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8 minutes ago, PostingGawd39 said:

Would have to check the staff directory against tssaa coaching site. would take some time to do 

Every teacher in that department coaches at the school.

13 minutes ago, RPohnO said:

I am confused. I didn't realize people taught PE that didn't coach a sport. I am all for schools focusing on academic rigor, and ensuring qualified candidates in the academic setting, but PE should be reserved for coaches. Period. Does Bearden really have a bunch of PE teachers not coaching? That seems to be the easy solution there...

Teaching and coaching responsibilities are not connected in KCS. If they choose to coach, then great. If not, that's fine too. Honestly, I don't think that is a bad model to follow when they compensate coaches so poorly in KCS. Admin will have to be creative when they hire to either hire someone in a TA type role or hire someone who does not need a position at the school. This could be done because they have assistant coaches in the building that could handle the academic side for an HC that was not involved at the school.

4 minutes ago, HTV said:

 

That player quit on his team?  

Shocking.  

#Sarcasm 

2 high schools

3 jucos

2 universities 

SMH 

He is the picture next to "transfer portal" in the dictionary.

1 minute ago, edwardblake said:

From my perch at West High word is that Jones to Bearden is all but a done deal and a solid young QB from another school is transferring in. (The QB part is murky, I was wondering if it was the QB at Fulton) I think what Bearden is waiting on is Powell to finish the season. 

Wow, with Jones and a QB they will be tough to compete against!

1 minute ago, KnoxVil said:

I’m not saying he isn’t well respected in the coaching community. I will say it again tho, take away the athletes and he is a mediocre play caller at best. Again, only my opinion…. 

I am just taking his body of work from 2019-2021 at Powell as the basis for my claims. If you take away any coach's athletes and they will look mediocre.

3 minutes ago, KnoxVil said:

This makes me giggle…..

I am basing this off of what he has been able to do at Powell in 2019, 2020, 2021. If you are active on Twitter, he has a ton of respect from high school and high level college coaches and is always connecting with them. It may not hurt a school to scoop him up because with his connections, he may help their kids get recruited.

Just now, oridgecat said:

There's a lot of factors that went into what happened at Cleveland.  No need to speculate on what happened.  Only people that really understand what was going on were there, first hand.  I would agree with MTF, sum it all up with "not a good fit".

When he was at Cleveland, he was competing in 6A region with Maryville. Not that 5A isn't tough in East TN, but Oak Ridge is a more realistic place to run the table than Cleveland having to play Maryville every year in Region and again in 2nd/3rd Round. I think he could be a great fit.

28 minutes ago, LittleJerrySeinfeld said:

I do not have much confidence that the hire will be solid.  There are definitely many variables/obstacles in play that other schools or school systems do not worry about as much (like moving non-coaches out of PE).  The current DC did an outstanding job this season.  Not sure about Bradley moving into 6A public school football.  Jones is intriguing.  He seems to have talent wherever he is.

I think the PE situation you are referring to would be a non-factor if they choose to go with a Jones type hire. He wouldn't need a position in the building. He could have an assistant in the building handle things on the academic end.

47 minutes ago, RPohnO said:

Agree that the offense needs the most work. I'd say it would be easier to find an OC to fix the offensive issues than to take a chance on an "offensive mind" and risk losing the DC to somewhere else. A better offense would have given Bearden 2-3 more wins this year. A better offense with the absence of their DC, they probably only beat Hardin Valley. 

Defense is irrelevant when you have a strong enough offense that can go the distance and score for score with another team. I have said since the beginning on this thread. I see this being the best coach available... that is known for coaching offense. Also, I do not see a promotion from within with it taking this long to make an announcement.

Just now, HTV said:

Oak Ridge is a little different in getting talent there vs. getting kids transfers in the Knox County system. 

If one doesn't live in the city of Oak Ridge the tuition is over $8K per year.  Obviously that's going to keep a lot of families from sending their kids there if they can't physically move in to the city limits.  

My apologies, I was referring to Bearden in that comment. It seems like a great fit for Josh and for Bearden. Good natural area for recruiting right in the middle of Knoxville. Good diversity in the school building. They need offense and he always delivers offense.

6 minutes ago, keepitmoving said:

Do you think Josh is interested in the OR job and vice versa?  

Josh is more likely to land at Lenoir City or Bearden, IMO. I don't see OR hiring a coach without HC experience. Successful HC experience.

1 minute ago, HTV said:

And I believe the Rocky Top event is this weekend, too.  

Normally around 35 sites, 8 to 10 teams per site.  

A lot on that plate right now.  

Did not even realize that. I think he would be a great fit there because he would get a lot of talent in the building. But, still so much left on the table to accomplish at Powell this season before making the jump.

Josh Jones is one of the best offensive minds in East TN. Look at what he has done at Powell in his short time there. He would not require a teaching position because he has never worked in public education outside of coaching. He may be exactly what Bearden needs.

26 minutes ago, dawgs82 said:

Definition of an assistant principal (aka a glorified classroom teacher)- a person who has 4-5 years of college for a Bachelor's degree, another year for a Masters degree and another year of educational administrative course work for the opportunity to be called a glorified classroom teacher. No respect!

All the respect in the world for public educators. Just calling an AP what it is in the Knox County Schools. Usually has a lot more to do with who you know rather than merit. I know a lot of good qualified people that have been passed over for administrative openings. I understand this is the case in many fields but not as rampant as public ed.

