i have heard stories of how nobody used to be able to touch jeff in basketball. unfortunatly i wasn't around to see him play, but i have played softball with and against him. i have seen him hit balls that would make ur mouth hang open. in excess of 400 ft, and for those who have played, u know how hard that is. u can tell he is an natural athlete, and his work ethic is unparalleled. on top of all that, he is a great guy. so just to agree with the others, believe what u hear about jeff arms.