SayWhen55

You can't believe anything I bring to the board but I was told that its looking like Tracy Malone/his to lose

1 hour ago, ChiefstillIDIE said:

It ain't a question of being blind.  It's called give the man a chance!!  It's year one.  not year three!!  Is anything you have brought against him gonna change anything, whether it's true or false????  NOPE!  Is what you are saying on here gonna put more doubt in the minds of the kids and parents that are reading it??  YEP!! Is that how to get them to actually come out and play and get the team out of the 4.5 year rut of losing??  It is not!  Like my name says.  I'm a Chief till I Die!!  I want my community to have a sports team to be proud of and want nothing but the best for my kids, grandkids, and so on.  Everything you are doing is hurting the team and school MORE than anything that whether Vestal may or may not have applied for Sweetwater could ever do.  Just think about that.  It's not like they are going to fire him for applying somewhere else, or if he says he knows someone and don't.  Let it lie down.  Like you said earlier.  Sit back, each your popcorn.  If it happens, crow like no other rooster has crowed before.  Until then, eat that popcorn.  

Lol well said good sir. I can actually respect your position and what you have to say. I happily went down this rabbit hole with only one person who wanted to argue because feelings were hurt. Truth does hurt sometimes, and sometimes, it's fun to play the villain. I truly hope the county finds a way to stop eating it's own one day.

Sincerely,

Old Crow Medicine Show

12 minutes ago, ChiefstillIDIE said:

I remember that team.  It was the very next year after Satterfield retired, right?  Maybe 2 years?  Well, that is right in the time frame of it still being a team Satterfield helmed!  If a coach can't win with that kind of holdover, they need to find a new line of work.  Satterfield is one of the best coaches to ever set foot on the field in Monroe and Loudon counties!!  He had a great staff.  Sharpe, Wiggins just to name a couple.  Look at his records compared to all of the time since.  5-5 is the average until the last three seasons.  The losing streak actually starts in 2018 when that staff lost the last 4 in a row.  Now, Bollinger had a lot of flash on his resume.  The kids were all excited about it.  Everybody talking about Fulmer and the browns and all.  But, why didn't his flash transfer to the field?  You say he couldn't bring in coaches.  Part of being a coach is doing the best you can with what you got.  So.....anyway!  As far as Vestal....He has just finished up his first season.  His offense went for more than any other team EVER at Sequoyah.  They were in almost every ball game this year.  We like what we see and we like the potential now that the kids aren't acting like a bunch of thugs.  If he interviewed at Sweetwater, so what?  The only time anybody needs to be concerned is if he was offered it and took it.  Whatever it is that has got hurt feelings, so what?  Let's support our chiefs!!!  If Vestal leaves, get behind whoever is next!!  HAIL TO THE CHIEFS, BABY!!!

Sir you are 110% correct, at the end of the day, it falls on the coaches. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Shout out to John, great man and mentor to some. Whether or not you all want to be blind or ignorant of what else it takes to have a adequately manned and qualified staff, to build and sustain a program that can't keep up with the competition whom have communities and administration that are pouring, and investing into and supporting their program rather than tear it apart, griping about their son's playing time, that is your decision to do so. Kids are products of their environment. It's like many parents who expect teachers to raise their kids for them and get mad when they didn't turn out better. You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Some of the horses in Madisonville and Vonore aren't what they use to be, blue collared, tough, with a chip on their shoulder. Parenting, times changing, whatever it is. Yes, the proof will forever be in the pudding and I know that none of us can wait to taste it.

1 minute ago, Sandman63 said:

And what about him… you gonna come up with some elaborate scheme about how you didn’t stay on staff bc him, or bc they lie, or something else. I see someone coming out talking crazy, but yet not able to say anything that close to truth. I know that Frazier does know him, I know that coaches at college level know home and talk on regular basis, I know that the things done in 1 calendar year for the kids by this new staff is more than has been done in a decade. I know that sitting and obsessing over another dude is weird!

Lol Frazier's text read "never heard of him", I'm sure he just forgot. I'm not the one riding my brother's you know what.. That's some banjos off in the distance back in the holler kind of stuff lol. Alright boss, you do you and I'll keep eating my popcorn from afar.

Oh don't forget the sequoyah AD

Unfortunately there were more confirmations on the application itself coming out of Sweetwater. To think this wouldn't get out is hilarious. Thankfully it's just fake news right? And someone's got to play the victim!

That would be Mark Ingram. Yall know better than anyone else, understood. No, Vestal didn't post someone's job prematurely either and lie about it being from a "Sequoyah High School" in Georgia. don't even have the stomach to be straight up about that, he was FRAMED. Nor did he lie about knowing an equipment manager at UTK who could get kids a full scholarship for just to be a manager. Dude had know idea who your brother was. LIES LIES LIES lol

1 hour ago, Sandman63 said:

Better check with saywhen55 he seems to know all the things that happen in Monroe county… wonder if he is the assistant director, mayor, possibly the president. Donovan Stewart who knows all that happens in coaching game will tell you that vestal has not applied anywhere and has no intention to leave. 

