PurpleWrestler

Final Results

CBHS 48 - Bradley 27

Match started at 182

182 - CB Pin
195 - CB FF
220 - CB Pin
285 - BC Pin
106 - BC Pin
113 - BC Dec
120 - BC Pin
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132 - CB Pin
138 - CB Dec
145 - CB Pin
152 -  CB Dec
160 - CB Pin
170 - BC Pin

2 minutes ago, barbwire said:

Who knows CBG?  Due to scheduling conflicts, maybe this is the year both Baylor and McCallie choose to send their teams to Prep Nationals @ Lehigh University instead of the cow palace.

I would bet the mortgage on knowing their will be considerably more college coaches at Prep Nationals vs Franklin, TN on Feb 21-22.

I  don't believe they can. One of the requirements to being eligible for Prep is placing at state. 

1 hour ago, dontstopbelieving said:

Just a personal update of Hamms last rankings mainly considering the results from Bradley and the Independence tournament

106-

1. Ethan Wilson (Bradley)

2. Bentley Ellison (Cleveland)

3. Chaz Stokes (Oakland)

4. Owen Gobel (Franklin)

5. Russell Ford (Independence)

6. Jack Masters (Summit)

Results:

113-

1. Hunter Borders (Wilson Central)

2. Chris Calvin (McGavock)

3. Justin Bradford (Blackman)

4.Tenario Thomas (East Hamilton)

5. Easton Lipsey (Bradley)

6. Arlo Laxton (Cleveland)

Results: Bradford teched Thomas, Thomas decisioned Lipsey.

120-

1. Jackson Bradford (Cleveland)

2. Luke Belcher (Bradley)

3. Sammy Shires (Rossview)

4. Alex Rose (Blackman)

5. Ben Mullican (Munford)

6. Steven Dindl (Bartlett)

Results: Ben Mullican (Munford) dec Steven Dindl (Bartlett). Ables pinned Bryce Woerner (Rossview). Ross Keith (Lebanon) dec Grant Fetters (Wilson Central). Keith dec Tyler South (Stewarts Creek). Javier Montoe (Arlington) dec Ables (Centennial). Woener (Rossview) dec Ables (Cent).

126-

1. Trae McDaniel (Cleveland)

2. Trey Bates (Beech)

3. Andrew Artiles (Collierville)

4. Brennen Watkins (Dobyns Bennett)

5. Reece Nelson (Tennessee)

6. Taron Patterson (Bradley)

Results: Watkins dec Nelson. Shires majored Watkins.

132-

1. Frankie Medina (Riverdale)

2. Ethan Moore (Rossview)

3. Tyler Seeley (Science HIll)

4. Gavin Hughes (Bradley)

5. Presley Dittmer (Centennial)

6. Charles Randall (Cleveland)

Results: Moore dec Dittmer. Moore dec Mason Sells (Blackman). Moore dec Randall. Moore pinned Dittmore. Moore dec Seeley

138-

1. Braxton Mann (Science Hill)

2.Cole Fort (Wilson Central)

3.Landon Fisher (Jefferson County)

4. Gage Boggess (McMinn County)

5. Justin Brown (Blackman)

6.Seth Gregory (Bradley)

Results: Gegory beat Boggess, Boggess pinned garabrandt, and beat Harless, and beat Brown, while Brown beat Gregory.

145-

1. Christian Isbell (Clarksville)

2. Thomas Williams (Rossview)

3. Jackson Hurst (Dobyns Bennett)

4. Eli Clemmons (Lebanon)

5. Stephen Fisak (Wilson Central)

6. Cooper Finch (Brentwood)

Results: Isbell pinned Fisak. Clemmons dec Fisak. Williams dec Hurst. Finch beat Mann Science Hill.

