JDHoss
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13 hours ago, blazer1set said:
That's pretty interesting about how Florida is doing classifications, wonder if something similar would work in Tennessee? Almost like you could have an M-class (Metro) and the R-class (Rural) separate championships, much like the privates have their own playoffs now. Then it would come down to semantics about the schools on the border between M & R. I honestly cannot see the TSSAA ever making that drastic of a change so most likely nothing changes in TN unless they hear that FL has 8 classes, they might do that so more schools get the participation trophy.
Florida had 8 classes before, mainly because they have 22 schools over 3K enrollment, several schools over 4K, and a bunch more right at 3K. They went to the Metro & Suburb classes because the Metro schools were dominating in all the classes. They also have no separation of privates and public, which makes things even tougher for the public schools. Could it be done in TN? I honestly don't know. The only truly large metro areas in TN are Memfuss, Nashville and Knoxville with a combined population of around 4 million. In contrast, the Miami metro area has around 10 million alone, and combined with the Tampa Bay, Orlando and Jacksonville metro areas, it's around 17+ million people. I'm not sure in TN how many schools you'd wind up with in each class if you did that, especially since the public and private are separate.
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On 11/4/2023 at 6:11 PM, blazer1set said:
The big Tri-cities schools play football mainly for fun. Now yes, the guys are out there giving it their all on the field, but I'm talking about the entire package, the big schools are NOT serious about football like they are in Knoxville & beyond. Over the last few years my attitude has changed a lot, I now don't even consider the playoffs, just think about trying to win each game and win Region 1 5A, that's really all that matters because once the playoffs start it's over anyway. In the foreseeable future there will not be a single 5A/6A team get past the Knox County line.
Everyone from Bristol to Memfuss plays for fun. Otherwise, no one would be playing. What matters is organization and coaching from the youth leagues through the feeder programs to high school. Toss in demographics, population (not school size, but area population), and it's not hard to see how the bigger metro schools dominate 5 & 6A. Last year here in Florida, the FHSAA revamped their classification system to Metro and Suburban divisions. Instead of Class A through Class 8A, we now have 1M - 4M and 1S - 4S. There's also a 1R (Rural) class for remote rural schools like Pahokee. The Metro schools are comprised of the Palm Beach county to Dade county metro area, the Jacksonville metro area, the Orlando metro area, and the Tampa metro area. The reason they did it was because these schools were dominating the state championships for the most part. It didn't matter how good of a youth league program, feeder schools and coaching staff someone like a Vero Beach had, there was just a ton more talent available in the big metro areas, and while I can't speak for Tennessee, the schools here recruit like crazy and in the metro areas, teams can really load up.
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25 minutes ago, WaCoJaCo said:
I was driving by Sevier one day last year and stopped for a few minutes and watched practice. I thought, man that's a good-looking bunch. Pretty big and athletic looking for a middle school, and they had good numbers. I thought, well this group is really going to be good when they get up to DB. If I remember correctly, they won 1 game that year and that was against Robinson. Was driving by again this year and they still had a good-looking bunch. Not sure if they won any games or not. They might do better just winging it without a coaching staff. Draw up their plays in the dirt.
The games that really stood out to me when he was at RNR were the games against Duggar. Duggar was in another universe in terms of physicality and organization, and the results confirmed it.
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19 hours ago, WaCoJaCo said:
You have to understand the mindset in Kingsport. To start with Christian has a job for as long as he wants it. He'll have to string about 5 more seasons like this together before maybe he can't take the heat in the kitchen and resigns on his own. And even then he would be replaced by another "good ole boy" that's already on staff. I mean, does anybody really think they did a national search and ended up promoting Christian to head coach. That was a complete scam from the get-go. It was set in stone who the new head coach was going to be before Clark officially announced his retirement. As for as the youth league and middle school programs.....ain't never gonna happen. Inteligent people would look around and see who the top programs are and study how their doing it. Maryville, Greeneville and Elizabethton all have something in common. Really good feeder programs with good coaching that are all on the same page. It would be beneath "Kingsport" to do something that way because, they didn't think of it first.
