cobrakid8

4 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

You are idiotic. I posted exactly what I said I had and what Knox offered u big dipshit. Haha

You said That Rex chickened out and ran from Cleveland. I literally said that was because Knox offered them to come to Cleveland and wrestle, you said it didn’t say anything about the where and guess what moron! The first dang offer was to come to Cleveland Duals! So maybe quit talking out your as$ when you are that stupid! You can go back and look that entire thread up and see how stupid you looked! You said Rex and Baylor ran and were proven to look stupid, even your own text proved you were an idiot! Thats why no one takes you seriously on here! So run on along Trey Bandwagon

18 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

He wouldn't be..... 

say it!  Are you too scared to rep Soddy on here after kissing Clevelands as$ the entire time you post on here!  As I said there are some in that gym with you that would love to know who you are on here if you are that close tot he program! So let it fly!  

19 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

You are a total moron. And making yourself look like a tool. If you only knew his son and Freco, you will be embarrassed

Only one that’s looked a fool on here so often has been you! Made you look a fool for a long time! Even made you look a moron when I said I bet the first thing Knox offered to Baylor to wrestle had to be at home and you said it was never even mentioned lol. You posted the “text” and the first dang thing it said was come to the Cleveland Duals, weeks later was the offer for a dual!   You looked a fool then and look one now! 

17 minutes ago, TheTreyB said:

Most people that know wrestling know who it is… that tells us all we need to know about you. 

If that’s the case say his name on here, I mean someone think first mistook me back in 2004 for someone good, mistakes can be made. So all he has to do is quit being a chicken and say it for the group! There are plenty of people on Soddy side close to the program that don’t know who it is or hope it’s not who they think! 

4 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

I guarantee you will not hear my son talk like you. And you better hope @Rasslinking was wrong and  you were a world champ if you put his name in your mouth. If you talk like that around kids, then you are part of the problem and it is a good thing you are not in the classroom.

It would surprise you what your kids talk like when you aren’t around, those the strictest with what you call bad language are usually the worse, from the language they talk to the music they listen to. Hate to tell you that! If rasslinking is to chicken to put his name on here, he can’t be to tough! I think it was you said something about people hiding behind their screen names here. I’ve said mine multiple times since I’ve been on here since 2004(heck maybe before that).  I did pro rassle after graduating, it was fun while it lasted, met some good people with it. Even met AJ Styles, was a fun time till injuries start to pile up. Rasslinking was never that,  if he was he wouldn’t ever hide his name! 

2 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

You were not good.... that truth

Also I went back and looked since I cant find the video. But Davis was beating Russell at the Keller Classic 3-0 when he got thrown and pinned. That might not happen in folkstyle since after the first TD they wouldn’t have been stood back up to neutral and Russell would have maybe spent 2 mins underneath a 285 lb guy. 

Just now, Rasslinking said:

You were not good.... that truth

Were you? Because you to chicken to say your name on here! We already told you, you didn’t rassle but were you any good at that? Prob not since chicken to say the name! 

9 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

You did not even mention Crowder in your post until AFTER you said that. You were talking about Gentle vs. Russell and Levy being the reason you think Gentle beats Russell. Nice try. I would like to believe you, but your dirty mouth makes it difficult. And where did you say Gentle beats Davis? Whatever man. All those boys are great wrestlers and could win the head to head match. I will acknowledge it even if you won’t. 

Dirty mouth lol. Boy you haven’t been in a school it seems in about 40 years! Maybe you don’t need to be sending your kid to a public school at all! I guarantee when you aren’t around they talk just as bad if not worse, I spent a few years in a classroom, my mouth isn’t nearly as bad as your kids or pretty much ANY kids when you aren’t around! 

3 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

I speak the truth. 
 

And finally you have...... yes you did.

Speak what truth? That there are some good folkstyle wrestlers that aren’t as good at FS or some great FS wrestlers that aren’t as good at folkstyle?  
 

and finally I have what? You keep making a fool of yourself, I know a few Soddy people that would love to know your name, are you to chicken to do so? 

9 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

“Also to be sleeping on him Davis from Soddy most likely beats both.”

This you @cobrakid8? I will wait.

I guess for you I am going to have to always spell out who is who since reading comprehension isn’t your thing. So I will say this. In Folkstyle which is what high school wrestling is I think the state champs for D2 and single A are Gentle and Davis. I’m not even 100% sure what Russell wins AA, but I do wish them all luck in the coming weeks with good health and great wrestling! 

7 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

“Also to be sleeping on him Davis from Soddy most likely beats both.”

This you @cobrakid8? I will wait.

Both as in Russell and Crowder but nice try. Since I was talking about the Powerade tourney. That was I think the very first time I mentioned I thought Davis would beat Russell after I said Gentle would beat him.

