chizzel
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What? 6x4=24 just as 8x3=24. Same amount of teams make the state tournament with 6 getting rings as apposed to only 3. It just won't happen to be the same school's with twice as many kids as everyone else in their class...
But then you eliminate 4 teams from each class from "going to state", which defeats the whole participation medal mentality that has taken over high school sports anyway. That is the real reason for having classes in the first place and the absolute reason that Division 2 was formed. "So and so can do this and go to state and I can't. It is just not fair". Wah wah wah
Sad but true.
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TSSAA = Bush League! They will continue to cater to only football & snub other sports & genders until coaches/principals/schools OPENLY take a stand against them. The BCAT has yet to prove that they have the backbone to get things done like footballs association does. Now it's on the school's.....
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BTW- I noticed that Fulton stayed at the very top of 2A in classification numbers. How many think Jody Wright would have changed his vote for more classes if they would have moved to a small 3A instead?
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Bottom line! If the TSSAA can't make money on basketball and give fair opportunities to sports other than football, it's time for change. Not only board members but it's time for change in the TSSAA office! Enough is enough!
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It's the TSSAA's fault basketball doesn't make money! It's set up horribly! Other surrounding states with more classes make way more money! Alabama made 2 million dollars from basketball last year with half our population (with 6 classes). Now, some genius tell me we're more of a football state than them...lol
The bottom line is basketball does not make money. Adding a 4th class would only raise expenses. They are not going to lose money. Sad but true.
We have 9 classes in football next year because playoff gates make A LOT of money.
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Please forgive me for leaving out Greg McCullough. 95% of his schools wanted more classes, yet he listened to daddy Bernard and voted to stay three. The bad part is that his term doesn't expire until December 2018. That's if the TSSAA web site is correct. He needs to be 'persuaded' to step down..... He's obviously no longer wanted
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We must go after the BOC spots. I'm hearing Lots of support for getting for voting them out. Catlett & Roller betrayed their schools more than anyone and should be a top priority. Jody Wright was negative and pushed for 3 so he needs to be priority # 2! Chauncey is a TSSAA puppet that can't be trusted either.....
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Coaches are told by TSSAA executives that they" have no control over decisions" and that we should voice our opinions to the representatives in our area because they are the ones that vote. If that is true then why do the executives give their recommendation right before the vote takes place? To remind the board how they want them to vote and to influence the vote. With the current system coaches are supposed to trust the representative from their area to go and vote for what the majority wants. There are some board members that never met with coaches before the vote to allow them to voice opinions...How is that representing coaches? There is one board member "Ricky Catlett" that apparently voted opposite of what his area wanted according to several coaches that I spoke to that he represents. Jody Wright from Fulton is a coach and on the board. How is that not a major conflict of interest??? He is gonna vote the way that has the best outcome for his situation...Who wouldn't??? Our Executive Director that claims that "he has no control" stated yesterday that " We always feel like we have to keep our football numbers as far as enrollment figures in schools going against each other close together" Who is we??? and what about the other student athletes around the state?? All athletes should be treated with fairness and with our current system TSSAA has way too much power. The hard working coaches that really care about our athletes and are not blinded by $$$$ have no voice!
Couldn't agree more!
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No need talking about what should have happened. We all know that. We must go after the board members and the joke of an association we have (TSSAA)! Here are the BOC members that opposed the majority and didn't have enough backbone to stand up to the TSSAA office recommendation! Here were the votes for 3 classes:
Mike Roller-Lipscomb
Jody Wright- Fulton
Mike Reed- Morristown
Greg McCullough- Memphis
Ricky Catlett- Chester Co.
David Meske- Webb
Tommy Layne- Sequatchie -
No need talking about what should have happened. We all know that. We must go after the board members and the joke of an association we have (TSSAA)! Here are the BOC members that opposed the majority and didn't have enough backbone to stand up to the TSSAA office recommendation! Here were the votes for 3 classes:
Mike Roller-Lipscomb
Jody Wright- Fulton
Mike Reed- Morristown
Greg McCullough- Memphis
Ricky Catlett- Chester Co.
David Meske- Webb
Tommy Layne- Sequatchie
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If football deserves 6 classes so does basketball! Coaches need to express their feelings!
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Why not do 6 classes which could make smaller districts, thus less travel. Games could even be played on Friday if necessary with fewer district games. Then only have two teams come out of the district. 4 teams from each class make the state tournament so you still have 24 teams there. If the TSSAA isn't competent enough to make more classes work, then changes need to be made with them....
