Doc931

The " coach" is a heck of a trainer though like he trains some of the best in the country can't take that away from him.  Let them tell it these kids have never been recruited since they played with each other since the 6th grade. I take nothing away from the kids they are talented no doubt, but the fact is they were still recruited, and it is an all-boys school is wild. They are literally allowed to host recruiting events throughout the city red flag?  Charter schools should be moved to the private sector or bumped up in classification either 3A or 4A. If TSSAA continues to allow this then public schools at that level will never have an opportunity because they cannot yes you guessed, they cannot recruit. 

On 3/6/2024 at 11:25 AM, Charger731 said:

Agree with a lot of your points. There is a big need for proper training of officials. There needs to be some entity that takes this project on. It would be a worthwhile endeavor. It's tough because shortages don't allow you to be picky. But I know for a fact, some of those officials have never even played basketball before. There has to be some form of fundamental, baseline knowledge to officiate. 

Its obvious majority of those cats have never played. I've seen games where they have given a delay of game for players dapping each other up after a free throw. Watching these state tournament games this week I see its an issue across the state. 

You are speaking on south central. It's embarrassing to watch. I will say they didn't call in favor of the other team it just they are that incompetent. They are the worst in the entire southeast of the United States. They sent a guy to the state tournament last year and he had 36 fouls called in one game. 

Everyone wants to talk about join TSSAA,.. how about stop allowing any and everybody to join because that is exactly what South Central does and you still can't make chicken salad out of chicken turds. There needs to be legitimate training and classroom sessions for new refs. Stop putting them on big time games until they prove they are ready.  The old guys need to be pushed out because they are way too soft when it comes to taking stuff from coaches. 

Update their court mechanics instead of looking like robots out there and understand basketball is indeed a contact sport. 

TSSAA has a big issue when it comes to South Central Association and something needs and must be done. They are an embarrassment to the state and the game of basketball. 

On 3/3/2024 at 2:13 AM, Bearettesalltheway said:

Bradley v Clarksville

Cleveland v Lincoln County

Sevier County v Bartlett

Dobyn's Bennet v coffee county. 

Who ya got? 

My picks are bradley v coffee County

Cleveland v Bartlett

 Title game is rematch of last year with bradley winning again by 10 those time 61 51

Best player in the state is Imari Berry hands down... can she led her team to upset Bradley? 

On 2/25/2024 at 10:57 AM, LloydBonafide said:

The #2 player in the country (24/7 Sports) is a Chattanooga kid named Ace Bailey. He left Boyd Buchanan and now plays for McEachern in Atlanta. He's special.

Special doesn't even properly describe that kid haha...they don't make many like him anymore. Did not know he was from Chatt originally. 

On another side of the this.. Why doesn't TN go to the format like some states have in place where they actually play at a neutral site for region games instead of in high school gyms creating home court advantages for host schools. Like in Alabama they have 4 regional sites Wallace State CC, Jacksonville State, and two Arenas located in Birmingham and the other in Montgomery. All 7 classifications play one of the 4 sites based on the location of your region. It's just like the March Madness format... They play during the school day which is an incentive for those involved because the student bodies are all excused from school which makes the environment absolutely electric. 

The White Co, Cumberland County teams play their district tourney at Tennessee Tech btw.

TSSAA could easily allow for colleges around the state to bid on being a host or offering them money off the gate or concession if they host. UTC, Tech, UT Martin, ETSU, UTK, Nashville area colleges have plenty of options.... Smaller colleges - Bethel, LMU, etc 

Do away with substate as well just make the Glasshouse the Final Four

2 hours ago, bobcatfan#1 said:

This is a message I sent to the head of TSSAA:

I am concerned about schools having a huge home court advantage in basketball for region games. 

I understand your connection with East Robertson, but that should not be a factor in this.

East Robertson hosts the region every other year. That doesn't help the E.R. girls' team, but it certainly gives the boys a huge advantage. 

With Greenbriar, Springfield and White House Heritage nearby, any of those schools should hold the region so that the region tournament gives no school a huge advantage. Or, there must be other schools available east of East Robertson which would cut down on District 7 schools' travel.

Cross Plains is a 2-hour drive from Clarkrange for example.

I hope that TSSAA will correct this huge unfair advantage that East Robertson and other schools have had. Monterey also hosted the region last year. I am sure there are other schools doing the same thing.

7A never allows a member school to host. Our teams have played at Jackson County, White County and Livingston.

 

 

 

In Alabama all region games are played at a neutral site which is a college arena. Makes for NCAA like atmosphere. Schools get out of school for it to help with the attendance. Gives the kids a chance to play on a stage being in a college arena. 

I know the upper Cumberland schools played at Tech the last couple of years for district and region would be great for the state to implement this statewide there are plenty of colleges to pick from to make this happen. 

