hoopsrgr8

Thank You "luvsmokymnts" That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about!!! TSSAA & Wilson County BOE & Schools Director, READ THE ARTICLE BELOW http://www.dnj.com/article/20090614/OPINIO...rule+violations

I will answer to the best of my ability, but I do not comprehend much of your post/questions. This thread has already taken waaay too much of my time. 1)March 16th- Filming - Don't know 2)Film sent to TSSAA? By whom- A Civic Group 3)Film sent to TSSAA By coachT - Confirmed by CoachT 4)Violations noted on film sent to TSSAA--?- Don't know, TSSAA Business 5)Alledged Investigation by Tssaa--?- Confirmed, but still TSSAA Business 6)Sanctions by TSSAA--?- Unconfirmed Statement from reliable source 7)Discussion with associate coach about sanctions--May but sanctions not posted. Correct 8)Discussion with hoopsrgrg8 with new revelations as his discussions with helping MJ parents with MJ problems and getting involved with another schools program June16-17(says he is a coach at another school)- He or She? No involvement - listened to comments - read Girls basketball calendar & told them where to find it on TSSAA website 9)other violations concerning situation including intentional and malicious conduct-?- Parents state that according to Girls basketball calendar, more practices occuring than allowed by TSSAA. I hope they turn him in, but doubt they will for several reasons. Use your imagination or refer back to my previous posts. I see some coaches and administrators outraged and I see others shaking their heads and chuckling about the video stating it's OK, everyone does it. The apathy and acceptance of rule violations is a bad thing for High School Sports. I'm Praying for change.

For what it's worth, the only issue that IS heresay is whether or not the TSSAA has issued sanctions. All other issues are substantiated fact. The video proves that the MJ coach cannot say it was an accident or he didn't understand the rules as they were written. He knew he was violating the rules because he had someone there (the ball boy) trying to cover for him and he was trying not to be so obvious by sitting behind the bench. During the time the video was being viewed and discussed on CoachT and forwarded to the TSSAA, the MJ coach was practicing more than the alotted time given by the TSSAA. How do I know? I have many friends and associates at MJ and a friend's daughter is on the MJ team. They have contacted me numerous times concerning TSSAA interpretation of the girls basketball calendar. I can assure you that there have been many more violations documented by parents of players. What good does it do to document violations if you can't turn them in? Would a coach be committing these violations if they did not consider themselves immune to TSSAA sanctions? I seriously doubt it and the parents see this also. Inadvertant violations are one thing and should be treated as such when handing down sanctions. Intentional & malicious violations are a totally different subject and should be treated as such when handing down sanctions. I could be wrong, but I think this neat little package you created will unravel and the issue is far from being over.

Correct. There was nothing confirmed. It was just a question in passing from a coach close to the program, "Did you hear about Fryer on YouTube?" I replied that I had just recently seen the video on CoachT and they told me that the sanctions had been handed down from the TSSAA and what they were. I can only remember 2 of the 3 stated. If correct and I hope they are not, it basically says cheating is OK. I have no idea what the details, if any, are between the school & the TSSAA. After the YouTube video came out, a friend with the TSSAA did confirm that there were in fact violations and the TSSAA was looking into it, but that it did not necessarily mean the TSSAA would act on the violations. Any action would be left to the discretion of the Executive Director. At the time, it was Ronnie Carter. Although his violations have been a running joke among coaches for years, the answer is NO, I nor my school turned the MJ coach in to the TSSAA. I saw MJ last week in Murfreesboro and have seen them around this week in Shelbyville. Every time I see their coach, I can't help thinking of the video and what an embarrasment he is to the school & the coaching profession.

