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SDHelen624 your coacht days will be limited if I see anymore posts like this.
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What's up with Ravenwood beating Brentwood? Is everyone getting along on the Bruin team? I heard Mashburn quit because of playing time and Rothamel had a few choice words for the coach at the start of the season. Any truth in these rumors?
Ravenwood is a good team, Brentwood is a good team. Good teams beat good teams. We have played both. Split with Brentwood, Beat Ravenwood. When we played Brentwood I saw a good group of players who got along, respected and played hard for their coach. Let's don't get anything started on a message board that allows anyone to get on her and say "what's up with so and so. I heard there are issues, blah blah blah." If I had a daughter playing ball Jamie would be one of my top choices as a coach.
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Speaking as a parent, I think these changes are long over due. It's time to stop the ever creeping intrusion into the home life of these kids. Playing high school ball is as much a learning experience as the classroom and should be valued as such. However, they should not be limited to one sport by some coach who thinks his or her sport is the only one that matters. For example, these baseball coaches that require a player to play on their summer team in order to make the high school team will be out of luck. Basketball coaches and players will have more summer to spend with their families. The list goes on.
I think you have misread the proposal. In the summer there is no limit on who plays with who, just during the school year. This is not a big issue as most top level travel teams are not that dominated by one school on a team. It does however effect the fall programs that allow high school teams the opportunity of playing together as a unit. I guess they figure the 10 days in October replace the fall schedule. As far as "one sport coach" the very serious athletes realize the need to limit the number of sports they participate in esp if they want to get to the next level. I don't see as many kids burned on a focus of one sport but rather the completely burned out athlete coming out of a fall and a winter sport attempting to play a spring sport. By then they are done!
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I would put several teams from Tennessee up there with St. Benedict. Soddy would be one of them. One bad game does not make them a lesser team. Also Riverdale has beat them . Baylor is a good team too as are several other Tennessee teams. No, I would not single out St. Benedict to be the only Tennessee team worthy of the top 25, they are just the only one to fly to Texas to "BE SEEN"
I would have to single them out at this time as numero uno. St. Benedict would have to be rated tops in Tennessee based on their performance in the bracket games of the Beech Playday and the Hendersonville Tournament. Pool play is important in seeding but I know how we approach it and we save arms a lot of the time. They are a good team. There is a lot of balance this year and teams are going to loose in time limit pool games. Until someone steps up, they are the best. Time will tell.
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Best players play regardless of class/age. Period.
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I agree. The parents and coaches are all that's needed to regulate. I've told coaches a couple of times to not pitch my daughter anymore. It's a tough call sometimes. I will say again...the pitcher knows what they can do. They have to tell if they are through.
We limit innings esp. early in the season when it is cold. Learned our lesson. Also I prefer to go back to back (esp in time limit tourneys when the average game is 5 innings maybe less) instead of pitching a game, skiping a game ,pitch a game. that's 10-11 innings in a row and usually done for the day. Now we did pitch Pieroni 21 innings straight at the Worth her sophmore year and it didn't seem to hurt her. We had Bagwell warmed up to pitch the championship but Pieroni would have killed her in the dugout just to get in. Saturday at the Hendersonville Tourney Devon went 11 in a row and was done for the day. Amanda pitched the semis and would have the finals had we won in the semis.
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St Benedict over Dickson
Hendersonville over St. Benedict
Riverdale over St. Benedict
St. Benedict over Buckhorn
St. Benedict over Decatur
St. Benedict over Houston High
St. Benedict over Wilson Central
St. Benedict over Good Pasture
St. Benedict over Riverdale
Great Tournament too many games for girls to play in one day in my opinion. Did not finish until around midnight Saturday night.........
We would have gladly played one more game
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STD, I don't disagree with you on many points. I only question a good point you make; style of pitching, teams played on,etc. I do believe the overall play today is better with many good players, but I don't see as many dominant players as in the past. Question;"Could you " put a team together today as good as that Gold team or Don's teams during the 90's. Have any current teams in this state accomplished what they did over the same time period?? I really don't know and just asking. And yes the dementia is setting in. lol.
Bigchief and others gave some impressive stats on the old timers, and I just ask who can match them in the last 4-5 years.
Bigchief, I need a little help and support here. Ha, Ha.
