Green_Acres

I am taking my kid out of Temple. Maybe she does try and go out and promote the school and tries to make it better, but so far, she has been very unsuccesful in her efforts.

"heck of a job trying to put the pieces back together?" Can you explain what you mean? The way I see it the only pieces they are trying to put back together are the ones that were created when they dropped the vase. Every time they get half of it glued back together, they drop again.

I was shocked to read it in the paper. Maybe the school should start giving out Stephen Hargis' number instead of their own because if anybody at Temple wants to know anything about what is going on, he is the man to call. It does not appear that the decision to drop football was one that was very well thought out. The TSSAA probabtion should have had little to do with the decision. It does not make sense to drop the varsity program and keep the middle school program. Where are the kids going to go play in the ninth grade except at another school?

Well Farmboy, how sweet, you missed me. Now that makes me feel special. I had to change my screen name because people kept connecting "pasture" with "pastor" and I got tired of correcting them. When I picked "pasture" I really was not thinking about the church connection. Do not worry, I will never leave you or forsake you. I will always be right here. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />

How is that I am clueless, yet I predicted before the season started that our boys would make it out of region and go to the state tournament. I am clueless, yet I predicted that it would be CSAS and Temple for the championship game. I was clueless when I said that Temple was going to beat CSAS. Am I clueless because I thought Temple could have won more games during the season than they did. Was I clueless when I posted that Sexton was THE Mr. Basketball, a statement that you obviously agree with? Yes, I was clueless when I said that Temple would beat Union City by a basket at the buzzer. You cannot be right all the time, I guess. I was wondering, how is he going to put basketball back on the map. Three state titles in the last six years, six upset wins at the state, seven(?) trips out of the last eight(?) years or so, and a strong showing at state this year. I could go on but is it not a little clueless to say that he is going to put basketball back on the map? Then there is that baseball thing. If you think Marcum is going to put baseball back on the map, then you are clueless. Baseball has never been on the map to start with and never will unless a committment to it changes. If he was able to put a baseball team on the map, then why did he not do it last year at Silverdale? I would not call a 5-14 record getting put on the map. He may very well be able to put football back on the map even though I did not really think it was taken off the map. I hope he has more success getting the support and backing he needs then the previous coaches did or football will continue its slide off the page. It may be that I may not be as clueless as you would like to believe and you may be more clueless than you care to admit.

Well, no one has ever guessed my identity, though many have tried, but I figured I would go out on a limb and try a guess on yours. Oh well. Regardless of who you are, I do respect your opinion and your well thought out, logical responses. It is hard to keep it short once you get going, is it not? If we do not see eye to eye on every detail, does that necessarily mean that I am wrong because you or others disagree. Could it be that you simply do not get what I am trying to say? Rather than thinking about my perspective objectively, people want to immediately take offense and start attacking me in defense of the coach. I do realize that at times my statements are a little spicy, but I intend for them to be. I like the dialogue. I like honest discussion and if some want to call me names and insult me along the way, I can handle it with a grin and a chuckle. You asked about what I would do different and there really are only a few things that I think would have made the season better. Remember, you asked for it, so do not get worked up whenever you disagree with me. I would not have pulled the basketball players out of the gym to play football. They were a bunch of juniors who, except for Brandon and Jeremy, were seeing their real varsity time. I think that hurt them as to their chemistry and conditioning. While I do agree with the poster who talked about football helping out basketball, it was bad timing and in this particular situation, it hurt and did not help. I also think it illustrates the lack of experience on the coach's part. I would not have called any timeouts after big plays, especially ones that were generating momentum. I saw that many times and I honestly do not know what the strategy is for hamstringing your own team. If you get momentum, the other coach will call a time out for you. There were a number of times that Jeremy Sexton was in motion to the basket and an offensive play would be called. In my opinion, this group of boys do not need a coach to call plays that often, especially when they are actually going to the paint to score. When we played weaker teams that we were expected to beat, I would have left my starters in and made them give me all they had for the first half, regardless of the score and then start taking them out several minutes into the third quarter once the momentum was established again. You have to get in your opponents head and take away his hope and resolve. Did you notice that earlier in the season when we would get up on someone quick in the first quarter, that Jeremy Sexton would get pulled? Did you notice that later in the season When we would get up on someone quick in the game, the boys would slow it down? I would have worked harder at getting the players mentally prepared for games. I did think our boys were well prepared physically for each game, just not mentally. I think you know as well as I that mental preparation is really more important than physical preparation. Someone who can out think his opponent and get in his head can beat him even if the other is more athletic. I would have saved my discipline for practices. If someone makes a mistake in the game, I would not sit him down unless he just does not have it. There were too many times that our best players were sitting on the bench during games because they were not doing things that way the coach wanted them done but it was not hurting the game. It hurt the team more for them to sit on the bench. I understand that you want players to buy into what ever system you have, but save the discipline issues for after the game. That is what pracitce is for. I understand that you need to pull a player if he is hurting the team and its chances of winning but just pull him, explain what he did wrong, and get him back in the game. I would have been more careful to control my emotions and act like an adult. I heard about and have seen for myself too many screaming fits, temper tantrums, kicking kids out of practice, out of the gym, getting in people's faces, etc. Just so you know I was at the Grace footbal game briefly, but long enough to see the shouting match with Kell, and was in ear shot of the away Grace basketball game when he said something hateful to an assistant coach. Now I honestly did not hear what he said but from his demeanor and tone, it was an inappropriate way to address anyone. I would have believed and coached my team like they were the most talented, best team in the state and never have allowed myself to ever to be overheard saying that the team is just not very good or we will never be able to beat them (not direct quotes). One of my favorite basketball movies is "Glory Road" and one of my favorite scenes is where Rupp says that basketball is just about putting the ball in the basket. That is not entirely true, is it? Whereas, you may have been looking for me to tell you more nuts and bolts, fundamentals, what I would have done differently, the truth is I would not have done much differently at all as far as the basics. He did a wonderful job in those categories. My philosophies, strategies, and people skills would have been different and I think it would have made a difference from the beginning. Thank you for the statements you made in your two most recent posts, agreeing that Temple had talent and also that this year was a learning experience for the coaches and players. Are you not basically saying the same thing I was, just in a different way and maybe not as direct? People were talking like Temple had no talent other than Jeremy, that we were not going to make it out of region, and that we had the best coaches in the region, or the state. I have said all along that the team was very talented, that we were going to state, and recently, that the coaches could have done a better job if they had more experience. By the way, one area among many that we disagree on is that being tall does mean you are talented. People have been posting on here for the last couple of years actually about how untalented Carter was and Grace does not have 3 DI players. If you are from Grace, it is easy to entertain yourself with those ideas but Brandon Herman looks to be the only DI player derived purely from skill. Carter went DI because of his height but take six inches off him and his best hope is juco. Patrick is in the same boat. He is a good hustler but, take away six inches... Yes, I know, you disagree. No problem.

