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Camden beat Harpeth by 7. Johnson is 0-3 in region play. He has lost twice as a 1 seed to 12AA's 4 and once as a 2 seed to their 3. He's consistant. I don't think it's a lack of talent.

Will Marshall County over look this 4th place Ezell team?

If they do, Ezell might only loose by 20. Otherwise, look for Marshall to hand them a real beating.

Just curious about something. The teams that these defensive-minded teams have lost to, or have played close...how many points did those teams score? If they played better teams I wonder if the points scored would go up, or if their defense is as good even against really good competition. My point is that many of these teams play a lot of less talented teams during their schedule--teams that aren't capable of scoring that much anyway, even with good (but not necessarily great) defense. I only know a little about the Memphis area, but this may be why Central is farther down on the list--I think they have played more teams that are better all around teams (especially in their district), who can score more points than the bulk of the teams Millington or Bartlett has played. Don't worry DU--I'm not saying anything bad about Millington or Bartlett--but you have to admit, teams 3-8 in 14AAA are significantly weaker teams that would have a hard time putting up many points against any good team. Central has to face several teams in their district who have players that routinely put up 20-30 points a game by themselves, even with good defense on them. Of course Bartlett and Millington have their Jasmines who routinely do this as well, but the other 14AAA teams don't have players who do that every night. Just wondering...I'm thinking this is one of those places where the stats make things look a certain way, but that is not really the true picture.

Here's a deeper look. Melrose, a better than average team, is averaging 62.95 per game. Against Central they scored 63 per game in two games. Against Millington, they scored 42. Come tourney time, when the rim seems to get smaller, I think that matters. It's not just the average. It's how a team scores against you compared to everyone else they play. I have never seen a team that plays good defense "when they need to".

I see absolutely no advantage to adding a shot clock to high school basketball and see no need for it. The game is fine as it is. If you want to play fast; press, trap, run, and jack up a shot every ten seconds. Most of the good athletic teams are doing that anyway and often for too long. If somebody gets a lead and holds the ball; match-up man-to-man and use the five and ten second clocks that are already part of the game. Forcing inferior unathletic teams to play faster than they can will just make for some ugly basketball. And I am sorry, but some teams will not adapt, they will be more likely to drop the sport. Many of our single A and double A programs just do not produce high level athletes capable of playing a college or NBA paced game. Strategy and tempo control are often the only way they can even compete and I have actually known coaches who played to get beat 50-30 instead of 90-40, just to keep from humiliating their players. Remember these are high school kids, not scholarship athletes or paid professionals.

The NBA and college games added the shot clocks to get more dunks and thirty foot three pointers. Fans pay big ticket prices and wanted more entertainment. It is all about money. The team concept has been lost and most games are simply one on one games by the best players. That is fine when all the schools have an opportunity to recruit players and when NBA teams can draft the best athletes in the world to play for them. Many of our high school girl's programs have produced few if any scholarship players. Yet, many of them can offset athletic advantage with teamwork and skill. I say leave the shot clocks for the NBA, college, and AAU and just let the high school kids keep playing the great game they are playing now. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!!"

Perfect!

These teams are ranked by fewest points allowed per game through 2/4/08. Only teams in the CoachT top 25 were considered.

1. McGavock 34.6

2. Brentwood 34.73

3. Millington 35.11

4. Walker Valley 35.96

5. Bartlett 37.82

6. Mt Juliet 38.75

7. Hillsboro 38.85

8. Bearden 38.95

9. Smyrna 39.71

10. Tennessee 39.85

In case you're curious, Memphis Central was 24th at 49.73 per game.

Did Riverdale tip it's hand by holding a player out of last night's game? The rule is clear. So if you know for sure that you're in the clear, why the need to hold the player out? Could it be that when pressed the parents could not prove they had vacated thier old house in accordance with the rule? I read a lot on this thread about people "knowing that she moved". But, by rule, her parents could have moved and still broken the rule. Believe it or not most coaches and ADs don't know that. You have to cut all ties at the old house. This separates the legit relocations from basketball moves. You can't back track and change utility records. No principal or coach wants to deny a player from playing in a game that they are ok to play in. But once there is a question, if they can't prove that they are in compliance and they are allowed to play, the principal is on the hook. Stay tuned.

Look guys, your taking your eyes off the ball. None of this "she said she said" crap matters. Did these two families make a "bona fide" move as described by the TSSAA or not. If they did it is over. If they did not it is VERY easy to prove and Riverdale's year is pretty much over. Ronnie Carter can get thier former addresses and put this to rest with a few hours of work. Ownership records are public and utilities are easy to trace. If those parents tried to have thier cake and eat it too, these kids will suffer. Call Cheatham County and ask if that is true. There, the principal, coach, and AD relied on the parents to do the right thing and it bit them all. They rented a "new" house to get a usuable address and keep the old one.

One way or the other, this needs to come to an end for the sake of the players who were already there. NOW!

