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1 hour ago, dontstopbelieving said:

Maybe some of the historians can get on here and help me out, but has anybody from Tennessee ever had as much success in an international style as Boykin? The only other Tennessee native I can remember competing for world team spots is the older Boykin in freestyle and he wasn't nearly as close as Nick has been to making world teams.

The Simpson brothers had good freestyle careers.

6 minutes ago, facenthecrowd said:

You’re an idiot.  That is not all you got wrong.    Admit the truth to All you got wrong.  

Womp womp 

36 minutes ago, facenthecrowd said:

Thank you for your correction.  Again took somebody else to call out that what you originally posted was not true.  Where in Tokyo was he going?  So much was wrong with the original post.  


 

Oh no I got the city initially wrong that is hosting the Olympics this year. What ever will we do now? 

Nick Boykin of Riverdale Hs and Sunkist Kids WC will wrestle in the Olympic Trials finals tonight against Joe Rau. Winner goes to Paris!

31 minutes ago, BraydenlPalmer said:

I never get on here and don’t respond to anything, but I got on here today to make a post about me trying to set up camps and clinics. I saw this and was disappointed and felt like responding.

 First off, I've seen many of these posts before about talking about how disappointing it is that we don't have a Tennessee All-American almost every year on some sort of social media. Second, almost all of you haven't been a Division 1 All-American or even wrestled Division 1 at all. It was Cody's first year, and he lost two studs. He'll be back and all American, maybe even a couple times, no doubt in my mind. The next thing is, who cares if kids go to Division 1? If they can afford it, why not go chase your dreams? The only thing I'd say is don't go into a crazy debt to wrestle in college because there are other things that are more important in life, but if you can afford it and a D1 team wants it, go for it. It just annoys me when people act like it's an easy thing or all Tennessee guys are a disappointment each year because they weren't an All American when we are battling through so many injuries and I'm destroying my body and can't even stand up before weigh-ins because the weight cut is so hard on my body. Granted, I shouldn't have wrestled at 125 at all, but I'm just using it as an example. We are giving it everything we have, and I'm sure the other Tennessee guys like Cody and Cooper where to. It's just a hard tournament with countless killers in each weight. We should celebrate any TN guy that gets the opportunity to wrestle Division 1 or any level in college because it's most of our dreams to do that, and we are just trying to chase them

100000% agree. Well said Brayden. 

2 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

You lied my man, not me. I'm stating the truth so more TN kids can have a better time in collegiate wrestling by entering the level they might belong.

Yeah, like I said, do the state a favor and have nothing to do with it. 

11 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

I never anticipated this would be so hotly debated since exceptions only serve to prove the rule.  The general rule is most TN wrestlers don't fare well at the D1 level.  History lays that out pretty conclusively.  I think most would be better served at a lower level if wrestling is a priority.

But, just to make everyone really really mad I'll say it again lol.

1. Most will not do well at the D1 level.
2. Most should wrestle a lower collegiate level if wrestling is a priority and they wish to start.
3. Some not small percentage of those who go D1 will last only a year or two and then quit wrestling completely.
4. The truth for some would be better than a participation trophy (granted a stupidly hard participation trophy where even surviving four years is super rough). 
5. A small percentage will do just fine and a very small percentage might AA. 

@WrestlingGod  The only yikes is you saying you watched a match you didn't (and couldn't have).  Sorry, you lost all credibility on that one and that is another unlikable truth.

 

Good lord, grow up. Its not "hotly debated". You're just flat wrong. The only person who lost any credibility is the one who continues to say they wouldn't encourage kids to wrestle at the highest level possible. You're just a miserable, sad person and i genuinely hope, with everything i have in me, that you never coach anybody. Ever. 

Go ahead and tell Brad that you don't think Landon shouldn't go to Ohio State because TN kids don't do well in D1. Tell him that he, as a father, made a mistake in allowing his kid to sign with them because YOU think he, and others, are better served at a lower division. Go ahead. 

Just do us all a favor and have nothing to do with TN wrestling moving forward, because you CLEARLY don't care about the future of it. If you did you'd want kids to get to the biggest programs possible. And beyond that who are you to tell them they don't have what it takes? 

Absolutely pathetic. Shameful and pathetic. Do us all a favor and leave. 

5 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

No.  I would be honest and forthright and hope they prove me wrong. 

Yikes man, gigantic yikes. 

1 minute ago, oceansize42 said:

Again no one said every kid won’t make it. You and another seem determined to make it out I said every single kid from TN is a failure.  Nobody is saying you think every kid from TN is a failure. 