Our grandson played up through the ranks and graduated last year, so I have a good understanding of the mindset. TBH, after watching RNR and Sevier both struggle so much when he was at Robinson, I'm amazed they were able to win as many games in high school as they did. This program won't ever be much more than what it is now until somebody turns it over to a coach who will hire who he wants and retool the youth and middle school programs to fit what type of system he wants to run.
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Not saying they need to keep Christian, but until the youth league and middle school programs are better organized, whoever the head coach is will have their work cut out for them.
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5 hours ago, 1OldPatriot said:
Johnson City does a terrible job supporting athletics
I went to an opening round playoff game there several years ago when they were playing Bradly Central. There were probably less than 500 paying customers there that night.
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3 hours ago, TribalEmpire said:
Just curious... who will win 2A in Virginia?
Never mind... Riverheads. Forgot they moved up this year. Union should get to the championship game though. Radford may be the only question out of the West.
Union would have beat D-B last week the way we played.
I wouldn't discount Graham, now that Clements is healthy.
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Tribe 20
Toppers 14
Just because I want it to be. Regardless. it'll be the last win for either of them as R2 sweeps the 1st round.
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Tribe 47
Crockett 14
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55 minutes ago, City223 said:
he stayed at fayetteville the next couple years and was pretty good. he’s playing at bob jones in alabama and has been doing good
Much obliged. He was dynamite in that game against South Pitt. I enjoyed watching him.
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On 10/12/2023 at 8:07 PM, City223 said:
i’ve been wondering the same thing. i seem to be the only one
I'm sure this has been discussed previously, but whatever happened to the Jackson kid who had the big game against South Pittsburg as a freshman in the state championship game?
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On 10/9/2023 at 5:07 AM, Southtowner said:
We're under attack folks.
Spammers.
Could be Russians.
They're 5 pages deep.
Go @CoachT!
@rebelwoman87, they're back.
WERE'S THAT DILLARD MAN AT? HE CAN BUILD THESE WEB SIGHTS SO THEY CANT' BE HAKED.
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Love football at all levels from middle school to the NFL, but after watching well over 300 different teams in 9 southeastern states over the years, high school football holds a special place in my heart. Last night, we watched Pahokee at Atlantic in Delray Beach, FL. We sat with the Pahokee fans, who packed the visitor's side while Atlantic maybe had 400 people in the home stands, which probably hold between 3-4K. The Pahokee fans were crazy loud, had cowbells and air horns and their band played constantly for what made a great atmosphere to be in. We love going to different communities and eating at different mom & pop restaurants like last night's Fran's Fried Chicken Haven.
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On 9/17/2023 at 7:40 PM, WaCoJaCo said:
A running clock would not help DB. What they need is to stay just under the running clock and play 2nd and 3rd. stringers the whole second half. Or should I say Juniors and Sophs. They need to just start thinking about next year. They're going nowhere this year.
I despise the running clock. I understand the intent of it, but unless you've got a case of some B-hole coach who leaves his starters in to run the score up on an opponent, all the running clock does is take way playing time for kids (on both teams) who normally don't get much.
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13 hours ago, blazer1set said:
This game is most likely for #1 place in R1/6A.... Shouldn't there be more chatter going on?
Chatter? There's what, maybe 5-10 DB fans who post here and a couple or so JeffCo posters? I'm not sure how much chatter you're looking for. My interest in DB football has fallen off since our grandson graduated last year, I still keep up with it through this site, but it's more of a casual interest. For most people, unless they have someone close to them playing, high school football is just another form of entertainment in an area with many other entertainment options. We went to our 9th high school game of the year tonight. It was between #3 (Class 4M) Sanford Seminole and #3 (Class 3S) Treasure Coast and there were less than 1K people in the stands, with the majority being students there to socialize. People just have other options.
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33 minutes ago, woodby30 said:
Why could they just not resume tomorrow night and legit reason?
What do you do about....
* Gate receipts? Did everyone get their money back tonight? Would they have to pay to get back in tomorrow night?