Here is the question that begs an answer. What are the odds, that not one but two families whose girls played for Independence last year, made a "bona fide" move to Riverdale with the coach? That is to say, that both families just happened to decide to uproot from Williamson County and move to Rutherford County for "non basketball" reasons at the same time, in the same year that thier coach moved. Maybe they found Williamson County schools to be lacking, maybe they all got new jobs and instantly found buyers for thier homes in this "great market", or maybe it is exactly what it looks like. My money is on the last one. Any time a player migrates to a school it makes you wonder, legal or not. Two at the same time is highly questionable and should be looked into. Two players from seperate families with thier coach is beyond belief. Sorry Riverdale,I think you done it.

Another question then, on the night Riverdale played Oakland at RHS, the lady Warriors basically had an open house for all of their feeder school programs to come into their locker room and eat pizza, drink cokes, etc. When they invited all of the girls from McFadden, some of those players do not live in the Riverdale zone. Is this legal or would this be considered recruiting?

Recruiting Rule

Section 17. The use of undue influence on a student (with or without an athletic record), the parents or guardians of a student by any person connected, or not connected, with the school to secure or to retain a student for athletic purposes shall be a violation of the recruiting rule.

You be the judge.

http://dnj.com/article/20090114/SPORTS/90114066/1006

 

the people who turned her in are the parents of a girl that was kicked off the team

 

so the parents or just trying to mess with the coach

Everyone ever caught is caught this way. Contrary to popular belief, the TSSAA does not have investigaters. They rightly assume that displaced players will rat out cheaters.

Bona Fide Change of Residence ??“ A move from one community to another that justifies a change of schools. Where a family continues to maintain a previous residence for the residential purposes of that family or any of its members, the move is not one that justifies a change of schools for purposes of the TSSAA Bylaws.

This is taken directly from the TSSAA hand book. This has been consistently ruled to mean that, if the player in question's family still has utilities in thier name at thier previous house, it is not a "bona fide " move. Just ask Cheatham Co. They had a player that was determined to be maintaining two houses in 04/05. As you can see on this site, they had to forfeit the first 21 games and the player was ineligible for the rest of the season. It doesn't take long to clear a player or thier family. So if this drags out it is not a good sign for Riverdale. It does however, take the TSSAA a while to muster the courage to make a call. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

T.V. news at six last night reported that the TSSAA is looking into a report that Riverdale's two new transfers are living with thier coach. All three came from Independence last year. For those of you who have never dealt with the TSSAA, that means someone has dropped hard facts in thier lap and they are searching for the spine needed to act on them. If true, I hate it for the players who belong at Riverdale. If not, the TSSAA sould clear that team ASAP. Delay hurts all involved.http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9677284

Responding to the topic, Riverdale is playing really good basektball and they are physical. Look for RHS to win by 10 or more!

Blackman wins by 3. Every once in a while I'm right.

I think this is a trap game for Riverdale. Riverdale should win but very close.

I like Lipscomb by 8 or more.

1. Marshall Co. - Well coached. Starting to look like a title repeat.

2. Upperman - Great offense, but very average defense. They live and die by the three.

3. Station Camp - Well coached and getting better.

4. Cheatham Co. - Well coached. Good news- no district comp. Bad news- no district comp.

5. David Lipscomb - Well coached. With no clear cut choice, I'll take a great defensive team.

2 round scores?

The girls have lost the last 3 games. I know they are young but these girls can play.

They played three teams better than them. The team from Alabama has won the 6A state championship there twice over the past few years and Brentwood and Hillsboro are a combined 19-1. What the heck did you expect?

Are you saying coach Maxwell made good adjustments at half or are you saying that upperman thought the game was over at half and quit playing in the second half? I hope its the first one

I'm saying Maxwell was the difference in the game. Her team was not as talented, but well prepared. Upperman got very few, if any, second shots in the second half. Riverdale played defense, Upperman played streetball. Defense wins championships. Upperman has enough talent to never give up 70. They were as weak on defense as they are good on offense.

I Made the trip to see this game. Upperman is loaded with talent. Riverdale beat them in the locker room at the half. Upperman is unbeatable when the threes are falling, but their defense is very average. As a result they will not beat good teams when the shots don't fall. Great coaching job by Riverdale. Upperman took 15 3s in the first half and hit 3. Meanwhile Dyer was unstoppable inside. So why did they keep jacking it up from 20' in the second half? Beats me. Beat them too.

I will not pick against Upperman, but this may be their toughest test to date. They could face Brentwood if they beat Riverdale, and Hillsboro if they win that one. All three are AAA top 15 teams. Great tournament!

Everyone says talent, But I think more often than people would like to admit you see Seniority getting to play over younger talent. Some coaches are content with winning games not championships.

There is some of that, but most fans and all parents tend to see what they want to see. If you want to see things more like a coach, Keep "net stats" over about a five game period. Keep up with points and rebounds of the girl each of your players is guarding then subtract those from your players totals. There is always a suprise to be found. A player getting 8/game with 10 rebounds while giving up 6 and 4 is better than the snowbird who scores 17 and gives up 20. Just a thought.

Would you pick seniority over talent?

Is that a serious question?

Can you clarify the times for the Sunday games? Looks like duplication....

Winners are in the main gym, loosers in the parking lot ( aux/gym ).

Upperman vs Riverdale this Saturday will be a great game and a chance to tie a lot of teams together. I think Upperman will wear them down and win by 10 or so. The combined coaches ego level will set some kind of record. Brentwood and Hillsboro are also in that tournament field. That could produce several good games.