Coach, I tried to reply and answer your quick questions and respond to what really were not quick questions but a diatribe. Every time I did my reply was turning out to be more of a diatribe than your original post. Would it help if I just said "Congratulations on leading a mediocre, low talented team so far this season?" "No one thought they would make it out of region, including you, but my compliments on making it to the first round of the state tournament." Does that make it better and take away some of the sting? By the way, I did not think the coaching staff did a poor job of coaching, actually, they did a good job of coaching for a group of kids who had no real coaching experience. I think the one coach, the older one, may have had some real experience, I do not know. However, I did think, from watching good coaches at Temple coach over the past so many years, that a more experienced coach would have had his team better prepared for games. It is just my honest opinion. I was taking a different opinion than the original poster who said that team was well prepared. I have seen well prepared Temple teams in the past, and this year's team was not a well prepared team to me and that falls on the coach. If you think they were well prepared, then we disagree and that is okay. We had way too much talent and ability to lose as many games as we did during the season and lose in the first round of the state tournament. I personally thought that Temple was better than all the other teams at state this year. I think a coach who had coached at the Murphy Center before would have done a better job preparing his team. There is no way a first year head coach can transform an untalented group of players into a state tournament caliber team when he is in his first year of any real coaching, especially when he has never coached a winning team in his few short years of trying. I thought all this was obvious, but maybe I am living in some far out fantasy world for pointing out what seemed to me to be right in front of your face. I was trying to insult or put down, just put things in perspective.

So, are you saying that Grace and CSAS, whose coaches have been in the saddle for 20 years each, were outcoached by a 27 year old kid who, has only been coaching for four years or so, coached Silverdale's baseball team to 5-14 record last year, Temple's football team to a 2-8 record this year, and is coaching varsity basketball for the first time ever? Does it sound reasonable to you that he has the ability to take low talent level teams and cause them to play beyond their ability, something he has never done before that we know of? Is that what you are saying? What I am saying is that the team under achieved because they did have the coaching to bring out of them what they were really capable of. I am not saying that Caleb did not do a good job this year, I am saying the team should have done better, and I think a seasoned, experienced, veteran coach would have accomplished more. Am I wrong?

