In Hoc Signo Vinces

I think this is the most lopsided year in a long time in a comparison of state champs here are my predictions:

106-D-1

113-D-2

120-D-2

126-D-2

132-D-2

138-D-2

145-D-2

152-D-1

160-D-2

170-D-2

182-D-1

195-D-2

220-Spli

HWt-D-1

Seems like there is some parity

There is a difference between Novice and Beginner.  If it is your very first time waling onto the mat and never been around the sport that is very different than going out with sum knowledge. 

Also try it from an area that has no wrestling around, out in the country is not the same situation as areas of cities.  Then distance to compete is a whole different topic.   When you have to travel great distances your parent support is going to be limited especially in the building stages.[/quote

 

Seems like you are parsing lines. There are numerous attributes that enable a program to achieve success, the most important are communal support and the aspect of the student athlete buying into what the coaches are selling (obviously Darvin did with the Ryan staff). Can you explain the difference between novice and beginner, excuse my ignorance but I don't understand nor recognize the difference

I would like to see you go to a school that has never had a wrestling team and start one.  See how many kids you get out if you have to wrestle the larger schools and get drilled from the beginning.  Then you have to worry about starting a feeder program if the lower schools even have wrestling. If you are at at small school then their is at least an opportunity for the kids to have some pride about themselves and not quit from embarrassment. Not to mention when you are staring a program it is difficult to fill a full team and most will not schedule a meet against teams with few wrestlers.  Then you have the money, mats-uniforms-travel and I am willing to bet no budget for it for sure.

Don't all novice wrestlers, especially those in their first two years, climb the proverbial hill of disappointment culminated by frustration and lackluster results? That is just wrestling, I don't know too many individuals who walked out onto the matt on day 1 and were coronated state champions

As for your general point about teams, there are a slew of relatively new Williamson and Rutherford county schools able to start and build successful programs (Ravenwood, Independence, Summit, Blackman, etc). Admittedly these programs had great support from their districts, coaches, and parents but it simpply isn't all about money and resources. If that was the case why hasn't Ensworth high school wrestling become a juggernaut?

So quantity has a quality all of its own now? More crappy wrestling which reciprocates more bodies is supposed to be the goal; not improving the proficiency nor quality of wrestling? Who cares how many programs there are; in my opinion some should throw in the towel, a minus 14 lineup is a joke (inadequate coaching and other support delegate these programs as insolvent enterprises).

Done properly one division that has a 32 man bracket with both a district & region qualifier will create interest over a three week period and increase participation.  Iron sharpens iron.  Just look at the fan support this year for the Indiana State Championships when Chad Red, Jr. (ranked #1 in USA) defeated Nick Lee (ranked #7 USA).  How many programs have been started in Tennessee only because we have

multiple divisions?  My guess is zero!

Great point, I understand TN is a rural state thus the hypothesis that creating more champions will inadvertently foster more interest, but subjectively I believe that objective hasn't been met. Contrapositvely it has watered down the sport, but just think what a single tourney would facilitate for the true believers? Also from personal experience I was a two time D-2 HWT state champ at the same time Cody Sliger from Ooletowah accomplished the same feat; although I can't say I would have one and even been a state champ under my proposed format, the competitor in me says I sure as heck would have wanted the opportunity

Obviously I am newer than you Me st becausi was a 2nd grader at the time of the split you ignorant piece of work

First and foremost I'd like to congratulate all of the wrestlers who competed this past weekend at the state tournament especially those who were able to experience the transfiguration of hard work; blood, sweat, and tears amount to tangible success by being crowned a tssaa state champ!

As a product and supporter of D-2 wrestling (Purple Irish) I am ecstatic that they have produced 14 state champions in a 2 year interval. After rummaging through and diagnosing the brackets from this past weekend I became inundated with a dilemma how many of these state champions are actually the best wrestler at their weight in the state? We can't ascertain that question with fact but can only theorze with hypothetical, but is it unreasonable to believe that a single individual tourney is possible in TN? If the most populous state CA is capable of that why aren't we? Here is my solution.