23 minutes ago, PostingGawd39 said:

How did this go down? I always figured he was kind of the coach in waiting out there at OR

Basically, Speas and Miner are buddies. Speas "coached" with him at OR back in the mid 2000's. That is using the term "coach" very, very loosely. Speas knew he wanted Potter out at the end of last year but knew he couldn't during a COVID year. He held on to a position this year to post at the right time (when he forced Potter out) so he could hire his buddy and put him in a PE position immediately. Miner knew Gaddis was hitting the road and was offended that he wasn't the heir apparent.

With the Josh Jones to Bearden rumors swirling, I hope that he can keep his eye on the ball for the remainder of the playoffs.

5 minutes ago, LittleJerrySeinfeld said:

 

HTV already answered pretty much.  In addition, the current admin at Bearden do not care about athletics nor know what they are doing

This is what happens when AD's are not paid positions and the duties are put on an assistant principal (aka a glorified classroom teacher)

2 hours ago, dawgs82 said:

Bingo!

The PE position is a "supply" position meaning the full time teacher is taking a leave of absence for a period of time but will be back in that position when they return. AKA temporary and not able to be used for a football coach.

2 hours ago, dawgs82 said:

FHS, not on here to argue with you, just want to ask this. What plan would you put into place? You want to get the best coach possible, therefore you would most likely want to wait until the end of the playoffs in order to give these coaches that are applying the opportunity to concentrate on their teams. And if you are receiving apps from out of state coaches, the same would apply. If they had immediately named an assistant to the position without a search, what would the explosion have looked like on here. And it could also be that they know of possible teaching openings coming after the first of the year. Don't necessarily have to post them until their needed, if you get my drift. But like I said earlier, interviews will start this weekend and run for a while. Football team won't officially go back to work until after Christmas anyway.

I assumed that BHS would choose to go this route and look like they are making an "informed decision." When in reality, they have slow played this because it is not a priority. Now that HVA has done a smooth and effective search, BHS is scrambling to figure out how to hire a coach without a teaching position. 

4 hours ago, LittleJerrySeinfeld said:

You need new sources if you think that is still the case

Enlighten me with your infinite wisdom Jerry,

31 minutes ago, LittleJerrySeinfeld said:

You need new sources if you think that is still the case

If all they have available is a TA position, the booster club will have to supplement his pay in order to attract an outside candidate (Rusty Bradley). That is how things work in these situations. Unless, they plan to hire someone on the current staff but from what I have read in this thread, Shinlever didn't have much help this year.

1 minute ago, KnoxVil said:

Jones is an interesting name. What about Partin? I know he has put in for a few before. Is the former DC at SD ready to come back to Knoxville after a year away? 
 

Why would Bradley leave Webb and try his hand in the public school realm? Stranger things have happened tho.

3 minutes ago, osunut2 said:

I still wonder how they do this given the lack of faculty openings. That's going to be interesting to see play out.

Agreed that a lack of faculty openings will make this difficult and probably rules out guys like Partin/Whinery. I imagine that a Bradley/Josh Jones type hire would be more likely if you take that into consideration.

8 minutes ago, Drifter1987 said:

I wonder if they have someone lined up already and their current team is still playing? Could have made a decision already and just waiting for _____________ to finish up. 

If they were hiring someone on staff, it would've been done by now, IMO.

So the teams still playing around East TN (Knoxville) are:

5A

West... Barron Chandler?

Central... ?

Powell.... maybe Josh Jones?

6A

Maryville.. (none of them are leaving)

Farragut (none of them are going to Bearden)

3A

Alcoa (none of them are leaving)

Loudon... Harig has already tried the West Knoxville experiment

My dark horse is Rusty Bradley.

39 minutes ago, thefox said:

Do we know who is interviewing? Who even wants the job? 

Booster club will make this hire. At Bearden the booster club runs the show.

26 minutes ago, thefox said:

Something tells me this is already a done deal but we don't know who. But I'll speculate anyways. 

Scott Cummings - homerun hire imo

Geoff Courtney - homerun hire (unlikely though)

Dustin Lyles - has hc experience

Tracy Malone - has a lot of HC experience 

I could see Cummings. Courtney has no HC experience so he is out (He will be a great HC when his dad retires). Lyles/Malone are completely laughable.

19 minutes ago, MidTennFootball said:

1.) OR is not the kind of job you put feelers out, if they're interested they'll initiate contact

2.) I'll give that to you but your not gonna find someone from AL,GA,TX,MS that is going to take a reduction in pay to come here, unless they have family here like Blade does

3.) My point is that this state has plenty of great coaches that live here/ have lived here and are a better sounding board than cold calling a coach from another state just because he's successful when you have plenty that are successful here.

Example: Oakland makes a change after the 2007 season. Having only won 15 games in the last 5 years, their principal was desperate to turn things around.

Oakland has a conversation with Gary Rankin, who in turn suggest Thomas McDaniel, who Oakland then hires even only with 1 year experience as a HC at Moore County. McDaniel goes 14-1, winning a state championship and laid the building blocks for Oakland to become the juggernaut it is currently

4.) AD is a ceremonial position for most( if not all) public schools in this state, this isn't college or D-II

All of these are great points.