Blackhawk77
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Indy: Does mess mean this? Returning; 3rd year starting QB,four Starters on O-Line (two play d-line too), two Starters on D-Line (not the two who played o-line), S/WR/KR/K Ty Stannard (72 total takles last year/ led with 51 solo's), hiring a new great deff. cord, and adding a new offensive scheme that doesnt involve passing 99.9% of the time.
YOU DON'T WANT YOUR STARTING SAFETY MAKING THAT MANY TACKLES. This shows how bad the guys are in front of him.
The QB is good. I'll give ya that. The rest of the players are indeed returning. That should be exciting to know to see how poorly they did last year. Guess what? The Detroit Lions are returning most of their guys as well. I'm sure the Motor City is thrilled. Sometimes returning players can be a bad thing.
As far as hiring a great defensive coordinator, you are insane! This guy was retired for a reason. The principal is hiring these nutz in order to sabotage the football program. Once they fall flat on their face Eubanks will be asked to leave.
Fans only see the "star" status. Eubanks, Kevin Dyson, Darryl Hammond, and the new D-cord all sound flashy together. If the season goes belly up, fans will say look at what all the principal gave Eubanks and they still didn't do anything. These coaches aren't as good as their names may make them seem.
I hope I am wrong. Good luck to Eubanks. He's one of the classy guys out there.
Wow..as a centenial fan u are NOT entitled to compare Indy to the detroit lions, maybe the history of centenial football could draw the comparison to the lions recent history
indy had a young team last yr and high school athletes get bigger and stronger during the offseason thats why its hyped when they have so many guys returning with experience.
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Wish Indy the best in 2009, but some of the additions may not be so great. Some friends of mine say that Hammond is great with the kids, but Dyson is the complete oppositie. I was told he wasn't very committed during his time at Glencliff. He showed only when he wanted too. This is something Independence doesn't need. I hope Dyson will be more committed to Indy this year than he was to Glencliff last year.
All star athletes do not always make great coaches. (I'm not saying he won't. too early to tell)
ha well i would not have put too much time into coaching at glencliff either
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Germantown not only had a team in it, they WON it by beating R'dale 10-7. This was during the stretch of R'dale being in the Blue Cross Bowl like 6 years straight. I really cannot see why folks in West Tn are totally overlooking Germantown. They have the chance to totally dominate West Tn football at any minute. Coach there is solid and produces solid teams in the past. They are like Lincoln County in that they can rear up and bite you at any time.
Dickson is also a team that can bite folks if they are taken for granted. They have proved this by being one of the few schools that have beaten R'dale AT R'dale during their dominating streak in the old 5A.
what year did they win it? 03 maybe?
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Started this post awhile back in hopes of clear-eyed analysis of 6A state-wide. I agree with and understand most of what's been said about my own end of things (east), but am left in a fog on the mid-state. Basically, it sounds like any 6A south of Vanderbilt is just ferocious. Can anybody offer some systematic analysis beyond, "I think my team is the best?"
Outside of some personal back and forth that doesn't make sense to the rest of us, haven't heard much from 6A in the west. Will the Memphis area field a serious contender? Who? Why? Can anyone tell us who, if anyone in the last 10 years, has won in the old 5A outside of Middle Tennessee?
the way it sounds is the way it is. 6a football south of vandy is as u said ferocious, whoever makes it out of williamson county and whoever makes it out of rutherford county will be in the state game. its the way it has been in the past and i dont see it changing anytime soon. i think the last time east tn had a team in the state game was in 05 when ravenwood beat them, a williamson county team, and i cant even remember the last time west tn had a team in the big game.
some of the wilco teams to look at:
franklin - has two great running backs returning from last years team. they lost their qb from last yr not sure who the new one will be
independence - has a good team lead by qb alex heckman who got indy to the state game when he was a sophmore. the schedule is definately a tough one playing oakland, MBA, hillsboro, along with the other williamson schools.
brentwood - has an experienced group of skill players from a team that got to the 3rd round of the playoffs last yr before losing to franklin who went to the state game. most if not all those guys returned
ravenwood - always has a good team that is capable of winning a title
but anyway whoever emerges from this group should be in the state game from the west, they have had it on lockdown for a majority of this decade.