152-

1. Cael Laxton (Cleveland)

2. Matheson Meade (Bearden)

3. Joseph Frye (Science Hill)

4. Levi Stone (Wilson Central)

5. Mason Smith (Beech)

6. Logan Fisher (Jefferson Co)

Results: Laxton dec Fisher. And decisioned Meade

160-

1. Jared Harter (Science Hill)

2. Tre Morrisette (Dobyns Bennett)

3. Michael Ford (Arlington)

4. Nate Schilling (Cleveland)

5. Owen Zuckerman (Houston)

6. Cooper Grills (Franklin)

Results: Evian Green (Overton) dec John Campbell (Dickson Co). Ethan Duck dec Myles Grady (Summit). Green dec Grady. Morrisette majored Schilling. Owen Zuckerman (Houston) dec Cooper Grills (Franklin). Michael Ford (Arlington) pinned Zuckerman.

170-

1. Josh Pietarila (Hardin Valley)

2. Gabe Smith (Clarksville)

3. Cade Meeks (East Hamilton)

4. Clint Morrisette (Dobyns Bennett)

5. Zach Brezna (Cleveland)

6. Anthony Gomez (Blackman)

Results: Morrisette dec Brezna. Glaster Oakland beat Mcdonald Bradle

182-

1. Brooks Sacharczyk (Blackman)

2. Cooper Palmieri (Northwest)

3. Cade Young (Houston)

4. Jacob Knight (Centennial)

5. Titoe Boyd (Cleveland)

6. Jacob Oxford (Independence)

Results: Palmieri dec Knight.

195-

1. Jason Brumlow (East Hamilton)

2. Johnny Mac Feldhacker (Brentwood)

3. Cooper Richards (Springfield)

4. Samari Suddeth (Centennial)

5. Jaylan Hughes (Blackman)

6. Hunter Bryant (Jefferson County)

Results: Stadel pinned Kallum Lowe (Walker Valley). Brumlow pinned Lowe in the Ooltewah final. Richards dec Suddeth.

220-

1. Ashton Davis (Cleveland)

2. Ryver Shelton (Jefferson Co)

3. Stone Cummins (Anderson Co)

4. Brandon Elkins (Halls)

5. Kameron Bingham (Oakland)

6. Noah Todd (Siegel)

Results: Davis dec Shelton. Cummins dec Elkins. Shelton dec Cummins. Ronald Neff (Heritage) pinned Noah Todd (Siegel). Little dec Neff. Little lost to Cocke county, Todd beat Sewell(Bradley) , Sewell beat Neff

285-

1. Skylar Coffey (Brentwood)

2. Jadon Langford (Walker Va)

3. John Worley (Arlington)

4. Bowdy Boyce (Blackman)

5. Jared Dawson (Collierville)

6. Trevor Linderman (Halls)

My question is, how do ya'll rank a kid that hasn't wrestled at that weight? and how do  you rank a kid that hasn't wrestled at all?

1 hour ago, cbg said:

Why are the TN private school not allowed to compete at the National Preps this year?

it's the same weekend as state. 

1 minute ago, BobCorker said:

So you want us to believe that Bowers and Derek coaching together for Team TN didn't have anything to do with the Bowers boys showing up at CBHS? They just moved 6 hours away for the fun of it? The rumor mill was churning pretty hard about Copper Flynn moving to CBHS once Bowers showed up too, but it didn't pan out.   I guess Wills Bronson just up and moved from Dalton, GA and picked CBHS without any outside influence?  The Wave club is the best recruiting tool possible... find good local talent at a young age and put them on travel teams. You are the only show in town.  

I am not saying that any of this is the wrong thing to do.  You should try to get the best talent in Memphis.  Father Ryan gets the best kids in Nashville.  They had a heavyweight out of Minnesota, John Hayes, a few years ago.  Parker Peterson wrestled for Park Hill, MO at one point.  Kids move! Ethan West lived in Georgia and won state titles for Cleveland. Hilton moved from Nashville to wrestle for Boom Ranch.  Baylor and McCallie attract their fair share of talent in all sports. No one thinks schools are out there doing in home visits.  The kids and parents are the ones that recruit...they want their kids to be on a good team. It happens in public and private, and it always will.  Social media has only made it easier.  There is a reason DII was created... stop crying about it.   Build nice facilities and hire committed coaches...then kids will show up...it's a law of nature. 

First, the Bower's situation was totally different, and not going to drag all that up, but a ton of people were nasty to Ben, so I don't blame him for getting out of that area. He needed a change of scenery . So yeah, he went were he felt comfortable. 