You just don't get it. The past is the past and you want to live in it. There is no way to compare era then and era now. CU31 single wall bats had a lot less rebound effect than the multiple walls or the new composite bats. Routine fly balls hit 180 feet in 1995 probably go 220 off the new composites. A lot of routine outs off of a Siebel rise ball are out of the yard today. A lot of hard hit ground balls of yesteryear were hit a a speed that allowed infielders to make plays yet add the speed off of a composite or multiple wall bat and no body touches them base hit. In the 1990s how many high school home runs did you see? Not many. Goodpasture hit over 30 in 2003 with 7 different players having at least 1. Good athletes but also good technology. In the Worth College tourney in Fullerton CA there were over 50 homeruns hit in two days. Did that happen 10 years ago?
Pieroni had a career era of .43 take out her 8th grade year at era 1.62 and it goes down to .35. 1377 career Ks and 123 wins against 12 losses with 5 losses coming in her 8th grade year against 7 wins. Brooke is up there in my book everybody knows that, Pieroni is just as good.
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How on earth can a school be open for only 3 years and put together a program that wins the AA State Championship in basketball. Did this occur with players that are zoned to the school. I think not. They are not recruiting, they are MAGNETICALLY attracting the top athletes. We must multiply before this unfair ATTRACTION becomes too strong of a force.
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Fastpitch101, I have to agree with Bigchief on this one. I have coached and played against the best of the best back in the 90's, and I have watched the talent in this state for over 20 years. I have to go with Bigchief on this one. The younger players are good, no doubt about it; BUT I believe most of the parents and players today did not have the opportunity to see the great players of the past. I try to put it all in perspective about who is the BEST. I look at what they did AFTER H.S. The players like Brooke Siebel ( I still think is the best all round ) to play in this state. Kaci Clark, April Faircloth, Beth Alexander, Amanda Fine, Jill Booth, Lindy Lowery, and others had great college careers. When you make All- American in college, you get my attention. To date, I don't know of any players in the past 4-6 years that have the college awards of these older players. Just my opinion.
Then how did any of these players get your attention? Not a single one made All American save April Faircloth who was an NAIA All American. One thing that you overlook is how the level of offensive play has improved with better technology in the bats, better hitting instruction and an overall improvement in the level of athletes entering the game. Lindy Lowery is is an all time favorite of mine as a person and a player but reality she is not in the league of a Pieroni or Rhodes, just someone you know. Lindy's sister Carrissa Lowery was a good pitcher having good success in 18 gold but got the shaft in college by a coach who didn't know how to get the job done. Kaci Clark was exceptional and Brooke may have eventually made all American if not injuried in her Junior year (hip). If you compare Siebel and Pieroni ther is not a great divide between them offensively or defensively. Pieroni won a lot of tourneys with her pitching as well as her bat. She won 10 games including tourney finals over a Soddy team that went on to win state champs with a fractured fibula (same injury that kept QB Vick of Atlanta Falcons out for a year), was off three weeks and came back to win region finals, substate and 4 straight in the state. Living in the past is a sign of dementia.
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This topic has run it's course. Most competitive preseason tourney in the state is over, great weather, St. Benedict won. Story ends until next March.
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Aren't we in it?
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Soddy Daisy beat Mount Juliet 3-0
Beech beat Riverdale 1-0
Beech beat Lincoln County prior to Riverdale game but don't know score.
Only scores I know
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In 1999 my daughter was hit in the left eye by a high and inside fastball, she is very fortunate to be able to breathe today much less see. Dr. David Sain a very competent orthodontist required his daughter to wear a face mask when she played for me in the summers. He once told me that having to reconstruct just one mouth from this type of injury was enough to convince him of the safety benefits. I do not care if you consider this a sexist issue. Now I may get bombed for saying this but I bet you that the protective reactions of the average (I said average) male playing high school baseball are overall better than the average (again average) female playing high school softball. The girls also have less reaction time at 40 ft. on a 60 mph pitch verses a 60 ft. 80 mph pitch. ERA do the math. Another thing I don't really care what the guys do as long as they stay away from my players.
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Who are the top 5 teams in the state this year?
5. Maryville
4. Maryville
3. Maryville
2. Maryville
1. Maryville
Brooke Melton will lead the Lady Rebs to and undefeated state championship...just watch!
Are you taking even money on this bet?
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I have known Rebecca Eldridge from watching her play in high school (Soddy Daisy), having a daughter play with her in the summer in the highest division of softball, 18 Gold, seeing her excel in college, and traveling throughout the country with her and her family. Believe me when I say this is a person of high integrity. No way she would play politics with a kid, play favorites, or in any way hurt a team's chances of being the best they could possibly be. Rhea County is lucky to have a person of this type in their program. Parents can be blind to the abilities of their children and when they take it to this level they need someone to step up just as this board did.
