I understand your feelings towards the need for a regional tournament. I think many of the coaches in DII feel the same as you. I sincerely sympathize with the situation of the Catholic schools. Has there ever been a request made to the TSSAA by the Catholics schools offering to limit the number of participants receiving financial aid on each team? WalkenVol- Ease up. Yes, I do think a match between Raines and your son would have been a good one but I don't think the match you mention at 135 would have lasted long. Just my opinion. No, I don't think you have a hatred of Bradley. But I do think you are hung up on having McCallie wrestle them. Why? The only reason I can come up with is because you believe McCallie will win. I've never seen anyone beg for a butt whipping. I just don't understand where your preoccupation with Bradley comes from. Many of your points are good but your offer of a match against Bradley with only kids who do not receive financial aid is a slap in face. It's like saying, "I'll wrestle you. I'll even tie one hand behind my back." Be happy wrestling Soddy and all the other D-I schools on your schedule. If the TSSAA combines the divisions and Bradley has to face McCallie then I am certain they will show up. But until then...Let it go...LET IT GO! Hounddog- It's always pleasant to hear from the Ryan contingent. Someone from the Pat Simpson camp complaining about whining is pretty funny. Have a nice day. Commoner