It's the mayor's brother if that helps. Last time I name dropped your panties got in a wad.

23 minutes ago, footballinTN said:

Optimism is always a positive thing.  I really think that Sequoyah went as far to the bottom they could go with that last set of coaches and everything positive is a win for these kids.  That is what the school needs, instead of negativity all the time.  They can't even get support from the radio station that calls themselves "The Voice of the Chiefs".  The radio station dogs them during games.  That is how bad the situation was at Sequoyah.  Thank goodness I can use the NFHS site to listen and watch the games.  Hopefully there is enough optimism around the school that the athletes will want to participate.  People complain and gripe and moan about how bad things are.  People should try being supportive and giving the kids a reason to want to play.  It really speaks volumes of negativity when the athletes refuse to play.  That starts at the top with coaching.  I hear parents saying all the time how that with Vestal their kids actually have a chance to play and that status has nothing to do with it.  That is why I think Vestal is going to do good.  He doesn't know anybody and is building his own relationships.   When you hear words like Cancer and Constant Negativity about a group of coaches, it is definitely time to clean house and start over.  Even if Vestal does leave, it happens.  The key is to remember that it's the kids that are most important.  The KIDS.  They need to have our support.  They need to know that there are going to people there other than their parents to support them.  Community.  And so far, it seems like the Community is coming back.  

Someone on here wanted to note that there hasn't been a decent staff since Satterfield. My point to you and anyone else is you had coaches on the previous staff who got their start under Bill and was on the staff the last time Sequoyah reached the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2012, I believe? You had a head coach with connections everywhere and a track record that showed experience in the SEC while as a GA at Tennessee under John Chavis and Monte Kiffin and also had a stint in an off field capacity at the Cleveland Browns I think as a QB Analyst. So you all say Bolinger doesn't know football? Doesn't understand that he needs a strong supporting cast around him? He was told "No" a minimum of 12 times, when trying to bring in QUALITY coaches. The previous staff, which was already left short-handed, was also asked to stay after high school practice and coach the middle school one year. If YOU weren't front and center to witness all of this, you are only a skeptic at best.

5 minutes ago, footballinTN said:

Would David Staff be an option?  He's already on the coaching staff.

I could be wrong but I don't believe Staff wants it. From my understanding he hasn't even applied for it. I Thought Brett King would be next in line but I know he didn't apply.

But then again, why would that individual be honest and upfront, just the same as Weaver or whoever your other source was? Maybe they're trying to prevent the uproar that would follow. Why even bother thinking of any other possibilities? Everyone tells the truth when they speak, no reason to think for yourself, just take the bait and all is well! 

14 hours ago, footballinTN said:

I have been reading this thread as well as watching Sequoyah from afar.  I read in the newspaper that Sequoyah set an all time school record for total offensive yards with over 4,000.  I also saw where that Sequoyah played in the #2 district in the state for 4A.  I try and listen to Sequoyah's games on the radio, and I know of 4 or 5 games this past year where they were winning at the half and then lost around the same number of games really close.  Like 7 or 10 points or less.  I checked with teachers I know that work there, the old record for yardage dates back to when Coach Satterfield was there.  That sounds like some really awesome potential.  Satterfield is the last time Sequoyah had a good coach.   A couple of the parents have said on multiple occasions how far behind their kids were in just regular football knowledge.  I have been told stories that the players were almost in shell shock when they actually practiced something other than offense the entire practice.  They talked about how the players had no experience with special teams, and no real experience working within a defense until Vestal and his crew got there.  Kids were having to be taught basic skills to play defense, not just run around hoping to run into someone and make a tackle.  One kid told me that he didn't know what to do since he actually had to show up to workouts and practice in the summer, because all he previously had to do was show up in August.  The people are constantly complimenting the team because they aren't acting like a bunch of thugs on the field, they are trying to play and win a ballgame.

All I can say is that Sequoyah is much better off with Vestal than any of those previous coaches like Bollinger.  It would have been a ton more of the same if they had hired any of the assistants as HC.  Vestal and his staff seem like they know what they are supposed to coach and how to actually coach.  It seems like every kid last year was on a freshman level, even the seniors, and they had to teach the basics instead of building on prior knowledge.  

I have seen pictures of how much improvement Vestal has done just with the facilities.  I remember being in the field house back when White was there and I felt like I needed a tetanus shot when I left.  The pictures posted online make it look like a totally different place.  I hear you can even catch Vestal there and he'll take you on a tour.  

I think that as Vestal and his coaches get the bad habits put into these boys from the last group of coaches and change the culture to one of respect, hard work, and discipline, they will be just fine and maybe back to the level of when Satterfield was there.  