Bronson's dad got a job in the Tupelo area, and they moved to Mississippi. Since he wanted to continue to wrestle, and there is NO wrestling in MS, they made the choice to look at CBHS, and were part of the Wave program, so try again. None of us really knew that family before hand

Cooper has been coached by Derek and Ed for a LONG time, (LONG before he really broke out and became a top level wrestler), so of course he had discussion about things.  And kids wanting to stay with a coach they are comfortable with is not the same as going out and finding state champions and bringing them in. If you can't see that, there is no reason to continue talking about it.

So with those 3 examples, none of them fit your statement about recruiting. 

Peterson's family MOVED to Nashville. Really don't think they did that for wrestling. Just happened, when they moved there, they had to decide where to put Parker, and chose Fr Ryan. Don't see one thing questionable about that. 

And kids wanting to stay with a coach they are comfortable with is not the same as going out and finding state champions and bringing them in. If you can't see that, there is no reason to continue talking about it.

And as for your statement about crying about DII being created, I totally get that. And I have no problem with that. My original statement was simply, make it fair. WHY are 2 kids that decided to go to a brand new school not allowed to wrestle, but 2 previous state champs were allowed to "move" and continue wrestling without a year sit out? That is all I'm arguing about. And I made a statement that the word "recruiting" and high school should never go together, and thus people made fake claims that all schools are doing that, and I deny that 100%. NOT ALL are doing it, some yes, and that is fine. To each is own, I don't care what they do, but I do care that 2 kids are not getting the same privileges as the others. 

2 minutes ago, BOUNCE said:

What’s strange is that you assume anyone who disagrees with you is me!! Like I’ve said...I am not hiding behind anything...if I have something to say on here you can be 100% sure that this is me. You guys have a good season!! And for your info....I went to Bradley...Foose went to Cleveland...if you’d dig a little you’d know that about Foose!

Where have I said that about everyone that disagrees with me? And all I know is what I've been told by some pretty trusting friends. But that's fine, I wasn't being disrespectful in what I was saying, just arguing my point on the claims that were made. I don't have an issue with those claims either, as I'm sure that is common thought for a lot of people, it just happens to not be the case with everything that I know and I've been around for quite a few years now. So don't take that as anything other than a conversation. It's not personal. 

1 minute ago, BOUNCE said:

John,  once again you need to leave my name outta your mouth!!!  I’m not Foose. This is me!!! This is my account...only one I’ve got!!!

Bruce!!!

Is there only one Bruce in this world? Strange, could have sworn I've met at least 2 others. 

1 minute ago, fooseball95 said:

So prove me wrong. 

1 minute ago, fooseball95 said:

Have a good day John lol

you too Bruce

Oh, to help you out again, 7 of the 14 starters at CBHS were part of the Wave program

On the others

2 were new wrestlers, started as a freshman

Another's dad attended CBHS 

And 2 were from a local club that has no school affiliation and became friends with our kids, and I've never asked them why they chose CBHS, but maybe it's because of the reputation we have in town for molding young men into fine students. 

So no, none of these kids were recruited. And I could go back for years and show you the exact same stats

Just now, fooseball95 said:

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

I’m giving you an Emmy Award for that one

Again, you have NO facts, but make these claims. I'll take the EMMY and give you the "I make up BS" award then.

Just now, fooseball95 said:

So your saying the money Christian bro’s gives is different than the money Baylor gives? Lmao it’s all green brother with Dead Presidents on it!!!!!

I don't know what Baylor gives, so I can't comment on that. And again, to be clear, warranted financial aid is not the same as GIVING money. CBHS was founded on a the principle of the catholic brothers (who take no salary) providing education to young men. And I can promise you this, NOT one penny more than what is warranted by the family's income is given to any student. Personally, wee needed financial aid, and did not qualify for it. And I know quite a few families that say the same thing. So no, CBHS does not GIVE money

1 minute ago, fooseball95 said:

That’s probably true but for u to say Christian Bros is a school that doesn’t recruit is funny to me.

so FAKE NEWS is funny, ok, good to know

2 minutes ago, fooseball95 said:

Regardless Christian Brothers recruits man lol. Stop it lol

You know this how?  You don't, so stop it LOL

More than 75% of the team has come through out middle school program, and a lot of those kids have been with that program for years before hand. 