 

One more time, most will not make it. Each young man is different, And its presicely because every kid is different that if a kid says they have asperations of going d1 you should encourage them to work for it and not tell them there's no chance they'll ever make it. 

 

but there are definitely some I look at and, to your chagrin, say to myself it is never happening.  Ever.  And you can say that to yourself all you want but don't put that on the kid. Encourage and support them, tell them to work hard and tell them their dreams are attainable. 

7 hours ago, oceansize42 said:

 Yes. I'm not sure how else you could interpret what I wrote. Is there another interpretation I'm missing?  The vast majority who head to D1 are not good enough. I'll take it a step further, parents and coaches are doing most of these a kids a disservice by directing them to D1 level schools if wrestling is a priority.  If wrestling is just an activity, then by all means.

32 minutes ago, BobCorker said:

Don't take it so personal.  No one is telling you that you made a bad decision.  

 We are not saying kids should never take the chance of cracking a DI lineup; we are simply looking at 60 years of results. 

 

 

That may not be what YOU are saying, but it is what Oceansize is saying. I even quoted the section for you. 

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43 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

You're thinking about how you speak to kids and not how someone with a modicum of common sense speaks to kids. 

If I'm talking to a young man who clearly doesn't belong at the D1 level I'm not going to say "well you stink and shouldn't go". I'm not going to quote statistics or draw comparisons to other wrestlers. I'm going to sit them down and have a level headed honest conversation, which I believe most kids and young adults want. I'm going to tell them that if they choose D1, their current abilities do not align with that choice.  I'm going to tell them the road will be extraordinarily difficult (I think D1 wrestling is the hardest collegiate sport by a mile) and the amount of work required to achieve even a modicum of success will be costly in terms of time and physical well being.  However, if that is your choice and you understand what is required then shoot for the stars (because that is what they are doing, I'm not telling them this part).   I would then point out the advantages to wrestling at a lower level.  

You're acting as if everyone thinks and speaks at the level you do.   Like in wrestling there are levels, in thought, observation, and the spoken word.  

17 minutes ago, BobCorker said:

I think it is worse "life advice" to not be honest.  One of the worst mistakes an adult can make is to put a kid in a situation where they are in over their heads.   Adults make this mistake all of the time.  They put kids in AP Calc when they should be in regular math.  They try to sneak their way into an elite school when they should actually send them to a state school for half of the cost.  They send them to college when they should send them to get their apprenticeship for a local electrician.  Not only do life long outcomes change in this scenario but a kid's happiness also changes.   

Kids often have dreams that are not grounded in reality.  They are making decisions based on 2-3 years of "real world" experience.  Adults should be able to analyze 30-40 years of data/evidence/life experience in order to give young adults the best advice.  

While most won't admit it, it is more about the parents than the kids.   Johnny's dad is sending his kid to Vanderbilt, so we can't send our kid to ETSU.   Billy's dad posted on social media that Billy signed to Nebraska, so how could we possibly send our kid to Wabash College to wrestle. 

I also disagree on the current crop of TN kids.  The crop of early 2000s kids was better.  5 of the 7 AAs from our state came out of that crop.  In the same time frame we also had Rusty Blackmon, Jake Yost, Kevin Ward, Darren McKnight, Kyle James, Patrick Simpson, Corey Manson, Jason McCroskey, Brandon Wright, Shawn Cordell, John Lane, and probably more that I am forgetting.  Almost all had meaningful college wrestling experiences. 

Man i feel sorry for any kids you ever coach. To not tell a kid to follow their dreams is crazy. If they fail and want to move divisions that's their decision or if they fail and want to quit thats their decision, but to tell them not to even attempt it is astounding. I sincerely hope you never coach any of my kids. 

45 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

The "vast majority" shouldn't bother with D1 unless there is little emphasis on the wrestling part. I honestly can't agree with anything you wrote. I'd rather honestly evaluate their ability and set them up for possible success from the start, all the while pursuing a relevant degree from a quality school (of which there are plenty, even in the lower levels).  I'm not into the chase your dreams on the one in a thousand chance it happens.  

I'm really confused by your statements about winning. When a young man enters D1 wrestling the expectation is winning and winning a bunch. There is no other expectation.  That's it. Win, win, and then win some more.  If you don't win you don't start. If you're not starting now you're going to practice to get your arse kicked every single day by the young man who is starting or you're relegated to wrestling everyone but the starter as you have no chance.  You become a practice dummy. Not that the coach doesn't like you or your teammates don't like you, but ultimately that is what you become.  A cheerleader. I'd rather drop a level or two, start, win, and contribute in more meaningful ways. I'm pragmatic about this because for most it is the proper path.  Doesn't have to be liked, but it's true.