The facilitation of merging the 3 existing tourneys into 1 that is comprised of a 32 man bracket is challenging but nonetheless feasible venture. There are two seemingly simply options merge AA, AAA, and D-2 at the individual regional and state levels, allowing qualifiers to enter the tourney from the same source (though each classification would still retain separate team scores). If that is unacceptable, allow each classification to participate in their own region and allow the placers to advance to the tourney.

I am proud of the Irish, what a strong start! Obviously Baylor is still well adept at working the exterior of the mat, yet the lions feasted! Boys and girls the Irish are going to pull a George costanza the y are double dipping the chip

Congrats to FR. But, if you ever thought what happened at the beginning of the season was about winning and losing, you missed the point completely. SMH.

What a loser, that's the point who cares about DEC its about tssaa tourney time ie now and that is what Pat simp and the purple Irish faithful are about. Maybe the makeral snappers out west ought to figure out it is about rings not mid season exploits

Who are you? Do you even coach T?

Yeah amigo you best should say cianara and get off this the t. Although a purple makeral snapper eater (of theNashville variety and having duked ot out with bear himself on these boards you should prob avoid posting bears can maim and kill

106-Eli King (FR)

113-Oliver (CBHS)

120

126

132-Ben Johnson (Baylor)

138-

145-Patrick Marchetti (FR)

152-Kelly Felix (FRANK)

160-Brandon Wright (HOUS)

170-Justin Knox (FAR)

182-Tyler Roberson(SD)

195Cameron Croy(BRENT)

220-Nick Reviez(FAR)

HWT-

Incomplete but hopefullyprovoking

If the Controlling Board of the TSSAA votes for a split on July 16, are all TSSAA off season regulations and travel restrictions out the window?

Honestly a split would benefit D-II wrestling, TSSAA has over regulated the heck out of secondary sports discombobulating and hindering programs (via scheduling and offseeason rules) as well as the ambitious wrestler committed to a strenuous off season itinerary. Thoughts?

A good result from a Tennessee school performing well out of state and the thread details into this...disappointing. Can we just stop for a minute and appreciate a good wrestling squad from Tennessee making a mark up north?

Wrsitbar I can't agree w/ you more w you anymore; I was initially excited when looking at this topic (I got wind of the results Sunday and was disappointed by the fervor generated for what I thought was an unprecedented result), now after reading the last 3 pages I wish I could get the past 5 min of my life back.

After reading through some of the Ohio boards,local chatter up there indicates they think Father Ryan got out of town getting away with murder, read such cliches as, "Moeller and Xaver arent at full strength (football), tournament down, and truth or just excuses of disgruntled populace?

WrestlingGod, look if you can't ingest the basic logic at play or that it is even stupid to introduce a hypotheical alternative for converational sake or amusement i don't know what to tell you buddy

Is Cleveland wrestling for February or are they not as strong this year? And body out besides debien?

I can't mask my surprise, most teams would proudly take 2nd at this tournament but the Cleveland teams of late would  undoubtedly have won this tourney in dominant fashion.  Losing to a WC team in a trad. format this early ultimately doesn't mean much now, but it will in Feb. as WC tries to keep the 'ship in middle tn.  But how accurate of a barometer is this showing, does it indicate a steep fall at an accelerated rate?  Can anyone specify any reason(s) for this showing is it an outlier or have the powers begun shift in Bradley Cty?  

Ryan will muscle out a double digit victory against Wilson Central, but will be dispatching with the wildcats via a make-shift lineup.  The current lineup is by no means the final end product that Coach Simp will unleash in February at the state tournament; it will however be a disciplined, battle-hardened group.  Bonus points are at play here.  Either way good barometer as to where the xollective teams and individuals are at this early juncture in the season.