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mj for sure.
they have been playing good so far this year, i watched them play in the MJ playday and they kept everybody they played on their toes, never losing a game
also, central has lost a lot of their outfield--gooch and that leftie in right field.
sftbal4lfe note that your post has been edited. One more comment like the one I edited and you will be edited, OUT OF HERE.
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Ooltewah in 11 innings over Goodpasture 3-2. Scoreless in time limit 5 innings, 6 innings tiebreaker. Ooltewah and Mt. Juliet in finals.
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My two cents worth: If a High School coach doesn't desire players practicing with the summer team during high school season respect the desire and don't do it. I have coached both summer and high school ball in the same year multiple times respecting the dead period (maybe one year an inadvertant slip that was self reported and resolved with a penalty). I personally see no problem with dual practice however it's just up to the individual coach period. Don't put the player in the middle, that's wrong.
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thanks. what about Jellie? she's got be going big.
I have a great deal of respect for this player. She is what a coach looks for in a team member. She has excellent skills as a player but more importantly she has respect for the game. She can play anywhere she wants to.
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It is extremely easy to tell who recruits and who does not recruit in both the public and private school arenas. In D-2 it is obvious that Brentwood Academy, Memphis University School, Christian Brothers, Ensworth, Montgomery Bell Academy, Baylor, McCallie, and Briarcrest all recruit in numerous sports (such as Baylor for wrestling and MBA for football). In D-1 it' is also very easy to see who recruits: Riverdale, David Lipscomb, Goodpasture, Covington Academy, and Ravenwood (T.C Jennings went to Brentwood Academy his eighth grade year and "decided" to go to Ravenwood the next year). It is a very ignorant statement saying that nobody in the state recruits because the schools that do are the ones winning state championships:
1. Ravenwood State AAAAA champions in football
2. Baylor State champions in traditional and dual meet state wrestling last year.
3. Lipscomb sate runner up in AAA football this year
4. Covington Academy State Champions in AAA football this year.
5 Goodpasture runner up in AA football this year
These are just a few of the State Championships each of the schools above have one because of recruiting.
Not a single school with the exception of BA (and that was overturned I beleive) has been sanctioned or punished by the TSSAA in any way for illegal contact with an athlete. But I bet you know someone who has a cousin who works with an aunt whose sister knows a parent of an athlete in Chattannooga who was approached by Baylor about going to school to wrestle, right? The schools you listed may have had students moved or paid tuition to attend out of legal choice. Not a single thing wrong with that and the whine you can make out of your sour grapes should be delicious with a good cheddar.
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Private schools advertise for students preferably good athletes.
Public schools run public service announcements to inform the public about their school.
Just like, private schools recruit athletes to come to their school.
Because of their success, public schools are able to "attract" athletes to come to their school .
VG,
Did you understand the difference now?
Here's the deal:
Successfull athletic programs produce free advertisement. Do you not think that parents of young athletes don't read the sports page and read XYZ Public School or ABC Private won a state championship therefore we need to investigate how we can get go to that school?
Successfull athletic programs at public schools attract athletes examples Riverdale in football, Shelbyville in basketball etc.
Successfull athletic programs in DI private schools attract Tuitioin Paying Students which the schools need to stay open. They just happen to sometimes be potential athletes
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Soddy suffered the sophmore jinxs last year. It happened to us 4 years ago. A lot of young talent with 1 years experience behind them but just couldn't get it done in crunch time. With another years experience behind them, I look for them to bring it home. But beware of the Brentwood Bruins this year. They are hungry and very talented.
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1. Straight up student population based with 3 classes, schools can elect to play up, 16 teams in each class make the playoffs.
2. Total Split (Without any future comments from the publics coming on here and saying XYZ County would have killed ABC Private if they played this year). With three public classes and two private classes.
3. Do away with high school athletics
4. Multiplier
5. Merit
6. One class
No public tax dollars to subsidize athletics, each county system must have self sustaining program. It is not a right to have non academic programs at the tax payors expense.
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It's early. Most of these teams have played each other with fairly mixed results. FRA beat Goodpasture, Goodpasture beat Riverdale, Hendersonville, split with Brentwood, beat Ryan in preseason and lost to Mt. J in preseason. Hendersonville has impressive win verses St. Benedict. Riverdale has made the finals in the Hendersonville tourney and won the MTSCA tourney. Most of these games are time limited and usually just 5 innnings at best. A 2-1 win in 5 innings might not hold up one more time through the line-up. There is a lot of balance in Middle TN this year and it will show in the end. The teams that play and survive in the big events will get to the top by the end. Right now Riverdale should be on top in my opinion. Lots of ball to be played. But hey, it is all about May.