kbrks

18 hours ago, bigchief said:

agree completely. Eliminate  the  participation trophy

3 divisions with minimal number of teams in each, looks like only 1 game in all 3 divisions pits a 1st round game where both teams have winning records along with multiple byes in IIA and IIAAA and these are called playing for "state championships"...SMH

What happened to all the people who was crying about CPA kicking everybody's bootys in basketball and football? I'm a Cpa fan and I just thought about this and kind of thought it was funny because I haven't seen anything about it on the boards.

Simple, because it was a myth perpetuated by the CPA faithful that the only reason people were complaining was because they were jealous and haters of all the success as opposed to the actual truth - that people were genuinely opposed to how the boys basketball program was operating.  Now that all indications show all programs are now operating within the rules, the topic is pretty much mute.  That is one reason.  Another CPA myth debunked by truth. 

Another reason is most likely related to moving out of Division I to Division II now that the CPA "mission" statement, after all those years, has changed... And just when I thought I might get through a basketball year without the need to post, oh so close...

...Oatsvall might be the best qb that the school has ever had in its storied history

Congrats to both teams on another classic game...If I heard correctly, Jeremiah Oatsvall entered the game holding down 9 school records, after the game he now holds 20 school records.  I will miss watching both he and TC for MBA play, two exciting players, wish them the best in their college careers.

Bitter and condescending party of two your table is ready.

Who did you end up having dinner with Playerscoach or did you have a enough bitter and condescending to simply dine alone?  Personally, I am willing to "dine" with disagreement and hard truth...

It's always someone else isn't it coach. Lol

If it is true, it is true, like it or not...

MBA because of TC... 

As I have observed your posts, the way you post, the words you use, etc. I gain great confidence if I simply choose the opposite side I am in good shape.  Too often you simply try to "bait" and then it becomes your opinion over any logic, reason, fact, truth, etc.  And the use of all those Lol's...a tell tale sign indeed...

I replied in anger because you are a former CPA bible teacher and you mocked CPA's motto "To God Alone Be The Glory" in your post.

You misjudged my use of the phrase...

Ok... I hate to make another non MBA vs. BA post on this thread, but I feel like I have to say something...

 

Well bcd I guess if you "feel like you have to say something..." then it must be OK to make a post not exactly related to the original thread.  Sounds similar to "taking the high road but..."  You like to give advice, maybe you can receive some.  If you are going to give yourself that freedom, allow others the same even when it is a dissenting view.  If not and maybe it is just me, seems inconsistent and could be viewed as hypocritical.  Now, we wouldn't want that now would we...

Related to the game, I take BA.  Obviously, a toss-up, either team has the potential to win and many are looking forward to a rematch of last year's championship classic.  No secret TC is a phenom, gets in the open field and no one is catching him, so MBA's run game could control the game.  But I like BA because:

1.  Though possible, hard to see TC repeating his regular season performance vs. BA

2.  Young offensive line has had time to improve throughout the season

3.  BA has more offensive weapons

4.  JO was not only the MOP in last year's state championship football game, but has been the MOP in the last 2 state championship basketball game.  This shows he has an X factor, the ability to rise up and be his best and lead his team in the biggest of games.  No sense in betting against him in this one.  Which is why anyone who would even imply that he left CPA and FRA due to concerns he could not compete and win the QB job at either simply does not know the truth.

Looking forward to watching another classic, could come down which team has the ball last.  

Coach....I just urge you kindly to consider more of the knowledgeable posts and less negative CPA jabs.

I appreciate the sentiment and spirit of the request, very refreshing.  I have my reasons for why I post,  I have explained why in the past and not related to bitterness, though I get why people think it does.  There are certain things I am for and against related to HS sports and I don't believe my personal experiences as a coach, for or against, disqualify me from posting on certain topics.  CPA happens to be the place where I have the knowledge base from which to draw certain examples.  

I get it, your approach is the acceptable one, the norm, but I have never seen it actually accomplish anything, thus I decided to try something different.  This started with posters willing to post/comment publicly about me and my last team, willing to make statements that were not accurate.  It continued because CPA created controversy and its own history, nothing to do with me, but issues I have an opinion on when it comes to sports.   

On this particular thread it started with what was more a "tongue in cheek" comment, but one that is very true in the lives of many coaches, very few coaches are immune.  It ended up where I was addressed personally with the idea that changes for the good are happening at CPA.  My response was related to what I would consider real and necessary change and why.  It is that simple and no one really needs to make it anything more, it is really not that complicated.   Thus the concept of a public forum... 

I was going to take the high road, but... Just let it go, at least in the football forum...

