DavidSchwetty

Wow...12 pages now of Dads embarrassing their sons

McCallie's five previous opponents have a combined 5 wins. . .reality sets in this week as EHS will win by 10+ . . .the Tornado will be fortunate to win 1 out of its next 5 games.

Excerpt from Tulsa Word news on two dominant 6A schools in Oklahoma...inserts mine (School choices based on similar school colors!

 

 

That may be true but Jenks (Alcoa) and Union (Maryville) also have superior facilities, youth programs, coaching and community support.

All of those go into building and sustaining a powerhouse high school football program.

 

Imagine that....and Alcoa has new school and facilities in the works!!!

Unless you're a private school. Then success is based solely on recruiting right?

So if you pay high tuition it's buying a gold ball but if you pay low tuition aka "taxes" that's perfectly legit. I guess folks in the cities of Nashville or Memphis don't pay any city taxes. Davidson and Shelby county probably don't tax them either.

All I want to know is why open zoned publics are considered different when it comes to classification than Ensworth, MUS, MBA, FRA, CPA, Lipscomb, etc? They seem to have all of the same advantages as those privates but with lower tuition and arguably lower academic standards.

Because a county school can take city kids and they do not have to pay tuition...see the apocalypse thread in 3A boards...and tell me then whose argument is irrelevant.

Clown on though...clown on.

That seems to be even more advantageous for the open zone schools. Open enrollment with no tuition required vs. a private school that has to charge thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars in tuition for a student to attend? I get that only a percentage of an open zoned schools students are from out of zone so applying the 1.8x multiplier would probably be extreme, but if the goal is make a level playing field, shouldn't they be subject to a lesser multiplier of some sort? Maybe equivalent to the percentage of out of zone schools times 1.8x?

Again...listen closely this time....there arw HUNDREDS of open zone schools in TN. We just happen to be better at football than the rest of them.

So hate on, brother.

We will just keep on raking.

You're making an irrelevant argument. There are hundreds of private schools that are terrible at football as well but for some reason they have been separated from their public counterparts or forced to play in a higher classification because they will take any student who can qualify academically and pay the tuition.

If open zone schools, Maryville, Alcoa, and the hundreds of others in TN included, allow students from outside their zone if to attend if they pay tuition, how is that any different than one of the hundreds of private schools that are forced to either play in a different division or in a higher classification?

That is just too unfair to unilaterally declare that OOZ students could not play sports. Someone close to me decided to send his girls from a county school to a city school due to the better academic opportunities that were available there. This happened at grades 2 and 4 respectively so they were paying tuition for a long time. One of them developed into a decent basketball player but that sure wasn't apparent as a 7 year old. Do you really thing it would be fair to tell that kid she couldn't play ball with the kids she had went to school with for 10 years?

How is this situation any different than a private school? Metro Nashville parents seek out private schools for better academics (in several cases extremely demanding academics), usually well before it would be known if the student is a great high school athlete. They pay tuition which is much higher than what is paid for an out of zone student to go to Maryville or Alcoa. There are very few if any recruited athletes. What's the difference between these two schools and DII-AA?

Of course we can point out smart kids from every team. There are 80 kids on a roster odds are that a few of them have to be smart. But remember what they did to Antonio Richardson they milked all of the talent they could out of him before he had to leave cause of grades. But don't worry they fixed that problem. Because now  (what a lot of people don’t know is that) if a good football player now at Ensworth can’t make the grades they will send him to a easier place like Nashville State to for some classes to get a higher GPA. That’s what they did with a certain former Vanderbilt player and look what happened to him.

So are you implying that EHS football players have taken classes at Nashville State and received academic credit at EHS?

Per the schools' respective web sites, MBA currently has an endowment of $54 million while Ensworth currently has an endowment of $71.2 million. Unless BA has a "negative endowment", you would lose your "decent sum" if anyone takes you up on that bet. Check it out - more and more of the wealthy alumni from MBA (and from Harpeth Hall) are sending their children to Ensworth.

I'm curious as to where that $71.2 million figure came from. I didn't see it on their website and it's about 30% higher than I had heard.  Either way, it's a pretty impressive number for a school with less than a decade of history.  Of course, it's almost all thanks to HCA's most recent IPO and subsequent dividend recaps, but what over there hasn't been handed down from Tommy Frist?

Regardless of who's endowment is bigger, EHS' has nothing to do with "more and more wealthy alumni from MBA and Harpeth Hall sending their children to EHS."  That's why the football field is littered with the sons of former MBA greats, right?  Wait, TIny Richardson's dad isn't an MBA alum?  I guess it doesn't matter because he left EHS so he could qualify for college.  But surely Corey Batey, Tavarres, Orleans, Corn, Rico, Ferby, Sam Cooper, Michael Sawyer, Jacob Carter, Heinz, Fentress, Sheffield and the McDermotts, surely their Dads are MBA alums?  Not one?  That's wierd because I thougth all the MBA alums were sending their kids to EHS.   Isn't the EHS Board of Trust full of MBA alums?  Nope. 

Green Bay Packers cut Graham Harrell and Vince Young in order to keep former McCallie QB as a backup to Aaron Rogers

Strong performance by EHS, but depth could be an issue as the season goes on. A couple of bumps and bruises could put them in a tight spot.