Btw excuse the ignorance; but anyone out there at the Ryan C-ville match, why did Clarksville give up so many forfeits (why make the trip, and not give JV guys quality matches from the outside looking in Coach Badon missed a good opportunity to provide his guys w/ mat time)?

Middle tn has benefited from an unprecedented degree of population growth resulting in longer comutes and traffic that at times can be bearable at best.  One of the positive attributes of this phenomenon however; is that schools in the area have seen the number of superior athletes available for competition grow as well.  This influx in athletes has proven very beneficial for various sports at a multitude of schools and has been most evident on the gridiron on Friday nights.

An excellent case study for this trend is in Rutherford County which is slowly becoming the cradle of 6A football.   Blackman and Oakland have both been respectable programs in the past, but now seem poised to become permanent powerhouses as 2 of the premier football programs in the state.     

The astute question seems to be how successful will wrestling coaches in these growing communities be in recruiting these athletes to the wrestling mat?  I realize there are multiple factors outside of the wrestling coach's control that could affect his ability to get these guys out (the football coach's attitude toward wrestling and the school culure, etc).  Can wrestling programs in the midstate that have these athletes and an abundance of resources at their disposal (most notably schools in Sumner, Wilson, Williamson, and Rutherford counties) use those provisions to turn the proverbial corner and improve the status and depth of mid-state wrestling?  If so could midstate wrestling eventually replace Chattanooga as the cradle of the sport in the state?.   

The phrase summer wrestling makes winter champions, seems to epitomize and dictate who is standing where on the podium in Feb. more and more.  Coach Gannon year in and year out goes and brings some of the finest wrestling minds and technicians in the world right to our back yard.  

Every aspect of this camp from the quality of the technicians, the atmosphere of respect given to each camper, and the overall being of the camp is worth every penny paid!

The only challenge Coach Gannon has manufactured for himself is to ensure that he can continue to exceed expectations

Fantastic results for a FR team that normally shakes off the inertia of a slow start to the season in mid/late January. I anticipate FR will undoubtedly hit their stride at that point this season as well. W/ Ryan dominating Bradley, and Baylor likewise having similar results at McCallie, it seems there is no question nor should be any doubt, based upon the empirical data at hand as to which division is the MAN division this year. Seems like the traditional d2 tourney will be the hardest crown to capture this year, hopefully Wilson central can rebound to ferment a graceful runner up in the jv division!

Fantastic results for a FR team that normally shakes off the inertia of a slow start to the season in mid/late January. I anticipate FR will undoubtedly hit their stride at that point this season as well. W/ Ryan dominating Bradley, and Baylor l

Great match, the 182 match with the questionable call, might have been the deciding factor,  The announcers were wrong however about these two teams meeting in the finals....Archer will def. have something to say bout that.   But it was reinvigorating to watch these 2 teams go at it!

Ryan wins 32-28

I understand that the T$$AA has established a traveling doctrine that inhibits teams ability to travel up to a certain point, but forgive my ignorance what is the innate purpose of SUV a rule. If Ghouse, or some other authority that has more thorough knowledge of this travel rule: and the the background information for why such a Draconian measure is and ever was implemented I would be more than obliged!

Ryan is scheduled to head up to Ohio this weekend is inclement weather going to effect the itinerary? If the Irish do make the trip how does it look? I think it is a positive factor for this program to go up north to face such staunch competition, I know that CBHS normally goes to Kansas City for a tough tourney and Cleveland is/has gone to a tough North Carolina tourney to face rigid competition; but what other TN teams are climbing the steep proverbial mtn in terms of attending tough out of state tourneys, which garner national recognition?

Maybe because the institution sponsoring such an opportunity is an all male school......

Probably one of the best middle school schedules a person can reasonably find.  Any middle school wrestler interested in fulfilling their potential should give Nashville Catholic a call.  I hear Raymond Dunning will be heavily involved with the program this year, anyone validate that?