I'm fairly new to CoachT so I try to watch & listen more than express opinion. MJ is not my school although I have many friends and collegues that teach & coach at MJ. I make few posts due to time constraints. Yes, I have a bone to pick. I was told in May that sanctions were placed, however I have not seen anything in the paper as was the case for the Riverdale coach. The sanctions explained to me were a joke. They would only apply to people that try to follow the rules. A TSSAA official stated that by the time a coach is exposed cheating, it is usually just a fraction of what they have actually been doing. MJ friends close to the program told me this particular coach has been cheating for 10 years. When I see a coach openly cheat, putting his team & program at risk of sanctions, get caught and not be replaced, it does nothing to deter this coach and other coaches from committing more violations. Penalties should be swift & severe to discourage cheating. Nobody is perfect, but coaches are supposed to be setting an example. Anyone that would condone a coach cheating has some serious deficiencies in ethics. When I hear that this coach received special treatment because his principal sits on the TSSAA, it smells of corruption and tells me that changes need to be made starting at the top. I've been associated with girls basketball since 1968. Nobody hates to lose more than I do, but the thought of cheating to gain an advantage over my opponents never enters my mind. If we can't win through hard work & strategy, we'll take the loss. No, I don't know why the 4 Juniors quit, but MJ is a small-medium sized community and there aren't many secrets there. You are right, the 4 Juniors quitting is unusual and should raise some concern. The point made of all 4 Juniors quitting the program was that there is a problem and from what I'm told, it's been going on for some time. I don't need permission from parents to post the fact that 4 Juniors quit a program. I don't agree with players being allowed to vote on other players staying or going. Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest? The less players, the more playing time for other players. Whether a player comes or goes should not be decided by a popularity contest. Part of our job as coaches is to build & nurture team chemistry. I will now step down from the soapbox /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

According to my MJ friend, Worden55 is correct. There are a lot of people that want him gone and are working towards that goal. They even have a website. I don't think this is just a speeding ticket. MJ friend said He started coaching and practicing what was left of his team (losing 4 seniors and all 4 juniors had quit) in March '08 2 to 3 days a week. There is supposed to be a 3 week Dead Period after the last game. Meanwhile he was requiring his team to practice and play games and tournaments while school was still in session (another TSSAA violation). While sanctions were being handed down from TSSAA, it did not slow him down a bit. He and his staff were / are still breaking TSSAA rules. How do sanctions work if the coach & administration don't follow the rules anyway? His principal must really have alot of TSSAA friends to just thumb their noses at the rules & sanctions! If you want to make a comparison to a traffic viaolation this would be more like several DUI's.

That's scary, but you're probably right. Giving the Executive Director that much discretion is asking for trouble in the form of favoritism or even financial corruption. All violations should be reported to a BOD to lower the odds of favoritism or corruption. Why have TSSAA rules if they are not going to be enforced at all or are arbitrarily enforced? In talking to a Mt. Juliet resident, she says he hasn't even slowed down since the video. She said he's currently recruiting a player from Lebanon and that the Mt. Juliet Mafia will take care of everything. It seems that Mt. Juliet Principal Mr. Brown's school has TSSAA immunity since he's on the TSSAA Legislative Council. Amazing!

I can't understand how Murfreesboro Riverdale coach Maxwell can get sanctioned so severely for an inadvertant violation of allowing the Middle School girls team in the locker room for drinks & snacks. While the video of coach Fryer coaching the varsity and 8th graders in the same tournament seems to be recruiting violations much more so than snacks & drinks in the locker room. This guy gets turned in in August 08 for years of documented intentional violations and the TSSAA didn't even investigate the charges. To me, it reeks of favoritism or unequal and arbitrary enforcement of the rules. If so, the TSSAA needs more scrutiny than it currently has. If I was Riverdale coach Maxwell and Principal Tom Nolan, I would be watching these developments very closely.

If it effects the reputation of the school, the reputation of the Coach and ESPECIALLY the needs eventually of the Student Athletes which is important to everyone especially the parents. Which says this, IMO, EVERYONE at a school should be wary that the schools are going by the rules. If they aren't your student/athlete's potential aspirations are at risk. That is why this is so important that the decision, if it has to be made, has to be made right and definitely not in the press or by someone posting or copying off of UTube. The TSSAA is aware of the video. It is my understanding from sources close to the subject is that a group of people that want Coach Fryer removed due to his years of TSSAA transgressions notified the TSSAA several months ago. The TSSAA was made aware of Coach Fryer's many infractions with the understanding if nothing transpired from the TSSAA, it would be made public. I'm told there is much more evidence against Coach Fryer and possibly even the MJHS administration than just the 1 video. Our opinions don't matter. It is entirely up to the TSSAA and the MJHS administration what happens next. Sadly there is no consideration of the position cheating puts the girls and the school's basketball program in. Isn't it supposed to be all about teaching the athletes good sportsmanship, ethics and dedication? It seems the main focus of High School Sports has been lost.

JT hit the nail on the head. Simply put, Fryer got caught. Regardless of how much you like or dislike him or the MJ program, cheating cannot be justified.