12 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

Man the lies are ridiculous. You literally said “Davis probably beats them both,” and then said you did not say that. You stuck your foot in your mouth and when I called you out about it, you will not even acknowledge it. You ignored the fact that Tyson pinned Davis. You ignored that fact that Tyson beat Turner WAY worse than Davis beat Turner. All you have to say is “I think Gentle and / or Davis wins, but Russell could win.” But you would rather talk dirty about @Rasslinking and make nasty jokes (which just shows further how ignorant you are) than just give the young man the respect he has clearly earned. The dirty trash out of your mouth tells me all I need to know. Your opinion holds zero weight.

Please go and find exactly where I said that Davis beats both…. I will wait because I never did. I said Gentle beats both and that Davis beats Russell. You need to again work on your reading comprehension! You have done that before and had to say you were Wrong so go ahead and do it again because that was never said! But I’ll go back to my original statement that I don’t think Russell has any chance against Gentle. Point blank! Good luck to your Raiders in the coming weeks! 

5 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

@cobrakid8 I need some help interpreting this one:

Davis beats Caleb Turner 2 - 1

Tyson beats Caleb Turner 11 - 6 (4 of those points were Tyson cutting him).

Does this mean Davis clearly beats Tyson too? Just want to make sure how this common opponent thing works.

Also, since Crowder pinned Caleb Turner, how does that fit in as well? Any help is appreciated.

Watched that match, was a good match for Russell for sure. I think when Crowder got his pin it was a close match and not a thrashing. I’ll have to go back and watch it. But again why didn’t Russell pin Crowder at Powerade? Started off on fire with TD’s and letting him go and just faded after that and even gave up a TD. 

1 minute ago, FrecoFanatic said:

@cobrakid8 The only head to head match between them Tyson PINNED Davis. I guess you are just going to ignore that. You can’t pick and choose what standards you apply to who. You criticize Tyson for no ranked wins, but will not acknowledge Gentle has no ranked wins. Then you try to justify picking Davis to beat Tyson because Davis pinned Crowder and Tyson did not, but completely ignore the fact that Tyson literally pinned Davis. Not to mention that you don’t give Tyson any credit for the wins over Atwood and Crowder because they are “215 lbs.”, but buddy that win over Crowder by Davis means Davis is the man! Is Davis not a HWT? Look, you can pick whoever you want, but to disrespect Tyson by saying he has no chance of beating those two guys is ridiculous. It’s not that you picked him to lose, it’s that you are saying he has no chance. Your own people (shoutout to @Rasslinking) are pointing out how ridiculous that is. I may have picked my guy, but at least I acknowledged the other two of course have a chance to win. Come on man.

One was one season, another was another season! If all you want to look at there are several past champions through the past 25 years that would have never done so if the past years results made the next years results! Rasslinking isn’t one of my people, he’s a blowhard and prob is a Cleveland fan, he’s been up in the laps giving them blowies everytime someone says anything about one of their wrestlers. Even ones that would lose for sure he’s came to their rescue, so no one I talked with at Soddy claims him, so maybe he will make his name known! Crowder has wrestled Heavy mostly ALL year long, he was losing 8-1 in 2nd period against Davis win he got pinned, Crowder wrestled Russell at heavy at Powerade and lost 10-6 to Russell. I’m not sure I have another common opponent between them and it seems to me Russell gassed at Powerade which is why he wasn’t able to pin Crowder. That is sometimes what happens when you are not a full 285lb which Russell is not. Davis is a full 285 and Russell would have trouble with him now and I’d take Davis to actually win that match. I also say that Gentle is much better than Davis is much is why I don’t think Russell would have a shot to beat him. Maybe I’m wrong and it sucks we won’t find it out, but we also might find out Russell isn’t the best 285 in AA to begin with just like we might find the same with Davis. 

8 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

@cobrakid8 You think Davis would kill them both huh? Must have had a bad day when Tyson pinned him last year. Since you guys like Trackwrestling so much, go ahead and take a look at those significant wins and the results from the Keller classic. Oh, but I am sure you will have some reason why that win doesn’t carry any weight either.

I said I think Gentle would beat them both and Davis would beat Russell. Davis has surprised the heck out of me this season watching him. Absolutely manhandling guys out there while last year he didn’t at all. Heck he didn’t even make state last year, he’s taken a huge step forward. So last years results don’t really matter because Russell wasn’t even a heavy last year, got beat at 195 by Medina. But again, why wasn’t Russell able to pin Crowder at Powerade?  Davis didn’t have that same issue. Davis has lost once this season to a guy from Dalton, that same guy got beat by Gentle which again leaves me to believe that Gentle would beat Davis and since Russell couldn’t put Crowder away but Davis did I believe Davis beats Russell. Should be a good time the next few weeks, we will see if all of them even win a state title. 

19 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

Have you ever seen either of them actually wrestle?