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It's is broke!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I'm hearing the same thing as far as having board support but that the TSSAA is going to try and 'buffalo' the board into keeping things the same.....
TSSAA would not lose money, they would possibly just not make as much. As a governing body TSSAA should be working for us but it seems like $$$ is by far most important. Money has turned what should be our governing body into a corrupt organization that has the student athlete taking a back seat to $$$$! I really feel like when the vote happens in July that TSSAA will have enough influence on the Board to keep it the same. I hope I am wrong because I really feel like change is needed.
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If football student athletes deserve 6 classes, then basketball deserves 6 period! It's about student athletes having equal opportunity. If travel is a problem then have smaller districts, thus less travel dates like AL does. If this 'waters down' basketball, then the 6A football championship must really be a joke?
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Seems FAIR for a change...
This is a long post, but it's a guess where everyone would fall in six classes, using the latest numbers (which will come out again this fall). I added four at the top which had teams in Class A, but I didn't know their enrollments. I took out Jackson Central Merry which closed, and two charters in Chattanooga that didn't have teams that I know of. With about 53 in each class, you'd have 8 regions in each class. Again these numbers will change, some by a lot, this fall, plus you probably have even more teams starting especially in the smaller charters. * just means no football.
Class 1A:
GRAD Academy (no enrollment)
MEMPHIS CITY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL (no enrollment)
MEMPHIS MIDDLE COLLEGE (no enrollment)
NATCHEZ TRACE (no enrollment)
* Clinch High School 27
* Carroll Academy 49
* KIPP: Nashville Collegiate School 68
* Tennessee School for the Deaf 79
* Richard Hardy Memorial School 88
* Big Sandy High School 105
* Hampshire High School 121
* Clarksburg High School 128
* Bradford High School 135
* Washburn High School 158
Gleason High School Gleason 161
Sunbright High School Sunbright 173
W.E.B. Dubois High School Memphis 180
Coalfield High School Coalfield 182
* Memphis School of Excellence 184
Oakdale High School Oakdale 188
Cloudland High School Roan Mountain 193
Moore Co. High School Lynchburg 197
Red Boiling Springs High School Red Boiling Springs 200
Lookout Valley High School Chattanooga 204
Greenback High School Greenback 209
Hollow Rock-Bruceton Central High School Bruceton 209
Greenfield High School Greenfield 210
* Santa Fe High School 212
Huntland High School Huntland 214
Copper Basin High School Copperhill 227
* Merrol Hyde Magnet School 239
* Memphis Academy of Science & Engineering 241
Lake Co. High School Tiptonville 243
* Van Buren Co. High School 244
South Pittsburg High School South Pittsburg 245
South Fulton High School South Fulton 245
Pickett Co. High School Byrdstown 248
George Washington Carver High School Memphis 255
* Culleoka High School 260
Humboldt High School Humboldt 263
Clay Co. High School Celina 264
* University School-Johnson City 267
Collinwood High School Collinwood 278
Memphis Northside High School Memphis 282
Hancock Co. High School Sneedville 286
Midway High School Kingston 289
Unaka High School Elizabethton 290
Cornersville High School Cornersville 293
West Carroll High School Atwood 295
* Clarkrange High School 299
Sale Creek School Sale Creek 306
McEwen High School Mcewen 308
Gordonsville High School Gordonsville 318
Fayetteville High School Fayetteville 318
Class 2A
Wayne Co. High School Waynesboro 319
* Soulsville Charter School 325
Monterey High School Monterey 339
Harriman High School Harriman 347
Middleton High School Middleton 350
Richland High School Lynnville 351
Huntingdon High School Huntingdon 354
Jo Byrns High School Cedar Hill 355
Perry Co. High School Linden 363
Mt. Pleasant High School Mt. Pleasant 365
Whitwell High School Whitwell 371
Dresden High School Dresden 375
Trousdale Co. High School Hartsville 380
KIPP Memphis Collegiate School Memphis 381
Jellico High School Jellico 384
Oneida High School Oneida 393
Peabody High School Trenton 395
Union City High School Union City 397
Summertown Summertown 398
Houston Co. High School Erin 399
Summertown High School 398
B. T. Washington High School Memphis 399
Memphis Academy of Health Sciences Memphis 402
Oliver Springs High School Oliver Springs 402
Hampton High School Hampton 405