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Both teams scored on their first posession. Indy went down the field throwing just 2 times and scored. The running game looks pretty good for just a hand full of practices. Page gained 40 yards on its first 2 plays (passes) but then stalled out until its next to last play when they threw a TD pass. Indy outmanned the Patriots and moved the ball consistently with its ones. Page played hard and should be good in its region. Indy picked off 5 passes I think. All in all it was good for both teams to play against someone other than themselves. The scrimmage vs. Blackman will be a good test against a bigger school.
who were the running backs for indy?
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Actually Tuesday was their first practice. I've observed 2 of the practices and offensively they look pretty good considering they have put in a new scheme and there are some new coaches. Looking forward to see them scrimmage Page and Blackman. Still a long way to go, but they seem to be catching on to the changes.
i noticed a Kevin Dyson listed on indys roster of assistant coaches on the school web site. This wouldnt happen to be the former titan would it????
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You can definately tell the difference between the class of the Overton fans on here and the class of the Franklin fans on here. Franklin won the first game and the Overton fans made no excuses and congratulated Franklin on a great game. They looked forward to last nights game. Overton wins round two and Franklin fans get on here and make excuses and blame it on the umps.
Both teams seem to be fairly even as both games were very close. Congrats to both as both with more than likely represent the district.
haha and when indy beat franklin, they make the excuses of that we changed the date of the game on them which we did...but if they were all they think they are they would have won regardless.
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The stats still don't lie no matter what kind of lame excuses you throw out there. They are meaningless to you because ya'll don't have anybody in them. Your coach probably don't want to send them in because he is embarrased. Who was predicted to win the district? Who was predicted to finish near the bottom? Which team has underachieved and which team has overachieved? Franklin's uniforms even look better than Indy's! Franklin is better than Indy at every position, they hit for better ave. and have more power. I hope we meet in the tourney too but we don't have to have our ace, we can win with our #5. Why? Because stats don't lie, Franklin is just better.
Well i was giving u the benefit of the doubt by hoping ur ace would be on the mound if we play u again, that way u cant b!!!tch about it when u lose ... like every other franklin player, coach, or fan did when the game was rescheduled. And u really think ur better at every postition? Im not even going to take the time and argue with you ur ridiculous.
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(This is for IndyEagle09 also) Hitting for average: Franklin-3 players in top 10
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Triples: Franklin-1 player in top 5
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Doubles: Franklin-1 player in top 5
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RBI's Franklin-2 players in top 15
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Runs Scored Franklin-1 player in top 10
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Stolen Bases Franklin-2 players in the top 5
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ERA Franklin-2 pitchers in top 10
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Strikeout leaders Franklin-1 pitcher in top 7
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Scared to play originally scheduled game Franklin-0
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County stats from Wmson AM 4-21-09 Stats don't lie! Does Indy have any players that are any good?
Franklin is not only a better hitting team than Indy they're better all the way around including the coaching.
District standings-Franklin in 1st place, Indy looking up.. I think you get the picture. No shot to win District and very little chance they will do anything in the tourny.
Coaches have to send stats like this into media outlets like this and indy coach moore has never paid that much attention to sending them in....but dang it must stink to have to resort to saying "our player hit more doubles than yours did" or any of the stats you listed.. they are meaningless stats...hence why our coach doesnt take the time to send them in. The stat that matters is in the win collumn where we split the series. hopefully we will play each other in the district tourney with both teams having their ace on the mound, then we will see who the real team is.
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excuses, excuses, and excuses.
And even more excuses, thats all you seem to have.
This last years page and Indy stuff is getting boring, you asked a question about what did Neel and Lankford do for page, I simply answered the question for you, sorry if it rubbed you wrong, but the way i look at it, if you cant handle the answer, dont ask the question. so could we please get back to the FUTURE of indy
Excuses? Try fact that other than the six that played the year prior none of the guys had played varsity before. And as someone else said no one here at indy cares about playing page were looking at a bigger picture, congratulations to your milestone.
And the question i asked earlier... you replied with well these guys won us a scrimmage and beat centenial. come on dude come up with something better than that. If thats all you have then do not say your players are individually more talented then ours because the indy guys i refered to have done bigger and better things.