By my count that makes Trinity 4-4 against the Division II schools (2-0 vs BA, 2-3 vs MBA, 0-1 vs EHS). The way some of the Trinity fans talk, you would think that they're 10-0. They've hardly been dominant against the best of DII

Are there really only 40 players on the EHS roster? It's going to be tough for them to keep up with the pace at which Trinity runs its offense. I'd be a little bit worried about fatigue in general given that Trinity platoons personnel on each side of the ball.

What exactly was prestigious about MBA's year? 4 losses and multiple suspensions would a year to forget.

Losing 4 games to 3 schools that have more or less sold their souls to make football the number one priority hardly makes this season a forgettable year. That being said nothing exceptional about this season either.

The 12.5% number is for the entire school (pre-first through 12th). I have no idea why you believe that the numbers for the high school would be higher - the standards are the same for both schools and though I am not privy to information as to which particular students are on what kind of aid, it has always appeared to me that the percentage is about the same in the lower school as in the high school.

During the current school year, $1.9 million was awarded to a total of 132 students. This is an average award of about $14,000 per student. Tuition in the lower school is about $19,000 per year, tuition in the middle school is about $21,000 per year and tuition in the high school is about $24,000 per year. There are no full tuition awards - everybody pays something to attend the school. Before you start throwing out allegations that these awards are all to athletes, I personally know a family that has four children at the school, all on financial aid and none of whom plays (or is even interested in) a sport.

The percentage is significantly higher than 12.5% in the high school. I'll just leave it at that.

12.5 per cent of the students at Ensworth receive some financial aid.

 

Per school web sites:

 

MBA 22%

MUS 30%

Baylor 31%

McCallie 30% (non-boarding students)

46% (boarding students)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that 12.5% number includes the lower school. The number for just the high school would be substantially higher. If there are 423 students in the high school, 25% is probably a more accurate number being that the majority of the awards go to high school students.

Any idea how many students receive full tuition?

Whether or not they were studs or they were recruited and what sport they were participating in is immaterial to the discussion. They were student athletes at the school that were having their tuition paid outside of acceptable conditions.

It does not matter to the TSSAA but it certainly does matter in the court of public opinion.

"Here's IMO how this sort of thing happens...a kid comes to MBA from a "non-traditional" background. He is on a sports team playing alongside the sons of wealthy people in Nashville, and the wealthy families get to know the kid. They like/admire him, and when they hear that money is tight for the player's family, they take matters into their own hands. Maybe it's noble and doing the right thing in the bigger scheme of things, but it's against the rules, and the school has failed if it has looked the other way while this has gone on under its nose."

Those were my thoughts exactly. I would be interested to know how many of these instances involved students receiving extra aid from day 1 at MBA and how many had some sort of "hardship" and received aid from/at that point on.

Is DII getting to the point that the schools need compliance staff to monitor these types of things?

I have said repeatedly that this extends beyond football and I have seen no one making an assumption it is a stud football player. That seems to be your assumption.

My thought wasn't really directed at you. By everyone, I really meant Custer, but this is a good opporuntity to expand my thought. So were these recruited stud swimmers, golfers, wrestlers, etc or just students who happened to be on one of these teams and were not star contributors?

Quick question. It seems like everyone on here is assuming that some stud football players have been the recepients of this additional aid. Would people on here be so up in arms if the recipients turn out to be either A) members of the football team who rarely play or B)members of the cross country or swim teams? I have no knowledge of who the students were but the originial inicident involved a backup quarterback so I thought I would ask.

Also, if I am correct, the school requires students to participate in 2 after school activities per year. Being that most students select some sport, is it safe to assume that the probability of a student on financial aid playing a sport and therefore being a student athlete is quite high? Again not necessarily football.

Here's a funnier thought. If I bet $100 on MBA every year since 1998, I still wouldn't have won enough money to cover that check the MBA coach tendered a player's family.

You're right. $1800 for 2 years of backup QB play doesn't really seem like a bargain.

How many in a row has MBA won?

I believe that would be 16 in a row for the Big Red.

Funny thought, there are probably very few Freshman at Ryan who were alive the last time FRHS beat MBA.

ensowrth is dominating mus. ive never seen an mus team execute so poorly. i dont even think mus has gotten a first down yet. Ensworth looks very good. 21-0 in the first quarter ensworth

Is that BIG MUS line too slow for the EHS defense?

I have ties and I have made donations. I regret it now out of embarrassment from this fiasco.

You obviously have the school's best interest in mind when you continuously get on here and complain. If you have so many issues with MBA, I suggest you head over to 4001 Harding Road and have an adult conversation with someone about it. Hopefully they'll refund your donation while you're over there.

Lag for when it was made public. Go back and look at the blog when Coach R. was let go.

So really you're speculating this was the case. I'm not so sure a blog should be taken as a source of fact.

 

Remember, this hire was done before Coach R. was released!

 

Really? Seems to be quite a lag between the firing of Rutledge and the hiring if McGugin

Jan 10, 2007 - Rutledge Fired

Feb 27, 2007 McGugin Hired - http://nashvillepost.com/news/2007/2/27/mba_goes_for_youth_at_head_football_coach