Cosby High School Cosby 405
Oakhaven High School Memphis 408
McKenzie High School Mckenzie 410
Watertown High School Watertown 411
Westwood High School Memphis 413
Eagleville High School Eagleville 414
Halls High School Halls 416
Wartburg Central High School Wartburg 416
North Greene High School Greeneville 418
* Chatt. School for the Arts & Sciences 417
East Robertson High School Cross Plains 423
Decatur Co. Riverside High School Decaturville 434
Manassas High School Memphis 450
Jackson Co. High School Gainesboro 454
Tellico Plains High School Tellico Plains 455
Gibson Co. High School Dyer 458
Rockwood High School Rockwood 459
Loretto High School Loretto 470
Community High School Unionville 485
Scotts Hill High School Reagan 490
South Greene High School Greeneville 497
* Madison Academic Magnet High School 502
Hillcrest High School Memphis 505
Westmoreland High School Westmoreland 509
Meigs Co. High School Decatur 516
Marion Co. High School Jasper 518
Forrest High School Chapel Hill 522
Sullivan North High School Kingsport 531
Cascade High School Wartrace 535
Class 3A
Adamsville High School Adamsville 541
Hickman Co. High School Centerville 542
Frederick Douglass High School Memphis 553
Waverly Central High School Waverly 553
* Power Center Academy High School 549
* L&N STEM Academy 553
Mitchell High School Memphis 554
Lewis Co. High School Hohenwald 555
Gatlinburg-Pittman High School Gatlinburg 562
Austin-East High School Knoxville 564
Cumberland Gap High School Cumberland Gap 566
Alcoa High School Alcoa 566
Trezevant High School Memphis 568
Happy Valley High School Elizabethton 568
Bledsoe Co. High School Pikeville 568
Polk Co. High School Benton 570
Martin Luther King, Jr. Preparatory High School Memphis 577
Fairley High School Memphis 578
Tyner Academy Chattanooga 587
Sweetwater High School Sweetwater 591
Brainerd High School Chattanooga 593
Harpeth High School Kingston Springs 595
Camden Central High School Camden 597
Smith Co. High School Carthage 599
Alvin C. York Institute Jamestown 612
Westview High School Martin 613
Milan High School Milan 616
Memphis East High School Memphis 617
Cannon Co. High School Woodbury 618
East Hickman High School Lyles 621
Cheatham Co. Central High School Ashland City 627
The Howard School Chattanooga 643
Chuckey-Doak High School Afton 643
Stewart Co. High School Dover 651
White House Heritage High School White House 652
Stratford High School Nashville 660
Fairview High School Fairview 660
West Greene High School Mosheim 671
Johnson Co. High School Mountain City 675
Sequatchie Co. High School Dunlap 691
Pigeon Forge High School Pigeon Forge 697
Signal Mountain High School Signal Mountain 699
McMinn Central High School Englewood 700
East Nashville Magnet School Nashville 705
Grundy Co. High School Coalmont 708
Hamilton High School Memphis 710
South Gibson Co. High School Medina 711
Raleigh Egypt High School Memphis 725
Kingston High School Kingston 735
Loudon High School Loudon 736
Upperman High School Baxter 740
Sycamore High School Pleasant View 745
Whites Creek High School Whites Creek 751
McNairy Central High School Selmer 751
Class 4A
Melrose High School Memphis 752
Jackson South Side High School Jackson 754
Red Bank High School Chattanooga 759
Scott High School Huntsville 779
Liberty Technology Magnet High School Jackson 779
Covington High School Covington 781
Fayette-Ware Comprehensive High School Somerville 782
Dyersburg High School Dyersburg 787
Northview Academy Kodak 788
Unicoi Co. High School Erwin 789
* Murfreesboro Central Magnet School 791
Elizabethton High School Elizabethton 792
Sheffield High School Memphis 793
Claiborne High School New Tazewell 800
DeKalb Co. High School Smithville 803
East Ridge High School Chattanooga 810
Bolivar Central High School Bolivar 819
Greenbrier High School Greenbrier 824
Union Co. High School Maynardville 825
Crockett Co. High School Alamo 842
Marshall Co. High School Lewisburg 845
Pearl Cohn High School Nashville 853
Fulton High School Knoxville 856
Chester Co. High School Henderson 861
Giles Co. High School Pulaski 863
Haywood High School Brownsville 876
Hixson High School Hixson 880
Creek Wood High School Charlotte 881
White House High School White House 882
Greeneville High School Greeneville 887
Livingston Academy Livingston 888
Carter High School Strawberry Plains 890
Grainger High School Rutledge 892
Sullivan South High School Kingsport 899
Ripley High School Ripley 901
* Hume-Fogg Academic Magnet 908
Sullivan East High School Bluff City 913
* Martin Luther King High School 916
Chattanooga Central High School Harrison 925
Macon Co. High School Lafayette 935
Page High School Franklin 936
Lexington High School Lexington 941