I hope you feel better now.  Though I do not post much in the football forum I respectfully decline your suggestion.

 

 

Coach Brooks,

 

With all due respect, while I have agreed with you many times over the past few years, there seem to be some big changes going on at the CPA campus in regards to sports, and their importance, under this newer administration.  For the better in my opinion.  While, I don't believe football ever really recruited, they no longer appear to be bringing in BB players either.  

 

They are also doing a really good job at teaching the kids about things that really matter in life, in regards to their mission, and none of those lessons have anything to do with a ball. Or winning a game...

 

1.  Agree - great story and continued prayers for Mr. Ellis and his family

2.  Agree - football never the problem, no credible information has ever surfaced that would indicate otherwise.

3.  Hope you are right

In reality, one area has to be evaluated separately from the other.  CPA has always been able to point to unique areas and stories of ministry with Mr. Ellis being one of the latest, an incredible one to say the least.  But this has always happened regardless of certain actions of fans and administrators related to sports.  And of course these types of inappropriate actions and decisions happens at other places too.  

Related to CPA, it was boys basketball beginning in 2009 and for the next few years that created a problem for every other sport and the entire school.  Damage that most likely will last for years to come.  Biblically, it is more than merely stopping what should not be done and start doing what should be done.  It also includes steps of confession (admitting) and repentance (making it right when applicable). 

Like it or not, this would include dealing with those who were willing to speak truth based on what was known (not speculated) and what was provided by credible sources.  The response was to personally attack and trash people willing to speak out.  How many voices attempted to "explain" what happened by saying it was simply related to kids wanting to play for successful programs and coaches, even if having to sit on the bench? (Yea, right.) The "theory" - it was Maddux and his success/success of the program attracting multiple transfers.  If true, there would be as many or even more transfers now than ever before.  As I pointed out at the time that was faulty reasoning.  Where are those voices now that according to you is not happening?

If you are right, it is better than nothing, but does not complete the cycle based on what even the school would base its philosophy.  Soli Deo Gloria...

yeah, losses to a 7A GA school, best 4A in TN and another top 4A team. Oh and next Ensworth so they go into district play 1-4. Losing 25 seniors might put you in that position. IMO they still make the playoffs.

Hope not, would be totally undeserving and would not want or wish that on anyone, but not like it has never happened before...

Wow, 3 blow-out losses in first 4 games for CPA.  Watch your back Ingle, fans and administrators can suffer from short term memory...

Love Eddie Salter, great guy!

CPA did not have top 100 players this year,but they still had very good players who obviously got better playing with these recruited All-Americans. Don't think they got enough credit for the team they had this year. Great year!

You provided the answer within your own assessment.  Many, if not the high majority, will not give credit to a program who for years went the way of "recruited All-Americans" especially with a thought process of "getting away" with it.  And the conclusion will end up being could not win state or even make it to state when they did not have the most athletic talent on the floor.  Right or wrong that is simply the way it is...

You do not wear naivete well.

 

Don't appreciate assumptions made. Don't approve of ANYONE doing business that way, but at the same time it is not my call. That is on them.

 

I didn't know it was only wrong-doing if you got caught. Sad what high school sports have become.

Truth...bigchief does not speak with forked tongue...

stop complaining. Kids want to play for great coaches

Of course they want to, but if that was the primary driving force there would actually be many, many more transfers and one would see a consistency of transfers into programs with great coaches each year. 

A lot of CPA fans probably know nothing about Coacht. Do you attend games because graciousness in defeat is demonstrated. Again, SOME kids (and some immature adults) brag about their team. Not unique here. Please...take the last word.

Keep it in context since you took it out of my original context.  My reference was to these boards, and now that I have clarified I am sure it is all cleared up...

Always thought CPA demonstrated graciousness in defeat with kind words and

applause. "Bravado"? SOME kids will show bravado...always have. The

maturation process may help with that. Hope you've found peace.

To cite one example, outside of FBgirl who always demonstrates class on these boards and sportsnerd can't say I have seen many others congratulate Whites Creek for their sectional win.  And I have seen quite a bit of bravado posted from some when CPA wins over these past few years.

Yes, I found true peace in the summer of 1978, but nothing I would think you need to be concerned with...

I agree.  Would have preferred they come clean, and acknowledged that they did wrong years ago, before so much damage was done to the school's reputation.  Let's hope going forward they will continue to do the right thing.  Then maybe they will have more upperclassmen playing in the future as well.

 

It's been obvious for years, that there are enough talented athletes at CPA to field a decent basketball team.  Even without the red-shirting and graduating 19 year olds...