Dadoffour, Were you not the same poster who was predicting a blow out win by CSAS over Temple for the Region Championship (14 points, was it?)? I predicted Temple would win that game, so when I talk about coaching ability and what our players are capable of, you should listen. Do you remember our girls basketball team last year? They went to substate, one game shy of where our boys attained this year. Did they make it to the sectional last year because their coach was such a good coach or because the team had such good talent? Did they lose at substate because they were just not good enough to go any farther or should they have at least hosted a game rather than travel (as they did the previous year), and should they have made it at least to the state semi-finals? If you say that they should have made it farther than they did, then why did they end up going home early? I will let you and the rest of the people, who think they know what they are talking about, think about that - if you can - for a while before I post anymore. (Just a quick side note, most better than average coaches give their team the credit when they win and take the responsibility for the team's losses for not having their team prepared well enough to win. It has been Dan Wadley's philosophy, also. So, when I do not jump on the bandwagon saying Caleb is a "heckuva" coach, when he blames his players for the losses, maybe you understand why and try to get where I am coming from and that I am just being honest about how I see things. I thought message boards were designed for honest discussion and dialogue)

Sure, I am thrilled to have a coach who led his team to a place he was not even planning on going. Sounds more like an accident than on purpose to me. Like I said, what success the team had was in spite of the coaching. You probably should sharpen up your reading comprehension skills. What you should have gotten out of my post was that I knew Temple could have had a better season and I am disappointed that they did not show, on paper, how good they really were and that I thought better coaching would have opened the door for people to see how good Sexton and company really are. For all the accolades, few really grasped how good Temple really is. Just so you know, I am not bitter, I am just being realistic and expressing my unbiased, objective point of view. You should try it some time. Surely, I am not the only Temple fan brave enough to post what I really think... You sound like you might be one of the coaching staff or family who is taking offense to the obvious.

I have been around Temple sports for a long time and I know a lot more about it then you think. There were better coaches available who would have gladly taken the job. Marcum is making plenty of money, and there are plenty of other coaches who would not mind having his paycheck. Temple is not lucky to have Marcum. Marcum is lucky to have a daddy on staff at HPBC who made sure he got paid plenty and ensures his job security. What you saw on the court Wednesday was a young, inexperienced coaching staff enjoying the fruits of better, previous coaches like Wadley and Skogen. This team accomplished a lot in spite of the coaching. What I saw on Wednesday was more of the same coaching inexperience that we have suffered through all season long. Temple should have won on Wednesday and it was a lack of know how on the coaches' part on how to get them ready for the game. All season long, every time Temple got momentum going, the coach called a time out and took them out of rhythm. Temple played out of rhythm all season long and it was the coach's doing. The players know it is true. They have played for better coaches and they know the difference. If you know anything about basketball, especially Temple basketball, then you know that it was the coaching that hurt us. Think about it, with the exception of Jarrod Johnson, this is the same group of boys who have been mowing through JV teams since the ninth grade together. If you think they accomplished something this year, then you really do not understand what they really were capable of under better coaching. You go ahead and be satisfied with a first round loss. I know they could have been going home with another gold ball tomorrow. Say what you want, but you never tell your team to pack up their bags when they are getting ready to go play in the first round. Pay for the hotel room another night and plan on enjoying another day at the tournament. What kind of message do you think that sent to the players? I do not care how good other coaches think Marcum is or what an idiot you think I am, I know how good these boys really are and it is about time that their coaches open up their eyes. You people amaze me at your ignorance. Marcum did not think Temple would ever beat CSAS or Grace, ever! He did not even put it in his budget to go to the state tournament, even though people were telling him we were going since the beginning of the season. Why sit here and feel good about under achieving? The coaches were hoping that Grace won in the regional semis because they did not think they could beat CSAS. The boys wanted CSAS to win because they knew they could beat CSAS in the championship game. You guys keep living in your sanitary world and keep accepting sup par as a standard. After next year. it will be a long time before Temple ever makes it out of region again.

You David Brainerd people need to get a grip on reality. Why do you continue to overestimate your worth? Temple has several good kids that did not play last year that will give them a much better team than last year, especially since they do not lost hardly anyone. They will not be good enough to compete for fourth place, but they will be good enough to beat Copper Basin and David Brainerd again. One thing in Temple's favor is that they will be able to start off this next season without all the turmoil and drama. I agree that Silverdale will probably finish second this year.

Zone, I love the modifications you made to your tag. I guess you had a little time on your hands during basketball season? /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

If Temple is a one man band, then why couldn't UC stop him. I would think you would at least hold him to, say, 19 points? But no, the one man show scored his second highest career number of points on who? Hmmm.... We based our opinion on having seen Jeremy play since he was in ninth grade. Jeremy did what he always does, in every game. Normally, there are other players who step up and score more than they did on Wednesday, but not much more. James Kemp is normally in double digits but I think he was scared?

Coach Marcum did not even believe Temple would make it to the state tournament and he had them pack their bags and check out of the hotel Wednesday before the game. He was planning on playing baseball already this past week. The coaching staff did not believe Temple could beat Grace or CSAS. I know it sounds mean but these boys did what they did in spite of the coaching. Marcum did more to hold this team back from what they really could accomplish. An experienced, veteran coach would have gotten a win Wednesday. He will grow and learn, hopefully.