 

Yeah, im not going to tell the kids i've coached not to chase their dreams because statically it probably wont work out. That's awful life advice. And no, im not "hung up" on d1 being the end all be all, my oldest child's godfather was a d2 national champ and coahces at Newberry. I've sent kids his way plenty of times. But man, i just cannot grasp the idea of telling kids not to follow their dreams or go try and get a spot on the best school they're capable of getting into becuase they may not make it. That's just pitiful 

Also, to add on, we've got more kids now in this moment that are capable of making an impact on a d1 roster than we've ever had before (chittum, the uhorchucks, jakobs, desselle, hilton, flynn etc)

44 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

I can't convince you.  You're hung up on D1 being the end all be all.  It isn't. The lower levels are very tough and very respectable.  It is no small achievement to even start on a lower level school.  Further, you keep saying stuff like "every one of the kids....".  You absolutely cannot read. You cannot read.  You cannot read. I keep saying the "vast majority" or "most".  Please, please, read. Don't be emotional. You're super emotional and this where coaches and parents cause problems. Less emotion, more logic. Past statistics matter.

All I can say is that there are private discussions amongst wrestling enthusiasts that occur year in and year out.  It is isn't terribly hard to predict who is not going to make it.  That list is long.  Then there are a couple who are borderline (Trae, Reiniche as examples. They emerged as starters).  Then there are the Chittums (super short list, right?). Are there exceptions from time to time? Yes, of course.  But not making it is ok, but the writing was on the wall to those who are observant.

The entire issue is you saying they shouldn't even bother. How do you not see that? 

Maybe they do go and wrestle a year, then trasnfer, or flame out, maybe not. But why would anybody ever think telling kids, sorry you arent good enough to consider wrestling division 1 is a good idea? You know how we find these "exceptions"? By encouraging the kids to go to the BEST schoosl they can get into and try their hardest to succeed. 

Telling them sorry, not enough kids from TN wrestle D1 and not enough have winning records so you can't succeed either is stupid. Just stupid. 

18 minutes ago, oceansize42 said:

 Yes. I'm not sure how else you could interpret what I wrote. Is there another interpretation I'm missing?  The vast majority who head to D1 are not good enough. I'll take it a step further, parents and coaches are doing most of these a kids a disservice by directing them to D1 level schools if wrestling is a priority.  If wrestling is just an activity, then by all means.

Still an absolutely asinine take. The fact you continue to double down is baffling. 

So every one of the kids who signed with division one programs this year should retract them and go to a different division because there aren't a lot of current tn kids starting on div one teams, and of those that are there arent many winning records.

You heard it here, just go ahead and go somewhere else boys. 

Let me ask you, of those who did sign div 1 commitment letters this season, who do you think should go and who should just not even bother trying?

1 hour ago, oceansize42 said:

How many TN kids are even the starter on their team within D1? How many have a winning record?

So "most Tennessee kids" shouldn't go D1 because there aren't many starters from TN on a D1 team? Or "most Tennessee kids" shouldn't go D1 because not a lot have winning records?

Its still an L take. It was then, and it is now. 

1 hour ago, Appvol said:

Was surprised to see App St Askey beat Chittum 17-6. 

He couldnt get ANY offense going. Everything he tried was immediately shut down by Askey. 

24 minutes ago, ObseverW said:

Yeah, plenty of people were taping finals matches EVEN if their kid wasn't one in those matches, if you think differently I don't know how you get up in the mornings! 

 

Yes, I am a big fan of fake wrestling and don't care to give away my identity Strain! It's cobrakid as I don't care to hide behind a screen name like some on here! Also I did enjoy fake wrestling, Like wrestlinggod I got to travel some of the country and not pay a dime to do so, got to meet guys like AJ Styles and a few others that went to WWE. Had plenty of friends that did it with me that ended up getting to do stuff like walking out as Roman soldiers when Triple H came out at Wrestlemania in Atlanta. Spent some good time in Chattanooga getting to help put up the ring and such before WWE and WCW before they went out of business. Sadly your entire life is built only on wrestling and that is kind of sad. I love the sport and gave back to it for years, most of that time as a volunteer spending MANY hours a week helping coach, however it was never my entire life, so instead I get to hang out with my son and his interests but also get to race drag cars, spend money on other toys and now bought a car for my son that we have been spending many hours fixing up to be his first car when he turns 16.

