i am talking about claiming to be the oldest organization. i do know elite had other teams behind the original group.i think that the last group of the elite organization is in 16 this year. there are a lot of players out there that have played at one time or another with the nighthawks. so what is wrong with that picture? i am talking about teams that have for the most part players that have stayed together . elite had leslie baron, lindsey howard, carissa lowery, courtney boynton, jessica seymore, ashley dickerson, kristen stanfill, shelly floyd that stayed together to work as a team base for years. i believe steve dickerson and frankie matthews have jeff beat by a couple of years as far as being together as an organization. yes, we do have numbers that show a decline in teams. yes, it is in asa. in a meeting approx. 1 month ago asa in this region showed us the figures.