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I hope we can put this to rest soon. What is it that makes people so mad about these things? No one forced this kid to go to Ensworth. He wasn't hauled away from Mt. Pleasant kicking and screaming. He left because he and his dad wanted him to do so. He states that he is happier, that there are more African-American kids there, that the facilities are better, that he is getting a lot of close academic attention, and that the athletic coaching is good. This is not to slight Mr. Pleasant, it is just what he and his dad report. So why are people mad? If I read the replies here correctly, and all the inferences, it is because a really good athlete was lost to Mt. Pleasant. That's it. For some of these people, this young man was just a big dude who could play ball for Mt. Pleasant. There has been far too little "I'm really happy for this kid that he had this chance, and took it. I wish him well." And yes, there a whole lot of kids who come from far distances to Ensworth, kids who aren't 6' 6", who aren't athletes. They fit in well, too, and some of them get scholarships, and some of the friends and parents they "left behind" are actually proud of them and happy for them.
I was rolling along--believing what you said--right up until you made the statement that there were more African-Americans at Ensworth than at MPHS. I don't believe that. I also think you might be missing the point. We aren't mad that we lost an athlete--Antonio didn't play much football until high school--we lost a great kid. Where was Ensworth when he was in elementary school and couldn't play Pop Warner Football because was too big? We are proud and happy-------and feel robbed!
In order to feel robbed, someone must take your property away. That's what public school fans don't get. The kid was not your property to begin with. Never was.
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Vandy Hoosiers is right in some regards...The academies can operate this way, and I'm sure they see Darkwa as an ideal candidate for their system. They will send him most likely to the prep school and see if he can handle the workload, and if so, he'll matriculate on campus a year later. The academies can't redshirt so this is what they do. They also look at the "whole person" as opposed to just SAT/ACT scores. He is obviously doing a lot right in life to be pursued by Army.
This isn't an indictment of EHS as I can recall a specific case from MBA several years ago in which a player wasn't recruited by Vandy for academic reasons but was recruited/offered by Army as well.
As a Navy man I don't really care to see the man head to that community college on the Hudson and face Navy.....
(that last part was sarcasm, itzme and others).
Sarcasm? What's that?
BTW, I'd root for the Middies over the Army team all day, every day. Couple of pretty good ex-BA players there, as you might know.
Too many kids/parents of kids put way too much emphasis on getting the best athletic opportunity in college, rather than the best academic and life-skills opportunity. Unless being a pro is the goal, use the athletic ability to get the best college education you can.
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Itzme posted - "What I stated was that Ensworth is beginning to have an impact on both MBA and BA athletically. It's also having an impact on Harpeth Hall and BA in girl's athletics. Clearly all of these programs will "be OK", but the impact is there."
Exactly! Those programs will be impacted. Will they still be successful? Very likely they will. Why is it so difficult for particularly MBA supporters to admit that other programs even exist.
And you wonder why people find on overbearing and pompous.
Love the new avatar! Hope things are going well over at another of my favorite schools!
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I admit to hijacking the thread, but it was simply easier that way.
I really don't have the inclination to research every MBA, BA and EHS player in terms of where they went to middle school. As I stated...time will tell on all this. I could be wrong. It has been known to happen. I sincerely hope all of these schools continue to excel at what they do.
RRR...funny line!
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I remember reading something from a trader on Wall St. who said, "making lots of money here is easy, if all you care about is making money." Winning at football like this is also easy, if all you care about is winning at football.
Are you implying that Ensworth's sole goal is to win at football? I don't think that any of us that are DII fans should stoop to that level of discourse.
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Of course they are coming from the same places...there just aren't as many of them, nor are they the quality that MBA used to get. It's simple math. When another top program is added in an area, it dilutes the talent. In addition, although most of your teammates came from those schools, a few of the best players did not, and those types of players make a ton of difference.
We'll see how it shakes out. The evidence is on my side of the argument so far.
The game last year was very close...MBA came back from probably the worst start to a game the school's ever had. Suppose they'd held the lead and won, thus had a 2-1 record againt Ensworth (same record Ensworth has now). Would you use that limited evidence to argue that Ensworth was having no effect at all on the MBA program, given that on the same basis you're saying that Ensworth is having a devatstaing effect on MBA?
Certainly Ensworth is getting some kids who would have gone to MBA. But MBA is also getting more kids from less traditional places as well. They're having no trouble filling classes with very well qualified young men. Nashville is bigger than it was in the '70's, and a greater percentage of parents are sending kids to private schools. We'll be ok.
Please point out where I stated that "Ensworth is having a devastating effect on MBA"? Your old MBA debate team coach would not look favorably on such obvious rhetorical overkill.
What I stated was that Ensworth is beginning to have an impact on both MBA and BA athletically. It's also having an impact on Harpeth Hall and BA in girl's athletics. Clearly all of these programs will "be OK", but the impact is there.
Just for the record, I have nothing but the greatest respect for Coach Bowers as a coach. He is incredible...Probably the best coach I have ever seen at the high school level. I think you also know that I have great respect for both MBA and Ensworth as schools. Both add a lot to the Nashville community.
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Of course they are coming from the same places...there just aren't as many of them, nor are they the quality that MBA used to get. It's simple math. When another top program is added in an area, it dilutes the talent. In addition, although most of your teammates came from those schools, a few of the best players did not, and those types of players make a ton of difference.
We'll see how it shakes out. The evidence is on my side of the argument so far.
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Ricky Bowers has had great players flock to him wherever he has gone.