 

So yeah, many people taped those finals matches and many of us got to watch that exact match. Sorry if you don't have enough friends to know someone that did tape and can let you watch it! Sadly Zac made a mistake and it cost him a possible state title. Of course since you know Soddy so well, maybe ask Henry next time you see him what he says about a referee costing you a match. He will say to take it out of the referee's hands and get it done yourself! 

“Miserable people love to make other people miserable. I don't hate those, I just feel sorry for them.” – Brandi Glanville

26 minutes ago, ObseverW said:

He has no friends, so it would be significantly hard for him to do something with people who are imaginary! Also for rasslinking(since you wanted to use that name on here and aren't smart enough to know Rasslin IS sports entertainment and wrestling is 2 different things) you named yourself that and if you are to dumb to know the difference maybe a new name would suite you best!       

There were plenty of people there that taped the match BESIDES the one that was shown on here and they just didn't post those on the internet to be removed. Also some people seem too blind to see things correctly (like the referee, his helper and plenty of others that watched the same video posted on here) and at that point I pray they don't drive with those same eyes!  Some people also were able to watch it on NFHS network, I don't think it went down for everyone so Flowrestling wasn't the one to carry the match at that time. I paid for NFHS and it wouldn't allow me to sign into FLO to watch the matches. 

 

Pretty cool wrestlinggod you got to do that stuff outside of regular wrestling, especially considering many good actual wrestlers did pretty well in sports entertainment. Heck Cody Runnels (Rhodes) was a state champ down in Georgia and has made a very good living doing that backyard stuff LOL. Gordie Ray that wrestled at East Ridge did ok also and Brock Lesnar, so have plenty of others and also those now signed to developmental contracts from the NCAA pipeline! 

We've had fun. I appreciate the kind words. 

I still text sometimes with Jacob Kasper who was an AA from Duke. Him and his brother wrestle in the WWE now. Good guy. Some people just stay in a bad mood. It's all good. 

I shouldn't have said i saw it on flo. just a slip i guess. this isnt the first time i've said something inaccurate and been raked over the coals for it lol. it is what it is. over the years ive just learned killing them with kindness annoys them more than going attack for attack.

He did get one thing right. @desselle is more knowledgeable than me, the amount of time that guy has spent picking the brains of some of the best minds in this sport is crazy. 

As for the podcast, we've gotten significantly more positive feedback than your negative review. I think we'll probably continue it into the next few years at least. Got some pretty cool ideas lined up with that too. 

And guess what? i get to do THAT with a good friend of mine too! Its a pretty sweet gig working with your friends, makes life a lot better. you should try it. maybe itll pull you outta whatever rut you're living in. 

1 minute ago, Rasslinking said:

Just getting this straight.....

 

You lied about watching the match on Flo?

Now your inviting me to watch you and your brother do fake wrestling match together?

 

No, I do not want to watch that. Good luck on your retirement.

 

 

absolutely! why wouldn't we want you to come out and watch us do what we love? we've wanted to do this since we were both little kids and we have. not only that we've traveled the country on someone else's dime and worked some pretty big independent promotions as well as been on tv a few times too. we've also been recognized as one of the fastest rising tag teams out of the southeast.  

so yeah, we want you to come out, sit in the crowd, cheer, boo, be miserable, whatever it is you do and watch us do what we do. When i am laying on my deathbed i can assure you i wont look back and think some random guy on coachT thinks what we do is stupid. I'll look back and be happy i got to live my dream and traveled the country with my little brother and best friend. 

life's too short to be peeved off all the time. 

20 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

1) Not watching a podcast with a guy who does fake backyard wrestling as a grown man.....Desselle is only knowledgeable person on it. 

 

2) The match was NEVER recorded on flo. The stream went down.  You are a liar, and it's embarrassing. 

oh hey also, our last match is in Corning, AR in april. between my health issues these last couple years and my brother needing a new hip at 32 its time for us to hang them up. Buff Bagwell of the old wcw days is going to be reffing our last match! pretty cool. You should come out and watch! its most def not backyard wrestling. 

or dont. man i bet you're insufferable to be around. 

49 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

1) Not watching a podcast with a guy who does fake backyard wrestling as a grown man.....Desselle is only knowledgeable person on it. 

 

2) The match was NEVER recorded on flo. The stream went down.  You are a liar, and it's embarrassing. 

15 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

Where were you sitting? 

In a gross locker room in the back of a brewery waiting for our match. We couldn’t make the finals since we were booked at a show in Birmingham. You’d know if you watched the Pin-Tn podcast

that said I’ve watched it back a few times on Flo. It was the right call. Sorry hoss

Also note to point out, the Air Force Freestyle team is coached by Riverdale and UTC alum Scottie Boykin