It's funny how you get on a thread with the CAKe fans and all the other school and they never whine and cray as much as you lowerman fans have about open zone and need to move up and all this crap..... I guess next you will want us to play two hand touch or power puff or something maybe we can play soccer or something. Hope players for you guys are tougher than you guys or better yet that's usually where kids learn it from there parents.......