Ya'll are getting confused with what financial aid is, and what people mean by recruiting. Financial aid is there for families that cannot afford a private education, but want one. Just because someone receives financial aid, does not mean they were recruited. It could simply mean their family could not have otherwise afforded the education.

4 hours ago, TrustMe said:

With all respect.....I am not a wrestler, did not have a kid who wrestles, but love the sport and a big fan of this CoachT board and enjoy the banter. I have heard this topic surface on many occasions and have to laugh a little- I am sorry, but if you are a private school you have to recruit all students or else you do not have a school! I have been on the board of a private school and trust me, you have to recruit at ALL levels (Academically, Athletically, the Arts, etc....) or you can't fill the seats, or your teams! Often it is a great coach, or a very involved parent that helps to drive the effort and this is the mission of ALL private schools (academically, athletically, etc....)- and if you think your school is not "trying" to recruit, then you are mistaken....and if they are not trying to recruit, then that is a mistake of your coach and school, and that school may consider making a change in leadership.

So, the word "recruit" is used and OK to be used in the Private School DII setting, or else you would not have a school.....these schools are "recruiting" ALL students ALL YEAR long!

maybe that is your experience, that not from our end. Sorry to tell you that, but been involved with the school for 10+ years and no "recruiting" being done. So, just because you have seen it, does not make it the case for all. 

3 minutes ago, cbg said:

While Baylor is really good for Tennessee they are no where near the level of Blair Academy or Wyoming Seminary at the present time.  If they continue to recruit at the level they have been then you will see Baylor slowly close the gap.

sad that the word "recruit" is being used in discussions about high school sports

3 minutes ago, durdon said:

 Purple wrestler beef is that Christian Brothers doesn’t have boarding and because Baylor does CBHS won’t win a state dual title while his son is there or for the foreseeable future.  Boarding is advantage and it does hamper the D2 programs that don’t offer it.
 

But, I could give a rats behind that Baylor is getting all the Minions travel kids in their wrestling program.    

The reason I’m a big advocate of 100% open transfer rules is because of Hamilton Heights High School in Chattanooga.  If you have never heard of them then google them. 
My guess is that most of you have never heard of this school.  Hamilton Heights has more current active D1 and NBA Basketball players than the rest of all the school in TN combined.  The reason most of you haven’t heard about Hamilton Heights is because they aren’t part of the TSSAA and they don’t compete in our state tournament.  The AAU Travel Basketball circuit developed first before the rest of the youth sports and it also was able to continue during the high school season.  As elite level kids started to running into issues with state organizations restricting their ability to compete and transfer these independent schools like Hamilton Heights formed.  This is starting to happen in all high school sports across the board.  There is now independent High school leagues for soccer, volleyball, basketball, etc abd it’s not going to be long before there is one for wrestling too. There is already a number of National independent programs out there lead by Blair and Sem and all of the National High School tournaments are now letting these programs in.  
If the state doesn’t go to open transfer rules then we are going to see a Hamiton Heights open up for wrestling in Chattanooga or Atlanta that will suck up all the top elite level kids soon. 

Scott,

You couldn't be more wrong. You see things from one side, and that's fine. I could care less about what Baylor does. And do you forget, CBHS DID win a title while my son was at the school? So that makes your statement totally false.

And I have ZERO issue with a school getting kids to come there, that's their business. The unfair practice that is in place, is by schools pulling already proven state champs to their school, and those kids not having to sit, while kids like Ivy have to sit out a year for going to a brand new school. This has NOTHING to do with my son, or our school. This is 100% about all the kids. Either open up the transfers, or don't. But the crap rule allowing 2 schools to do something, and then penalizing other kids is not right. I made my one and only statement on this when you stated Ivy and Roller had to sit out a year for going to a brand new school. THEN, I answered jojo on the question. I didn't start this thread, nor do I think the rules will ever change. Just stating that the way they are now, it is not fair to the kids. My son is where he will be until he graduates, so I don't need the rules changed for him. So, by assuming that was my issue, you just stepped on your own tongue. I have said this to your personally before, so I'm not sure why you don't know where I stand on this. 