Now thats all im saying on this whole page indy topic.
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This last years page and Indy stuff is getting boring, you asked a question about what did Neel and Lankford do for page, I simply answered the question for you, sorry if it rubbed you wrong, but the way i look at it, if you cant handle the answer, dont ask the question. so could we please get back to the FUTURE of indy.
yeah i did ask a question and others commented on it as well and i felt inclined to comment back on what they had to say.
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This proves what I have been saying the whole time. Why is Eubanks supposedly fighting for his job when it seems even players and students understand that Indy was going to have a down year. Hopefully this year will be better. I don't understand why it is so hard for some people to show other school a little respect and sportsmanship and simply abmit that on that particular day Page was better they beat us no excuses and we need to get better. That will make all of us better players, better team, and better individuals in the long run. Now can we please discuss Indy 2009 season and not last year.
Never said eubanks is fighting for his job, hes a great coach I played for the guy.
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A little defensives about the facts, huh, kodak or nikon its all good to me!!!!
And what else do you need to make a complete team when indy had 65 - 70 (5a) players? Page only had 37 (3a)lesser caliber players, please explaine you logic
yeah indy has alot of players but when only 5 or 6 that got playing time the year before return leaving the other 60+ to not have any or no little experience it makes it a REBUILDING year and they dont have a complete team. besides those players that did return didnt play alot in the game due to having a scrimmage with mba the next day due to the page scrimmage getting rescheduled to be the day before that. This was a supposed to be pages big year having the senior class they had and the score of this scrimmage was only 14-7 when our few experienced players barely played.
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ha, ha, ha, ha your funny and dont know anything about it, I too was at the scrimmage for your starting qb to have only taken a few snaps he didnt do very well, 1 fumble 1 pic for a td. hes the only one to have any rushing yrds which was minimal, he did alot for only a few snaps! and the other players you mention I know them too they were there for at least 50 snaps also, you might want include the off cord to watch the film with you. oh yea eubanks is looking for a new one of those too I heard, I wonder why, and by the way "we did beat you" you are obviously not a player, if you were you would have some heart and be pi$$ed about the loss, not laughing about it. you sound like a wanna be at indy, whos a nobody. this will be the last time I replie to your foolishness. you brought out the worst in me.
To the 09 players at Indy I wish you success this season!!! unfortunatly some of your NON-student athletes embarrass your program.
Another thing... indy scrimmaged mba the next day. Thats why alot of the indy starters did not play a whole lot. Its really kind of hard to judge who the better team is based on that ( 2 series i believe it was that a majority of the starters played). Play indy in an entire game the outcome can be different. Indy has been known for beating teams in the fourth quarter or late in the game on several occasions. They did it alot in the 07 season and beat lincoln county on a last second field goal last year. not to mention that some indy players were probably looking to playing mba in a scrimmage the next day rather than worrying about playing page in a scrimmage. Absolutely, none of the indy guys the other guy mention played 50 snaps. this is false.
Lastly, you guys beating us in a scrimmage that our starters played no more than a few series is not going to change the fact that some people are going to trivialize your program and the fact that it apparently just made your season by beating us in that scrimmage(that our best players hardly played) and beating centennial kind of justifies why people do this and think oh..."we r playing page haha"...because this was the highlight of your season. So quit pulling the we beat you in a meaningless scrimmage its getting old and giving you less respect.
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And again I will say that Page had Neel playing out of position out of necessity. Neel is not a QB and he will tell you that. He is an athlete and as far as athleticism much better that Smith or Heckman. heckman is the better QB and to some stint a better leader but to say Neel would not have started a RB and Safety is rediculous unless you just let True 4.55 or better players ride the bench. Indy does have some athletes I am just saying for some to get on here and bash the coaching staff for last season is nutz. We were inexperienced and young and in 5A that usually equates to losses. It is not the game planning or the coaching. Other schools had more mature athletes.