Honestly, if so where?

or are you sitting on your couch googling results? 

Funny thing is, you can see all of them wrestle while sitting in your chair or on a couch! For a Soddy guy you aren’t very bright so please quit making a fool of yourself on here, you are making us look bad!  But yes, seen them all wrestle.

Just now, Rasslinking said:

You do know Fargo is FS?

The tournament Levy won

 

Your arguments are struggling 

Yep, Levy won it, where did Russell finish if we want to go that way? Besides the fact I did post a place where Levy is a ranked HS wrestler and I don’t see Russell there. Also if you look on FLO for the top ranked prep school wrestlers you have Gentle ranked 5th since Flo is so important to you! But again, why did Russell beat Crowder at the Powerade tourney 10-6 but same Crowder got pinned by Davis? Or Souther the only one that beat Davis so far this year got beat by Carson Gentle?

5 minutes ago, Rasslinking said:

Russell pinned Davis 

In freestyle, last June

Was leading 8-0 

try again

FS but nice try ole rasslinking, huge difference in that and folk style I thought you knew better!!  
 

 be interested to see how he does against Mares this weekend actually if they both make it that far

9 minutes ago, FrecoFanatic said:

Lol. You must be talking about the Blackman pre-season. That was our JV kid @cobrakid8. They put him in the wrong pool and to save us from a long delay to redo brackets, we sent our JV kid during Tyson’s matches and Tyson during our JV kid’s matches. Go look up that nice win 3 - 0 day Jessie Owenby had on Trackwrestling with a big win over Rob Atwood. That was Tyson. Tyson’s only losses on the season are at Carnahan, Knockout, and Powerade. The Father Ryan tournament does not compare to Powerade. I made a pick. You made pick. I am not the one who said the other guy has zero chance. You were. And your logic is Gentle LOST to a ranked kid 8 - 4 and somehow that means more than placing at 3 of the very toughest tournaments you can go to in the country. You keep spitting out that Tyson has not beat a ranked opponent, yet you will not acknowledge that Gentle has not either? That makes zero sense. If you are going to apply that standard, then apply it to both. Gentle is very good and may well win, but don’t say Tyson has zero chance. Also, you are talking about the Atwood and Crowder wins like those don’t have any weight because Tyson wrestles heavyweight. Bro, he has been 225 all year. He is not some 285, or even 250 pound kid wrestling 215 lb guys. When they wrestled, they were the same weight.

Powerade was not that tough for a heavy, and neither was the Carnahan or Knockout. Maybe middle weights where guys like Bo Bassett or Jax Forrest wrestle but if you think Powerade was that tough for a heavy when Russell placed 5th I think it was and Crowder who placed 7th was that tough I don’t know what else to tell you! Just because a tournament is tough doesn’t mean all weights are created equal and if Davis can pin Crowder in the 2nd easily while beating him 8-1 and I don’t think Davis would have a chance against Gentle but I think Davis would beat Russell!  Also by the way the only loss I show for Davis this year is Riley Souther(Dalton) 5-2, Carson beat Souther 7-1. 

9 hours ago, FrecoFanatic said:

Gentle also has not beaten a ranked wrestler this season (maybe ever). @Rasslinking is just pointing out that an 8 - 4 loss to the one tough guy Gentle has wrestled all year is not justification to say Tyson has no chance. And @cobrakid8 if you are going to say Tyson has not beat a Flo ranked guy this season, you have to also point out that Gentle has not either. Powerade, Carnahan, and Knockout are tougher than just about any state tournament in any state, and they are certainly tougher than the one tournament that Gentle went to (Drennan Memorial). Ranked guys or not, to place at all three in one season is a freaking impressive accomplishment. The fields at those tournaments were loaded with ranked teams and there is not an easy match in any round. Both guys are strong and athletic. I just think Tyson has a little more wrestling skill and is more polished with the tough schedule he wrestled this year. For that reason I think he wins by decision in a close match.

I mean if those tournaments had been full of ranked wrestlers at heavy yeah I would say they have been tough, but the only ranked wrestler either Russell or Gentle has wrestled this year was Gentle with Levy who also won a 16U Fargo title. He didn’t get pinned by the guy and made it the entire match, that same guy will wrestle a guy that beat Russell this year at one of your mentioned tournaments 4-1. Also to be sleeping on him Davis from Soddy most likely beats both. I mean Russell beat Crowder 10-6 at Powerade(which crowder also placed at) while Davis pinned crowder while he was already beating him 8-1. But alas, I still think Gentle beats Russell handily but you all can think whatever you want, I mean he got stuck by the number 1 ranked guy at 215  earlier this season and also another guy from state of Tn. 

2 hours ago, Rasslinking said:

Dont see a way he wins?

He placed at Powerade didn't he?

I would think he would have to be skillfull enough to beat a quality kid if hes placing there.