Millington Central High School Millington 943
Obion Co. Central High School Troy 947
Sullivan Central High School Blountville 961
Spring Hill High School Columbia 979
Maplewood Comprehensive High School Nashville 997
Craigmont High School Memphis 1003
Jackson North Side High School Jackson 1007
Sequoyah High School - Madisonville Madisonville 1018
Montgomery Central High School Cunningham 1039
East Hamilton High School Ooltewah 1045
Cumberland Co. High School Crossville 1051
Tullahoma High School Tullahoma 1053
Class 5A
Kirby High School Memphis 1058
Anderson Co. High School Clinton 1064
Stone Memorial High School Crossville 1065
Gibbs High School Corryton 1085
Knoxville Central High School Knoxville 1088
Seymour High School Seymour 1093
Kenwood High School Clarksville 1093
Volunteer High School Church Hill 1096
Hillwood High School Nashville 1113
Kingsbury High School Memphis 1114
Clinton High School Clinton 1114
Lawrence Co. High School Lawrenceburg 1123
Hardin Co. High School Savannah 1129
Portland High School Portland 1135
Springfield High School Springfield 1145
Cherokee High School Rogersville 1160
Dyer Co. High School Newbern 1168
Northwest High School Clarksville 1173
Ridgeway High School Memphis 1187
Hillsboro High School Nashville 1188
White Co. High School Sparta 1195
Karns High School Knoxville 1195
Wooddale High School Memphis 1196
Tennessee High School Bristol 1196
Cocke Co. High School Newport 1201
South Doyle High School Knoxville 1210
Lenoir City High School Lenoir City 1226
Knoxville Halls High School Knoxville 1243
Shelbyville Central High School Shelbyville 1248
Soddy-Daisy High School Soddy-daisy 1249
Overton High School Memphis 1252
Northeast High School Clarksville 1271
Beech Senior High School Hendersonville 1275
Lincoln Co. High School Fayetteville 1282
West Creek High School Clarksville 1305
David Crockett High School Jonesborough 1306
Campbell Co. High School Jacksboro 1320
Munford High School Munford 1324
Summit High School Spring Hill 1329
Powell High School Powell 1334
West High School Knoxville 1338
Clarksville High School Clarksville 1338
Daniel Boone High School Gray 1348
Henry Co. High School Paris 1349
Columbia Central High School Columbia 1353
Independence High School Thompson''s Station 1378
Brighton High School Brighton 1417
Morristown-Hamblen High School East Morristown 1418
Oak Ridge High School Oak Ridge 1419
Cleveland High School Cleveland 1420
Glencliff High School Nashville 1433
Sevier Co. High School Sevierville 1451
Ooltewah High School Ooltewah 1452
Class 6A
Morristown-Hamblen High School West Morristown 1461
Dickson Co. High School Dickson 1466
Franklin Co. High School Winchester 1486
Gallatin High School Gallatin 1495
Rossview High School Clarksville 1497
Nolensville High School 1500 (estimated)
McMinn Co. High School Athens 1504
Bolton High School Arlington 1505
Hendersonville High School Hendersonville 1510
Rhea County High School Evensville 1521
Station Camp High School Gallatin 1537
Walker Valley High School Cleveland 1539
Heritage High School Maryville 1600
Maryville High School Maryville 1604
Memphis Central High School Memphis 1631
Hunters Lane High School Nashville 1640
Cane Ridge High School Antioch 1660
Southwind High School Memphis 1674
Farragut High School Knoxville 1685
Stewarts Creek High School Smyrna 1691
Brentwood High School Brentwood 1698
Centennial High School Franklin 1712
LaVergne High School Lavergne 1723
Riverdale High School Murfreesboro 1724
Coffee Co. Central High School Manchester 1730
William Blount High School Maryville 1741
Franklin High School Franklin 1751
Siegel High School Murfreesboro 1758
Smyrna High School Smyrna 1774
Warren Co. High School Mcminnville 1787
Bradley Central High School Cleveland 1790
Lebanon High School Lebanon 1807
Bartlett High School Bartlett 1818
John Overton High School Nashville 1830
Wilson Central High School Lebanon 1834
Whitehaven High School Memphis 1838
Blackman High School Murfreesboro 1839
Germantown High School Germantown 1900
Hardin Valley Academy Knoxville 1903
Cordova High School Cordova 1911
Oakland High School Murfreesboro 1933
Houston High School Germantown 1937
Bearden High School Knoxville 1938
Mt. Juliet High School Mt. Juliet 1999
Antioch High School Antioch 2036
Ravenwood High School Brentwood 2037
Arlington High School Arlington 2044
Dobyns Bennett High School Kingsport 2072
Science Hill High School Johnson City 2080
Collierville High School Collierville 2136
Cookeville High School Cookeville 2201
Jefferson Co. High School Dandridge 2273
McGavock High School Nashville 2280
White Station High School Memphis 2289
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Most ridiculous post on here!