Yeah i agree indy could have used someone like neel at rb last year, but him starting at those positions would not have made him the best player on the team, which i thought you were trying to say in your first post i responded to. for example take tebow and harvin last year at fl. i would say tebow was the better football player however harvin was faster and more athletic. (in this analogy heckman like tebow and harvin like neel just to clear up anyone not understanding and making some off the wall post)
and yeah agreed that it wasn't the coaching staff's fault. They didnt have a complete team last year and were unsuccessful as i have said in two other posts on here.
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I read the Indy posts and will always support the Indy team, I know many of the players that came from Page middle that are now at Indy. however I am a proud supporter of Page and when some fool comes on here and puts down Page players I must respond.
You say that Indy had a handfull of better players than Neel, Lankford, and Wisdom I would be suprised, if they did they sure didnt show up at the scrimmage these two teams played. Oh, and yes I know it was only a scimmage but those 3 players from Page showed up and Indy new it when it was over.
Now you bring up Heckmans stats of 07, I dont know him personaly but I do know hes the real deal and congrats to him on his ability and from what Ive heard his work ethic too. but were entering the 09 season, the state semi finals of 07 is yesterdays news. you really need to move on there was no destiny there.
And you ask what did Neel, Lankford, and I will include Wisdom on this, do for Page, they Brought home a win agianst Cenntenial somthing your handfull of better athletes couldnt do, are you sure you still want to talk about our 3a team that plays lesser competiion. Wait lets use your ignorant way of thinking an say that we didnt play the same team you did, thats a good excuse.
You might want to think again before you come on here and make yourself out to be a bigger moron than you normally are by putting down other players from other schools
Good luck Indy this coming season!!!
Read every post before you respond... (really just the one I responded to).
Someone appeared to be downing indy players by saying that the three page players were better than ANY indy player last year, which is not the case. Yeah i said indy had a "handful of players" that were better than your three and the guys i listed are, but no indy did not have a complete team so they were not successful last year and did not win the scrimage or beat centennial which apparently just made your season. The 4-5 players i talked about do not make a team i was just saying talent for talent they were better.
And what part about what i said about the page three did i say wasnt true???
neel would have not ever played at indy as a qb over heckman or smith and wisdom was on indys team and never played alot so he left...thats just the way it is.
yeah i talked about heckman's stats because they are very impressive, a sophmore that puts up almost 400 yds in a semi finals game in 5A is something to be talked about. I guarantee you no page player put up those kind of numbers in the "kodak moment" centenial win or the scrimage against us. that is why i contradicted the other guy's statement by saying that these page players were not better than all of indy's players.
p.s. if you want me to talk about some of the other indy guy's i listed that are better i can i just dont want to make this post longer than it needs to be.
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Interesting since they just went to the state championship two seasons ago! Totally discredits what you are saying. There are enough there to win. Best of luck to Indy except one week /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />
Indy graduated about 30 guys from the team that went to the state title game two years ago, which left about five or six guys from that team back last year, that actually played. That made it a rebuilding year and they are not going to win alot of games with that many returning players in this region.
There really wasn't enough there to win last year because a majority of the guys had not played exclusively on varsity before.
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This may be the most ignorant statement yet. Neel, Lankford, and Wisdom that played for Page were more talented than any player that Indy had last year. The pitcher for Page (Garrett)? that came from Indy is a legit D-I prospect and would be the best pitcher on Indy's team. The reason that so many kids transfer from Indy is one of 3 reasons: 1-there is a huge drug problem at Indy and parents want there kid away from that. 2-A lot of the athletes at Indy feel they do not get a fair shot due to school/parent politics 3-they get in trouble and think they will get away with it at Page (these are usually sent back at the break.)
Indy is just simply not as talented as all you mommies and daddies think they are. Eubanks does an outstanding job. I talked to a teacher at Page the other day and he started talking about all the problems Page used to have with drugs and the kids not doing what they are supposed to do, and parents not parenting, and just the over all lack of discipline that Page students had 4-5 years ago. He says it has been an amazing change and the only thing that happened was Independence opened up. Now I find it interesting to see Independence is suffering from that same attitude. See when Indy opened Page struggled athletically for 2-3 years but the whole school atmosphere improved. Now they get athletes coming from Indy wanting to be a part of that atmosphere. Good kids with good attitudes and discipline want to be around others that have those same qualitites. Apparently the bad kids and bad attitudes and lack of parenting really overshadows the good kids at Independence. You can say what you want but the fact are the facts. I feel that the administration, teachers, and coaches at Indy are at a disadvantage because of the sucky attitudes of many of the students that filters from the parents. I have even talked to Independence teachers and they agree. That is why there is such a huge turn over every year in teachers at Indy. That is why there has been one scandal after another. If anything Eubanks should be rewarded for showing these kids stability, commitment, and loyalty.