Yes Gentile had a 8-4 match with Levy..... but didn't score an offensive point..... and per FloRankings..... he is not ranked (yes I know hes tough, yes i know he won 16U Fargo)

Not sure what rankings you saw 14 on.

https://highschool.si.com/wrestling/2024/02/02/national-top-25-high-school-wrestling-rankings-for-every-weight-class-2-3-2024
 

he didn’t beat anyone ranked to place at Powerade, Carnahan or Knockout. 
 

also Levy was ranked a bunch of times on Flo(started pre-season at 15 and moved out after Dec 13th), didn’t lose that I have seen, yet moved out of the rankings there which is kind of weird. We will still get an idea this weekend on if he wins his weight class in GA State, since most likely he will have to beat the guy down at knockout that won 4-1(no offensive point as you would say from Russell).

4 hours ago, FrecoFanatic said:

I obviously picked Tyson because I am biased. The main point I was trying to make is that picking Gentle by fall seems very unlikely. Tyson also beat Rob Atwood this year who is a 3 x State Champ in TN. That match is most likely a decision one way or another. And, to your other point, I was also pointing out some of those matchups actually have already been wrestled this season. If the kids wrestled, you can’t just give the kid that won a loss this time without justification. Cordero beat Lane in a close match. I can see that one flipping for sure, but to pick a kid to flip a match after losing 14 - 2 seems a little illogical. The 120 match was not close. I had this discussion in another thread with a McCallie dad and he picked Voiles to beat Fowler in a hypothetical. Zero logic behind that. McCallie could definitely make it super close if Lane and Ritchie were to flip matches, and Gentle was to win, but it would take a lot for them to get enough wins or enough bonus to take the dual this year. I think they just don’t matchup well against us. That is not taking anything away from them. They are very good. But a dual between two good teams is all about matchups.

I don’t see a way Russell wins that, he might have beaten Atwood, but Atwood is a 215lber not a heavy and Levy now shows as number 14 in the country at Heavy. I love Atwood but he’s not a top ranked wrestler in the nation at heavy like Levy is. As far as the others, I don’t think it would be all that close a dual, I think Cleveland wins it pretty easily!

12 hours ago, FrecoFanatic said:

@ohreally15 what is your justification for some of these picks? Here are some facts to consider:

You have Lane pinning Cordero, but they wrestled this year and Cordero beat Lane by decision at the who’s number one event.

You have Connell beating Maughon, but they wrestled this year in the dual and Maughon beat Connell 14 - 2.

You have Gentle pinning Russell, but Russell is a returning state finalist who placed high at the Carnahan, Knockout, and Powerade tournaments this year. Gentle is good but did not even wrestle at a legit National Tournament this season.

The dual could end up being close (and any scenario is possible), but I don’t understand how these matches you picked go from being wins for Cleveland in actual matches this year to being decisive bonus wins for McCallie all of a sudden (especially the Maughon match since he beat that kid 14 - 2).

Yeah I don’t see most of those matchups happening at all. We will get a better idea this weekend of how Gentle and Russell would go since Gentle lost to the number 17th ranked heavy in the county Levy and Russell lost to Daniels of Colquitt County. They should face off in the finals of 7A 285. Carson lost 8-4 to Levy and Russel lost 4-1 to Daniels. Sucks that we don’t have a head to head for them. 

7 minutes ago, RMC said:

If anyone is interested the Georgia Sectional results are available on Track Wrestling.  Just search for GHSA in events.

Things I heard or learned from yesterday:

• GHSA is doing away with the 7A classification next year...guess they'll have 1A - 6A
• Only 6 qualifiers from each sectional go to state - 1 and 2 seeds get a bye at state (used to be 8 qualified)
• Buford and Camden County got all 14 to state
• Buford might be interested in Cleveland Duals or Father Ryan Tournament next year.  Evidently 2 of the December tournaments they go to are on same weekend next year.
• Last odd thing I heard from a parent........if a Georgia kids wrestles a Tennessee 8th grader they are DQ'd by GHSA for the remainder of the year.  The dad said they had to forfeit a weight class to McCallie this year.  I'm wondering if this is really true. 

 

It is true, they had to forfeit McCallie tournament final to Villers but wrestled an exhibition instead and Villers beat the Georgia pretty badly. 

2 hours ago, CarlSpackler88 said:

"Their kids"?? I didn't know a school could own the rights to a child. I thought parents got an option to say where they wanted their kids to go.

 

They don’t and plenty kids go to HC to train that never thought of wrestling for the high school. Cade Holloway trained there but went to Notre Dame because he lives in Lookout Valley so had to go private school, Uhorchuks trained at HC also and never planned to wrestle at Cleveland. We see Roller does the same. Most all strong wrestling clubs have guys that never would feed into the high school that they usually feed to!