All the MBA posters that proclaim that the Big Red only won in the Bowers years due to having physically overmatched, but really smart and better-coached teams make me chuckle.
Give me a break!
Even in the years when he was a BA assistant the Eagles had the best talent they have ever had.
As long as he is the head coach at Ensworth, they will be very competitive. The "Ensworth effect" is beginning to really have an impact on both BA and MBA athletically...especially MBA. The Big Red supporters can deny it all they want, but in their gut, they know it is real. Most of those players you see on the Ensworth team today would have been on MBA's team 4-5 years ago. Maybe a couple would have played for BA also.
Good for Ensworth. They are really building a quality program there.
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MBA-BA is more like what Tennessee-Alabama used to be before all the legal shennanigans cast a cloud over it. Two storied programs with loads of respect for one another and the titles to go with it.
You talking about Alabama's past probation, or the Tennessee one that's a couple of years down the pike?
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MUS is the best team in the state this year...by far!
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Actually, I think you'd be team mom emerita, unless there's a great deal you're not telling us.
That's a joke I'd bet a lot of money would never be seen on the DI boards. But then, I guess I'm lucky to understand it, since I am an "alumni" of public schools!
Doesn't get much funnier than Latin grammar!!
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I'm afraid I might not have behaved totally classy Friday night. Something about if you reach for the flag you had better throw it! As to Brentwood they will have a good program under Coach Potter. They will be well coached and he will demand the very best from them. Now, mind you, I'm still working on letting it go that he left us for them! I will always be in his debt for easing my son's transition to varsity as a freshman and for teaching a mom alot about the game of football and how much time and heart a coach puts into it every day!
I think some posters just have been busy. I have been lurking and reading but not always time to post!
I'm sure others are the same. Hopefully more will be able to access computers in the future
. I had to go the 5AAA boards to try to talk to the McMinn County folks! Looking forward to the Brentwood game in October, it will be blue son's senior night! Bluemom will need stock in Kleenex! Since he is my only, do you think I could remain a team mom emeritus?
Go Blue
I'll just add that one of the real pleasures of having BA compete in DII was the opportunity to interact with the McCallie "family". To me, they always represented an ideal of what sportsmanship was all about, both the players and the fans.
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Good to see you back. I thought most of the BA people had gotten tired of the recruiting shots and departed. Good luck this season (except against MBA).
Not only the recruiting shots, but all the other general nonsense that goes on at CoachT. I have a pretty thick skin, and would be more of an active poster, (albeit while gritting my teeth and trying not to argue online with 15 year olds!) but I really don't keep up with BA athletics much anymore since both my kids graduated. Unlike many, I just don't think I should post when I don't really know much. Hope the Eagles have a good year though.
Still enjoy reading the posts from time to time however! Shout out to RRR...Where does 2 losses in a row rank all-time in TN?
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If you're talking overall excellence and consistency, it's Brentwood Academy. Period.
If you're looking at public schools, I think I'd take Bearden, Oak Ridge, Houston, Maryville and Brentwood, although that varies year to year.
It is mostly about coaching. Not so much the technical aspects, although that is important, but more about which coaches can spot the talent in their student body, and get them to come out for T&F rather than some other Spring sport.
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High school throwers tend to be inconsistent, especially in the discus. It's all about who peaks for the big meets at the end of the year. Good to see some local kids doing so well.
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Highland Games @ FRA and the Scott Hartman meet @ Brentwood. 2 of the BHS kids went over 50 in both the meets. The 10 grader is hurt but should be back this week to get some marks in before Districts. He should go over 53 if he's 100% over from injury.
Yeah...I saw the two BHS kids listed over 50 in the paper this week. That's really good. Did they get a new throwing coach? They have never been very good in the past.
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Went up to the meet at Austin Peay last weekend and I have to say the throwing event were run so poorly that with two flights of boys and two flights of girls in each event, it took them 5 hours to get threw them all. I??™ve been around throwing events for a long time and have never seen anything like it. But I digress.
The throwing events are, unfortunately, pretty consistently poorly run. They do a good job at the state meet, but that's about it. Even at the Great Eight Meet at Vandy few years back they had members of their women's track team managing the men's shot, and they were actually measuring from the center of the ring for a few throws until I could grab a coach and get it corrected.
What can you do??!!
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You may need to be over 50 feet this year to make it to state if you??™re in the same region as Brentwood (In Kennwood). They (Brentwood HS) have 3 kids over 50 feet this year. One of them will go 53 or 54. (10 grade) That leaves 1 spot out there to fight for:
Really? What meets?
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He has since changed his commitment to Vandy in case you did not hear.
Yeah...even better! Is he not playing basketball? I have not seen his name in the boxscores lately.
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Is Thad McHaney injured or something? I haven't seem his name in the boxscores for quite a while.
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If you want TSSAA decisions to be made by referendum, then propose an amendment to the TSSAA constitution to do away with the Legislative Council and the Board of Control... and be prepared to spend a whole lot more of your time dealing with things that others presently take care of for you, including many that you may not care much about but will now have to take time and energy to address. And then also be prepared to be criticized by all those who, however ill-informed or uninformed, disagree with you.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt (1910).
That was Richard Nixon's favorite quote also.
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If they are in a BCS conference, it is like USC in the PAC-10.
You mean the only conference undefeated in Bowl games this season? /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" />
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With all the money your site rakes in? C'mon, don't be a scrooge!
I hear she landed on her feet as Ensworth's new recruiting coordinator. BA got outbid...again!! /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
. I had to go the 5AAA boards to try to talk to the McMinn County folks!
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