* Officials? The crew who officiated tonight is probably calling a game somewhere else tomorrow night and there's a shortage of officials.
I live in South Florida, and about the only games I've seen made up are district games, played the next day or on Monday. Yesterday Palm Beach Gardens played at Vero Beach in a game ppd from Friday because of a COVID outbreak at PBGHS, but that was a game that was ppd before it started. Treasure Coast and Pahokee were playing a couple of years ago and severe weather moved in before the end of the 1st quarter and it wound up being canceled.
Basically, it's high school football, and as much as we love it, it's not the NFL or college football where TV contracts are made and they'll do whatever possible to try and get the game in no matter how long it takes.
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6 hours ago, EHSTrack06 said:
The last game EHS played Alcoa before we went to 4A we had our best chance to close the gap. Imagine if Witten had the resources of a SH or a DB. You'd be looking at Maryville 2.0
I was at the last Alcoa game. Betsy gave them all they could handle and had a shot to win.
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Weres' that Dillard man that used to create these web sights?
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On 8/19/2023 at 11:04 AM, WaCoJaCo said:
Witten applied for the head coaching job at DB when Clark retired. The word is they passed him over for consideration because he wanted to bring one or two coaches from Betsy with him. I believe the truth is that Clark picked his replacement from the get-go and all the interviews were just for show. And that shows that in Kingsport it's not about winning or the kids or the fans. It's all about keeping the "Good Ole' Boy Network" in power. The football program will never be anything more than it is right now today. Somewhat average.
The coaching "search" was a farce. Christian is a nice guy, but things are never going to change.
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On 8/19/2023 at 10:19 AM, formerblazer said:
I stand corrected. I’ve been so used to Region 1 vs 2 alcoa Maryville Knox west Anderson the past few years I had forgotten they used to be region 3.
It looks like…..3 years they made it to the 4th round but got stuck on Alcoa and CAK. Man that’s been such a long time ago. THey got to round 4 with a pretty good team and met a very good alcoa team, although one year I remember they played them really close. My point still stands tho, it took a lot of years to get over that hump and in SH case they still deal with Maryville and for Betsy, them Greeneville and lately Anderson feel like are the hurdles to deal with in 4A.
Alcoa, CAK (Rusty Bradley era) and Greeneville (Ballard era) are way more than a "hump" to get over. More like getting over the Himalayas, and IMO not a reflection on Witten's coaching ability.
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17 minutes ago, formerblazer said:
How many years did Shawn have to invest to get past a third round game? Wasn’t it 15 -17 years?
Seriously? He started coaching there in 2007 and was in the 4th round in season 3.
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10 hours ago, WaCoJaCo said:
Science Hill should go ahead and invest heavily in Shawn Witten. Their going nowhere with the staff they have. Witten would build a Maryville like program in three years. There's a lot of talent in Johnson City year in and year out.
Obviously, but highly unlikely. I'm guessing it would take a pile of money to move Witten, and even then, he may not be interested in leaving his hometown. It will take several years, but if they have upgraded their youth league the way my friend who works for Parks & Rec says they have, it will pay off. No more dads coaching their sons for a couple of years and moving on.
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Not sure why anyone would be surprised by this game. Lizabethun has a better staff and a better, more organized program from the youth leagues on up. Johnson City Parks & Rec has taken over the youth league this year from the Boys & Girls Club and invested heavily in it, so we'll see if it pays off in a few years. For now though, Lizabethun (and Greeneville) are the two best programs in upper East TN for the foreseeable future.
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10 hours ago, blazer1set said:
I don't disagree about the numbers, but a school with 3x the population should statistically have that many more athletes roaming the halls. As far as the QB, I can't imagine why a guy would not want to play at Elizabethton, they have way more probability of winning a state title.
Numbers don't mean squat if you don't have both the coaching and youth league infrastructure to go with it.
Future of Dobyns Bennett Football
in Class 5A & Class 6A
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You keep harping on enrollment, but it doesn't mean squat without a good infrastructure and organization from the youth leagues on up, and it's never going to matter who DB hires as a head coach until that is addressed.