On 12/4/2023 at 2:31 PM, Goatsentme said:

They need some one who can develop fundamentals. they’re missing excitement, experience, and skill

FC is a joke since this new AD has taken over... the boy's program is next to fall. No way they should've gotten rid of Holt smh he turned that program around instantly and had them rolling. The new cat they hired who was the assistant under holt just isn't par for the course when it comes to being a Head Coach. 

21 hours ago, mcraiderfan321 said:

Looks like rebuilding might be easier with Holman leaving Coffee County to transfer back to Franklin County.  Has Coach Cope lost his recruiting touch? He could not get the post from Tullahoma in the summer and then lost the forward from Webb and now loses Holman.  

Holman left already? like during the season lol? wow I would've gone to Tullahoma over going back to FC 

44 minutes ago, BelmontRebel said:

You should see a middle school game sometime.  They don't call enough fouls.  I get the game will last longer but that's too bad.  These kids are killing each other.  There was a ref last night too worried that the chairs weren't inside the box.  It was like 1/2 inch outside the box.  

I'm with you brother... they think because its middle school it doesn't matter, they spend more time worrying about things that don't have an impact on the game like such and uniforms plus etc instead of calling the game. It's the same with JV refs they let them beat the snot out of each other and then wonder why tempers flare... 

22 hours ago, WestTNHoopsFan said:

you the one said pro level... not sarcastic at all. I don't know anything about high school basketball out there. I was hoping my Vols were on his list. HOWEVER, if he aint got no D1's as a junior, he probably aint pro level. Just sayin. 

He has a mid major offer. Came off that way.. lol but gotcha. He has played in the pro am in Nashville and held his own vs pro guys. He is worth a watch. Rick Barnes could use some scoring right now haha. Pro Level doesnt simply mean NBA either 

20 hours ago, warmachine7954 said:

Never paid mileage. Never was told I could be paid mileage. Was asked to umpire games for free for experience. 

People know what they're signing up for? Exactly why people are not signing up. What's your point?

Coaches that yell and complain at the officials aren't coaching. They're being a distraction to their team. I've been a basketball coach for 15+years.

Facilities do matter. When a high school baseball games has to use a portable mound and there is a lake in front of 2nd base so big you literally have to move the base to play it matters how the game is called. Or when you show up to a field and the grass is so high a ground ball wouldn't roll 10 feet it matters. When this is a regular occurrence it matters. 

I said people have to have the job schedule that allows them. Many people don't have they ability to ump due to work.

With that reply I know you've never officiated a game in your life. 

Respectfully.

I officiated for 6 years officiated two sub states... I was paid mileage for travel up to a certain distance like every official get still to this day. 

Never attended a game nor a game that I played in has a coach never not yelled. High school, college and pro level when has a coached never yelled? I currently coach high school basketball (not in this state)  

How do not know what your signing up for? Thats the problem part of the people signing up never played the game or must have never been to a game if they are going to be in their feelings because people yell at them. 

I'm glad to know you no longer ump or officiate games.

Respectfully 

1 hour ago, warmachine7954 said:

If you haven't  officiated/umped in the past 10 years then you have no idea how difficult it is. 

The starting cost can be high. The amount of time required for training, camps, gear isn't compensated for enough many times not at all. Then the drive time to games plus game time isn't worth $100 or less and listening to stupid fans, coaches, and now players yell, scream and critique even the stuff you get right. 

I umpired baseball in Shelby County for 2 years 15-16 and it wasn't worth it. Middle school games there was 1 umpire, high school games could be ok depending on who and where you're calling the game. And the facilities in some places are completely unsafe for players and don't get fixed for a whole season or longer.

Also, keep in mind that you have to have a job that allows you to accept games that are assigned to you through your organization. 

The cost I understand the fees are a joke when TSSAA claims they are " non-profit". You do get compensated for drive mileage even though it's not great.

Players, fans, and coaches scream and critique at every level that's not an excuse you know that when you sign up. Fans pay to get in they should be allowed to voice their opinion and cheer on their team. Coaches have the right to "yell" they get paid to win or they lose their jobs... you will still wake up and go to your job the next day. 

Refs have seemed to develop rabbit ears now days. Facilities shouldn't alter how well you call a game. Also, you knew when signing up to officiate rather or not you job would allow to make contest or not. 

Respectfully 

14 hours ago, crazzyness said:

Ok, this is the way criticism should be conveyed. I can appreciate this point of view, put across this way. 

Unfortunately, this will be becoming the norm, moreso in some areas than others. In my local association, last week, we had to inform schools (2 or 3 middle schools) that their contests would have to canceled/postponed till a later date due to lack of officials. This is the first time our association has  had to do that, ever. I'm afraid there will be a few more times in December and the early part of January that it'll happen again.

The turnover is just too high, we can't keep up with it. I'd guesstimate the 5 year retention rate for new officials in our area is now roughly 15% or less. So with 3 or 4 guys retiring every year, we've got to bring in 20 new faces evey year, just to break even. So when you were used to seeing, say, two veterans and a younger, less skilled ref making his way up through the ranks in a Tuesday or Friday night game, now you're going to maybe see one veteran, one younger developing guy (or gal,) and a fella that quite frankly has no business being in that game. But the spots have to be filled with the personnel that are available. 