Gotta respect the optimism. Sorry in advance for how it's going to play out. Maybe they can at least snap the streak.

On 2/5/2023 at 9:55 PM, Sandman63 said:

You seem to have something for him… 10000 bucks says that he did not put in for another job. I have good feeling too that you have it out for him and have no factual proof to back up any allegations you have either. Plus pretty sure that he didn’t hire you and you got butt hurt

Hope you got your 10k. Ask the assistant director if he did indeed apply. I'm sure you can figure out who that person is since you seem to have the pulse of everything going on. 

47 minutes ago, Frontman said:

I told you vestal was going to leave if he had the chance. But to another school in the same system takes some brass. I don’t know  if the powers that be will let him!

if he does go who in the world would they get to take his place??

It will be a revolving door and stepping stone for years to come. The damage has already been done, your current coach would rather coach your biggest rival. What kid wants to play for that?

How am I attacking anyone's character when it's been made blatantly obvious to those that were close enough to a situation and witnessed it play out the way that it did? It ain't gossip when you see it, hear it, and fact check it by asking supposed relationships/connections. Should I apologize for giving a crap about the community and the kids in it? Me finding humor in Vestal applying at Sweetwater isn't me coming for him. He has no reason to be loyal to Sequoyah other than the fact that he took a job to become the leader of that program. He is free to do as he pleases. Just as we all do, coming under scrutiny is just a potential byproduct of that. Everyone on this message board is free to scroll right on past anything I put on here, but I will speak to what I know and believe to be true, same as you. You chose to reply to one of my messages, that was your choice. If I'm wrong, so be it, but I can make presumptions based on the evidence I have been given and carry zero guilt because I've done my homework. I don't give a darn if Vestal goes, or if he stays, it makes no difference to me. At the end of the day, the kids are the ones who are being done a disservice, and that falls on more than just whoever the head coach at good ole Sequoyah happens to be.

1 minute ago, Sandman63 said:

Well actually getting applications no, the others....

I'm sorry that you're being lead to believe otherwise by those you work closely with. Central office wasn't happy to learn that he had applied either.

Just now, Sandman63 said:

I will tell you 100000 percent that he did not apply.  

You getting the applications? You working at Sweetwater High School? You talking to Weaver? LOL

1 hour ago, Sandman63 said:

Scumbag....easy there. Know for a fact he is not interviewing at any other school 

Bunch would be a good one!

Know for a fact he has applied. If you're getting info from Vestal himself you might want to check your sources lol

I'm happy for all those that escaped that heck hole and am sad for those that have yet to do so. It was a blessing in disguise for those coaches that are no longer there I'm sure.

Tells me how close minded you are. How about trying a different perspective? Maybe those individuals who dedicated their time, potentially years invested, tried to right the ship the entire time they were involved and could find zero support. Maybe some of those were a part of the reason the middle school program finally started up after pushing for it for years. It takes a village, things need to be in place for a program to succeed and find consistency, I'm truly sorry you think that is or has been the case at Sequoyah.

10 minutes ago, Sandman63 said:

lol, this is so so funny.  The way that names are dropped is the best.  You are clueless my friend

You're entitled to your own opinion, and I darn sure ain't your friend. It's a message board, no one has a gun to your head telling you that you have to believe everything. I know where I've been in relation to that program since '95.  I don't need your or anyone else's validation. Sweetwater potentially interviewing Vestal just to stir the county pot is brilliant, he seems to be sold on building SQHS back up.

Vestal, scumbag, supposedly has an interview today. Was told Sweetwater is only interviewing him to stir the pot in Monroe County, which is brilliant.

Tracy Malone- would be a good one

Bunch from Meigs.

10 hours ago, Frontman said:

Meadows was never going to stay anywhere long enough to build a consistent program. Just look at his track record in places where he had success it was all short term or one and move on. 
 

it is a shame. Kids deserve a chance at success. 

Yes I'm sure Meadows never had or made demands/requests that were not supported and he was told no which lead him to look and go elsewhere. I'm sure he always wanted to become known as "Suitcase" Meadows and job hop his entire career. Makes sense.

There is no such thing as a for sure win with Sequoyah. The sun is bound to shine on a dog's #### at some point though.

Astute observation. Weaver at Sweetwater runs the show and nobody is going to tell him otherwise. Sequoyah had that 20+ years ago, Mr. Jenkins was the exact same way. Whether that was because they had/have enough dirt on those above them, I don't know, regardless, they were/are in charge and everyone knows it. Politics is everywhere, but Monroe County, sickening. I would love to see things change for the better, the kids are who suffer. To think if Sequoyah did what was needed to hang on to Meadows when they had him, and the youth leagues had been fostered accordingly early on, the program probably wouldn't be the dumpster fire it is now.