53 minutes ago, jojopanono said:

That is not an answer to my question PurpleWrestler.

Well sorry, but that was my answer to your question

28 minutes ago, jojopanono said:

The question I have is why is this such a hot button  issue?  

One school in particular 

On 12/2/2019 at 12:40 PM, durdon said:

I agree 100%.   There should not be any transfer restrictions at all.  Let the kids move to the schools that are going to give them the best opportunity to excel in their sport and give them the best chance possible to continue their sport in college if they do choose. 

Actually, the athlete has 100% control on the school they choose to attend, it's "transferring" that is the issue. Which means, if athletics is your primary concern, you better do your homework upfront. I know I did when it came to education, which what I think most people do.

1 hour ago, durdon said:

I agree 100%.   There should not be any transfer restrictions at all.  Let the kids move to the schools that are going to give them the best opportunity to excel in their sport and give them the best chance possible to continue their sport in college if they do choose. 

then you are opening a whole other can of worms, and the reason they have some of the rules in the first place. 

22 minutes ago, cbg said:

That is just another TSSAA rule that is antiquated and should be changed.  The problem is the TSSAA is operated by educational bureaucrats that don't have a clue as to how a multi million dollar business should operate.  They always react to situations, never have they looked forward and recognized potential problems.  

totally agree, they really need to address some of these issues, and make some changes. Only way this will ever be any where close to an even playing field. 

1 hour ago, cbg said:

If that is wrong what about the boarding schools that are able to pluck a kid from any public or private school around the country and they become eligible immediately so long as they board

that is exactly what I was eluding to. So a kid goes to a brand new school, and can't wrestle, but state champions can be recruited to a school, and because they have "boarding" they can? How is that fair?

2 hours ago, cbg said:

Not trying to be an A-Hole but if these two are the best P4P wrestlers in Tennessee who is recruiting them?  I just noticed where two Tennessee juniors have given a verbal to Army so surely these two young men have been standing in line to sign them.  

Not saying the others aren't in my top 10, and heck maybe those 2 are in Army's Top 2. It's all a matter of opinion, along with needs. 

5 minutes ago, Bump11 said:

lol yeah. i’m the idiot. for using actual logic for a matchup that hasn’t happened yet. not you who literally just asserted that noah will NOT beat alex based solely on results against Palmer, in 2 separate seasons. even though alex beat brayden by 2 whole points. and brayden beat noah by 3 whole points.. they are all very close and if they all wrestled 10+ times, i guarantee you not one wins all of them. they would all beat each other 

as far as common opponents, absolutely not. again..when it comes to tournament seeding or initial ranking...sure, use common opponent if that’s all you have. but for you to directly state that noah will not beat alex, based on 1...ONE common opponent which AGAIN...knows noah better than anyone because they’ve been practicing together for 10+ years...i’ve watched noah and brayden since they were elementary kids having been privileged enough to be around and be a part of the hendersonville generals club back then. notice how i haven’t stated that noah for sure beats alex or that alex “won’t beat noah” because unlike you i have a brain and understand the fact that until they wrestle, it’s all here say. everything is an opinion. so for you to blatantly state that there’s no way noah can beat alex, that statement is what makes you an idiot. all dumb logic aside...for you to openly state that noah will not beat alex, without any prior head to head result, is stupid. 

first this isn't tournament seeding, it's P4P rankings, so unless they have wrestled, what else do you have to go on? First would be common opponents. And if you look, there is more than one common opponent. 

I agree, if they wrestled multiple times, neither would win them all (assuming the same weight). Noah is one heck of a wrestler. But the discussion is, who is the best P4P in TN. and without a doubt, based on all the FACTS we have, that would be Whitworth. Without question. I would put Noah in my top 10, but not at the top. I think there are others that would earn those spots. BUT, that is just my opinion and since we will never see the 2 wrestle, I guess all we can do is give an opinion and reason why