Drew Bryant is an example of a Page baseball player that didnt make the cut at Indy after his freshmen year and went to page to play baseball. However I agree with you that Gross is a good player but he did try out as a freshmen at indy and prob didnt make it for one of your reasons stated. (politics behind who the coaches like)
Now to say neel langford and wisdom were better than any Indy player last year is a bit overboard. None of these players would have ever saw consistent playing time at indy till their senior year. Wisdom was third string at best sometimes fourth string while he was at indy and went to page cuz he never played, oh wait yeah he did...he was the kick returner..sorry forgot.
There were a handfull of players that were on indy's team for the 08 season that were better than those three. Heckman indy's qb for example would be one of them, as a sophmore he put up nearly 400 yards of offense by himself in the semifinals game against milington 350 passing 40 running and got his team to the state finals in 5A. What has neel or langford done for page (reminder it would have been in 3A against lesser competition)? Terone shepard, cameron williams, thomas berry, would all be better than the three you stated. neel would not have ever played at indy at qb over even nick smith.
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Centennial scoring 35 points in a game? Thats quite the prediction. Not sure if they have ever scored that many in a game in the last few years.
Where is the talent at? U do have a "talented" tight end that has only two catches in two games. He sure is tearing it up. Indy has "talent" too. We take our "talent" to the state championship not on a losing streak for an extended period of time. Im tired of the "talent" card u guys pull every year but don't win anything with it.
On another note, Indy scored 21 on a very good BA defense. Scoring more than 14 points should be no problem on centennial.
Not sure what would give Centennial the idea to be over confident going into a game either.
prediction 28-7 INDY
35? Try 37. And I think that talented tight end just caught another TD pass......
Well theres a first time for everything. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Gameday, from what I hear there's alot of hype at CHS for this one, and the players are looking at this as a huge statement game. No prediction, but here's how CHS can win this game.
1. Establish the Running Game: One of the biggest improvements from last year was in this aspect. We put up 150 against Indy last year, and we will need a similar performance to keep us in the game. Last week, we fell behind early and as a result really abandoned the run. Our O-line needs to stick their assignments and give Tony and Raymond just enough room to make a play. Once the run is established, we can try to catch Indy sleeping by opening it up and go for some of those big plays.
2. Defense: The Run D is Still a concern for the Cougars, but at the end of the Page game, the run defense was what allowed us to come back. If the front 7 can play the way they played those last 2 quarters, then this can keep us in the game. We all know what Pettigrew did to us last year, that cannot happen for the Cougars to have a chance. The secondary were nothing short of brilliant last year versus the Eagles, shutting both Smith and Heckman down. That being said, no Allante or Will Hunt back there this year, so It's time for guys like Tony Kemp, TJ Leach, and Tim Harris to step up on D.
3. Pressure Heckman: The kid is mobile and has a pretty good arm, which is why we need to put pressure on him. Last year, we were on top of both him and Smith all night, and as a result the passing game was subpar. The front 4 has really done well at establishing the pass rush this season. We need to get Heckman out of the pocket and either force him to make a bad throw or to beat us with his legs.
4. Limit mistakes: We had a chance to go up 26-6 on Indy last year. But a stupid penalty negated an INT return for a TD and Tim Harris was WIIIIIIIDE open in the endzone before misreading the throw. Both of those drives stalled out without points. We can't make those rookie mistakes and expect to have a chance. Other things like dropped passes, missed tackles, and bad snaps eventually doomed us. If we have another 4 turnover performance like last week, this one will not even be close. However, if we focus and execute, then we are in the game.