Someone mentioned the way Kentucky does it above. As someone that follows both KY & TN girls basketball just as hard as anyone, I would agree that Kentucky has the best system. One state champion for the entire state.
They do have an All "A" State championship held in the season that gives only Single-A teams a chance to play in that state tourney, but then single-A can also compete in the actual state tourney in March.
But there are too many state champions in Tennessee for my liking.
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I think what 9Aguru is saying is that your team may not be as big or as talented or complete as some of the other teams. Who cares! They can't help that! They play hard and scrappy and inspired and that's they can control and what really matters! Quit being so defensive and take it as a compliment!
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9aGuru says Huntland is over rated team. I say they under achieve. I guess it depends on which color glasses you wear and mine are true blue. As far as the game against Eagleville, an upset could happen but the girls seem to play well when they have too. Unfortunately, someone told them their last two games had no bearing on the district finish. Should not make a difference in effort, but when you are 15 and undisciplined I would say it did.
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Why does six not work in Tennessee but does well in other states? So, it wouldn't be worth moving game times up an hour (to get home earlier) in order to give other sports the same opportunity as football? Why did Alabama (who has a far superior basketball format already) decide to even add another 7th classification (across the board) for next year? Like I previously said...schools in our district average 1.5 hours travel and some district teams border the AL state line while region teams border KY lines (diagonally)! Btw- some teams in our district would be 2a teams in AL and others would be 5A teams! Please tell me how the TSSAA could screw things up any more? Please tell me how, other than Bernard randomly picking out of a hat! Not to mention the fact that their financial numbers for the basketball tournament are almost as embarrassing as Donald Trump filing for bankruptcy twice in the casino business!!!!!
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First off; our school travels around 1.5 hours plus for 4 out of 6 district games and the other two are close to an hour so I understand travel. Also, we have had to drive over 3 hours for one game in the first rd of region. If that's the issue, then why not do it like football? Play two classes together in the regular season and then split them up into 6 classes for the tournament? Travel stays the same and basketball gets the same amount of rings and opportunity as football. Please now, coaches in schools at the upper end of classifications and football people tell me why this idea is so far fetched???????? Btw- this makes more sense in a tournament sport than even football!
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Loretto lost three times
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I have coached in AL & TN and I have been at the ahsaa state tournament all week. Great atmosphere!!!!! The biggest issue here is classifications! How anyone can justify giving 6 teams rings in football and 3 in other sports is beyond me. Btw football has less teams than basketball and way more kids per team that get a chance at a state championship. Why are football players more deserving than everyone else, other than the fact that we basketball coaches etc.. just set back and take it! Last time I checked our state wasn't exactly putting out lots of 4 and 5 star football players anyway. That said, I would like to see what would happen if someone proposed only 3 classes in football! Pretty sure they wouldn't stand for it! Alabama is going to 7 classes across the board next year to "make things more fair." I ran the numbers and adjusted for AL only counting 10-12 for classification numbers and found that a some teams in our district would be THREE classes smaller than the majority of the other schools in our district according to Alabama's areas. Absolutely amazing! The BCAT (basketball coaches association of TN) which I know has already proposed 6 classes was all but laughed at! Their best bet for change would be to take all the money they make on great clinics and pay the football association to make a 6 class proposal across the board! Because football is the only sport with enough backbone and influence to get anything done!!!!!
How can the TSSAA justify NOT HAVING 4 CLASSES in Basketball?
in Girls Basketball
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I agree. It's time to band together & file the lawsuit! Or form an association that will!