And to address your idea of the TSSAA offering constructive training, that's a pipe dream my friend. I suppose folks don't realize this, but the TSSAA doesn't really put anything monetarily into its officiating base. In fact, they actually rely on officials paying fees and paying to attend summer camps (where officials have to pay the state $200 to work an entire weekend for free in order to maintain 'postseason eligibility' while the TSSAA pockets the gate money) in order to meet their bottom line in the balance sheet. They do pay a stipend for a few supervisors in every area, but the reality is that you can't expect 2 or 3 people to be able to train/develop new officials efficiently, and especially not on the fly while the season is in progress. Any preseason training is paid for out of local associations' coffers, which are dwindling due to less officials in it to pay membership dues. 

It's just not a good situation. And it's going to get a lot worse, I'm afraid to say. 

Does the lack of ref's stem from low wages? because TN is one of the lowest paying states when it comes to contest officials. I have heard some say due to fans and GA's not keeping the gym in order, but fans have been barking for years it hasn't just become a thing. 

Middle school may should maybe consider moving contest to Monday or Wednesdays across the state and slot High school contest on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday there has to be away to help with the cancelations. 

I did know that officials have to pay all fees which is a joke in itself. The summer camps they work only count for meetings and no training is really offered to them. I have seen the way Alabama high school association is ran far as the ref's side of things and it is a well-constructed model, and they offer them trainings and meetings all summer and fall ( TSSAA should take note) 

I remember at the State Tournament last year there was 30+ fouls and in the boys' games a kid received a tech for dunking and hanging on when players were underneath him. I would think in games of that magnitude you should send the absolute best officials across the state not just picking from associations. 

This needs to be looked into to help solve the issues

3 hours ago, WestTNHoopsFan said:

Pro level... Wow. Who are his high major offers right now? 

sarcastic much?   The kid is an underrecruited player thus far but still only a JR. Ja Morant wasn't a high major kid either in high school but had pro level talent look how it turned out for him. 

Hate to be this guy, but are refs across the state just awful or is it just South Central and Middle Tn associations that are just that bad?  It's hard to watch. TSSAA needs to host clinics and offer trainings because it is clear some of these men/women have never called or never played the game of basketball. I appreciate their commitment cause without them there is go game but the product that is on the court is crippling really good basketball games. 

The kid from Hillsboro #12 or Brentwood Academy kid both are special. Kid from Hillsboro has got pro level talent in him and is just a JR if I'm not mistaken will be a household name. 

On 11/15/2023 at 6:27 PM, Nontypical said:

Coffee co is very good and white co looked like the real deal last night!

Coffee Co has talent every year and they waste it. Same ole story just a broken record at this point. Cupcake schedules typically don't work out, although they actually have some good talented teams to play this year. They have two twin tower mismatches inside ( pretty sure both are back) are dominate but the coach seems to forget that at times. The FC transfer helps out maybe recruiting pays off for them this time. 

4 hours ago, thetubthumper said:

Doubt Brentwood finishes top 4 in their district this year.

Agreed, having Franklin and Indy in their district is going to be tough sledding 

7 hours ago, WestTNHoopsFan said:

 

Bartlett may not win their district. I hear Houston is going to be legit

Also Brentwood

Maybe, Independence who went to championship last year and not sure how any they lost but not many

Indy will be strong for sure with two guards they have but I'm not sure they make it back to the state title game. Bartlett and Indy play next Saturday its early, but you can take something away from it. 

Can anybody come close to Bartlett this year?

Comes down to money and Tennessee schools just don't pay the same like surrounding states especially the schools down in the 931. Lawrence wasn't paying him enough to stay up here so he took a job back in Alabama. Came out of AL retirement and increased it cant blame him for the move. If it would have been football they would've have found a way to pay.

15 hours ago, frankman said:

as Fayetteville moves up in classification where do you think they will stand in AA

They take a step back this year. Graduated majority of there best players the last couple of years. The well is running dry nothing really coming up through the lower levels. They still will be easily favored to win the region as those teams just simply ain't got the horses to keep up. Playoffs will be when they get truly tested. Poor Scheduling 6 straight road games to start the year.  

On 3/29/2023 at 6:31 AM, Yeti said:

Fayetteville or Milan probably. 

 

Think City takes a step back they lose a lot of talent and size. They still dominate their region just cause there nobody capable of matching their speed in it but not sure how they will stack up with ER.

Kelly Holcomb further back but had a nice NFL career - Lincoln Co

Michael Edmiston was a freak would've won state if Rankin didn't pay the refs - Lincoln Co 

Brent Stockstill - Siegle 

Bo Wallace - Giles Co

Tylin Oden - Spring Hill 

Cunningham Kid from Shelbyville few year back was really talented