And last and most importantly....you have to believe. It's become a big theme of this thread over the past few days. In order for a team to win, they must BELIEVE they can win. If a team walks out on the field thinking they'll lose, they will without a doubt lose. But if a team walks out on that field with intensity and a sense of purpose, they will at least have a chance to win. To any CHS fan or player that reads this, you CAN win this game. We know what you guys are capable of doing. Your teammates, Your Classmates, Your supporters; We are all behind you and we all have faith in you. I don't care if you're playing Indy, Page, Franklin, or whoever. We BELIEVE you can win the game. No matter what people say or what the scoreboard says, always keep the faith. The results will follow.
I don't know If I'll be there tonight, and If I am you know I will compete to be the loudest guy there. But regardless...the following is for the Team, The Coaches, Coach Mat and his family, the faculty, the staff, the Parents, the CHS community, the Alumni, the Supporters, the Doubters, The Optimists, The Pessimists, the 73-6 predictions, those who don't consider me a true fan, the demons of the past, the excitement of the present and future, and the ENTIRE Tennessee High SchoolFootball Community....
WE BELIEVE!!!! C-C-CHS!!!!
Just a thought, last year when u guys got "pressure" on our QB, u do realize that most of our pass plays were screen plays and the idea is to let the defensive line go.
On another note, 73-6? the godlike Page Patriots couldnt even beat Centennial that bad so how could Indy possibly do it. LOL
28-7 Indy
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That was my point. I say the talent is there because it is. The point is, talent is nothing if you don't execute, something CHS is not doing right now. Do you really believe Appalachian State had more talent than Michigan? Or did Stanford really have more talent than USC? If you think so, then you are ignorant. But the underdogs won because they EXECUTED while the other team didn't. They looked sharp while the other team was sloppy and casual. THAT is why the game is played on the field, and why any team can win on any given night.
My point is, if CHS shows up, makes no mistakes, and executes their gameplan, then they have a great chance of winning this game. If we come out with no intensity, miss blocking assignments, miss tackles, turn the ball over, etc. then Indy will probably win in a landslide. It all depends on what team shows up.
Don't even begin to compare your losing to the likes of USC losing to Stanford or Michigan losing to Appy State. Michigan and USC are winning programs that are not expected to lose. Centennial is a losing program that is expected to lose.
If you guys feel that you are talented because you have a fast quarterback that can hardly throw the ball and a few other fast players, then go ahead think that, its just funny to the rest of region 6-5A.
I will give you guys credit for having a good tight end, if u had a qb that could throw he would be all state. However one talented player doesnt make a team as we can tell by your 0 and 2 record and Centennial's continual losing record every season.
28-7 IHS
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well my cougars came out a little flat and possibly a little unermotivated and overconfident that they were just gonna stroll through the game and pick up a W. however i see this weeks game fairing a little different from last week, CHS is gonna get its pep back after a good week of practice and put to 'em!!
my pick is CHS35 INDY14
we just have too much talent
Centennial scoring 35 points in a game? Thats quite the prediction. Not sure if they have ever scored that many in a game in the last few years.
Where is the talent at? U do have a "talented" tight end that has only two catches in two games. He sure is tearing it up. Indy has "talent" too. We take our "talent" to the state championship not on a losing streak for an extended period of time. Im tired of the "talent" card u guys pull every year but don't win anything with it.
On another note, Indy scored 21 on a very good BA defense. Scoring more than 14 points should be no problem on centennial.
Not sure what would give Centennial the idea to be over confident going into a game either.
prediction 28-7 INDY
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where is the game thursday IHS or Lavergne?
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Maybe Millington should try looking for a bunch of DBs after the way INDY torched their secondary in the semi finals game last postseason, instead of looking for a RB.
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alright im still not following u on the detroit comparison...detroit never won a game and finished last in their division while indy won 4 games and finished 5th out of 8.. heck i dont know maybe ur comparing the qbs wearing the number 7, indys qb wears it and stafford wore it in college but that is about all that u can compare with the 2 teams
and why are u upset? no team is gonna have a successful year (refering to last yr) after they lose that many players from the yr before. they had about 6-7 guys that returned with what u would consider playing experience the rest of the guys r were young i.e sophmores and juniors that hadnt played varsity, so give them a shot before u write them off