Could not agree more rulefollower.  If you look at the non-transfer/AAU years,I believe it was:

2000-05 years - 1 state tourney appearance/1 state tourney win, 3 sectional/sweet 16 appearances/2 regional championships, averaged 20 wins per year 

2006-10 & 2015-16 - 1 state tourney appearance, 2 sectional/sweet 16 appearances/2 regional championships, averaged 20+ wins per year

Success any school should be on board with.  Hopefully now certain administrators, coaches, parents and supporters have learned the lessons.  Now if certain supporters have less bravado when winning and more conciliation congratulations when opponents win...

Ken, good post. I give you credit for an honest evaluation.

Like them or not they have always been honest.  The coaching profession and values HS athletics is designed to promote is too important for me to have ever made this about petty jealousies, grudges or bitterness as some like to think.  Too bad due to the actions of the past, many, including myself will never be able to respect the program, but no problem in giving credit to the coaching and play of this year's team.

Sorry...."coach". I forgot how fair and balanced your input has been over the years.

Exactly, took you long enough to get here, but apology accepted.  

Man that must have been tough kbrks. 

Not at all.  I don't get it why would it be?  Oh that's right, objectivity based on truth is a foreign concept to those like you, but it is not to everyone.  I can give credit, where credit it is due.  Some times it is deserved, some times it is not, this is one of those times it is, when other times it hasn't, pretty simple actually.

For anyone in the state underestimating or looking past CPA this year,  they may be in for a surprise

Amazing, something I actually agree with jett on.

CPA 55 Ensworth 51, very impressed with the way CPA played, too many skilled ball handlers for Ensworth to handle, creating lay-ups and shots for the shooters. 

I see where CPA and Ensworth play tonight, a good barometer game for both teams this time of year.  One of those games that allows me to confirm or adjust my thinking since I have seen Ensworth play this year.    

GQ magazine highlights Tyger Campbell on an article entitled: Just How Early Can You Spot the Next Lebron?

Interesting to get some insight into:

-  why Tyger came to CPA. Because he would not have been allowed to play HS as a freshman at most of the "baskeball prep schools".

- how he was recruited by basketball prep schools while playing at CPA

- the fact that his family did not move to Nashville then leave when he left CPA. This is actually their home now.

- the fact that rumors about Tyger's academic problems at CPA were just that - rumors.

- the fact that Drew hoped he would stay but knew the chances were slim.

- the racial slur episode at Creekwood last year.

The first time I saw him play I commented that I didn't feel he would ever stay 4 years at CPA. I thought he might stay one more year IF Blackwell stayed. I bet he knew Blackwell was leaving when he made his decision. I am excited for him and wish him all the best. I talked with him a couple of times and he is a very polite, mature, and smart young man. it was fun watching him play for CPA last year.

 

Here is the article: http://www.gq.com/story/next-lebron-james-tyger-campbell

Yes, an inside look for the average "joe fan" in how these basketball families make decisions to transfer to a new school, even crossing state lines, via the "chance" meeting/conversation, both sides taking advantage of the opportunity presented.  

Ancient Chinese proverbs paraphrased: 1.The more you despise something the more it controls you. 2. Knowledge and intelligence do not always cross paths. 3. The path of the righteous is fraught with dead ends. Enlightenment comes from the search. 4. When you think your field of knowledge is full, you are not prepared for the harvest.

 

Now before you both think that these are for the other guy, think again. PLEASE.

 

There is no doubt that the basketball program has done shady things in the past. The facts are obvious and glaring. However, it would seem that this year has seen a return to what once defined the school's athletic programs. Home-grown kids that are being coached and having success. Perhaps the results of his dark side foray last year gave him a change of heart? Maybe the Admin decided the "mission" had gone awry? Who really knows...

Personally, I don't care who it is for, if someone wants to say something to me, take the direct approach.  I can talk/debate with anyone who can be honest and willing to understand another person's side.  Based on your past posts, I do think you understand and have insight which I assume means you are actually involved in the profession.  And I don't disagree yet (since I haven't seen this year's team play) on your most recent assessment.  Now if you think Playerscoach has any business giving critique and advice on how another person posts, that is a whole other story...

Now coach come on. This is your M.O. Don't bring me in to this. It's fun to watch this. You fancy yourself as a renaissance guy. You made it clear that mortals like me don't know good coaching from bad. I just enjoy your posts for the "dramatic flare". Thank you.

If you say so, but then again you have that lack of credibility thing going on and the ability to misinterpret.  Oops, you did it again, "You made it clear that mortals like me don't know good coaching from bad."  Enjoy...