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Agree 99%. If the goalie stops it from going in - that's a save - whether he is in the crease, kicks it, whatever. My point was mainly that goalies who face 40 shots against them, and 10 goals are scored, should not get credit for 30 saves if some of those shots are 8 feet from the cage. Some of those shots are never going in. If 20 of those shots would have gone in but the goalie stopped them, that is really 10 saves. That is the one discrepancy. How is a shot just over the top of the pipe on goal? If the goalie just stands and watches it, it is not going in. If he catches it above the pipe, that shouldn't be a save. If the shot would have gone in had the goalie not been there, then that is "on goal". So the goalie stops it - thus a save. So, depending on what is called on or off goal will determine the formula for saves. By the way, many of these goalies discussed are super talented. Sometimes one just has to get out and watch them play. The truth is that some have a better supporting cast around them.

The reason stats are so off from one goalie to another is that the people taking stats are not doing it the same way from team to team. Saves should be calculated as the number of shots "on goal" minus the number of goals. Example: A team takes 25 shots, 15 are on goal, they score 8 - the goalie had 7 saves. But, many teams are giving the goalie 17 saves on this - (making the goalie look like an all-star). However, it is not a save if the ball would not have gone in. A shot that hits pipe is not even on goal. The problem is that most teams count the number of shots, but don't even record which ones are on goal. Therefore, the only way they can calculate goals is the incorrect way. The goalies for teams who are calculating them the right way are unfortunately shown as having poorer stats. Here's an example from Stats Depot: Webb vs. Father Ryan #1 (10-6 Father Ryan) Webb stats say FR took 27 shots, scored 10, thus 17 saves Father Ryan stats say they (FR) took only 18 shots, 13 of which were on goal, so that would mean 3 saves.

Here is Ravenwood's schedule. Maybe not the toughest schedule in the state, but really picking up from last year with the addition of Tower Hill, Lassiter, and Carmel. 2006 RAVENWOOD BOYS LACROSSE SCHEDULE Date Opponent Location 3/05 Houston @Ravenwood 3/08 Mid TN Outlaws @Nashville 3/11 Farragut* @Knoxville, TN 3/12 Carmel, IN @Ravenwood 3/15 USN @Ravenwood 3/21 Centennial @Centennial 3/24 Lassiter, GA @Marietta, GA 3/26 Tower Hill, DE @Cocoa Beach FL 3/27 St. Edwards FL @Cocoa Beach FL 3/28 Timber Creek, FL @Cocoa Beach FL 4/07 Father Ryan @Father Ryan 4/11 Franklin @Ravenwood 4/13 MBA* @Ravenwood 4/19 Webb Bell Buckle* @Ravenwood 4/21 McCallie* @McCallie 4/27 Brentwood @Ravenwood 4/29 Christian Brothers @Ravenwood