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don't have a kid at pride, don't have a kid in wrestling anymore. I just find it funny how dumb Cleveland fans are, I mean you might be great wrestlers but you sure are a dumb lot and that is quite hilarious! But i posted before everything, you are to lazy to look at which is why the only thing you answer back is lazy replies like, I don't believe in what Allan Jones said LOL, so you might not be dumb, but you sure look stupid!

I'm not mad at all, again your reading comprehension sucks! But the fact is, Cleveland SUCKED for many years! They had great coaching and still sucked, they had a good kids wrestling club and still sucked! Not until they got the money from Allan were they able to build what they have, so no you don't care about 25 years ago and that is because you dont have the knowledge to care about it so you don't! But lets not pretend Cleveland just so happened to work hard and got all the right coaches and somehow after years of getting their head banged in by BOTH Soddy and Bradley that they magically just got all better! They got the proper resources which in the start was money, that brought in the coaches they wanted to bring in, it built a few years prior a MECCA to wrestling with the Jones center at 10 million! Just because you don't know and only see the right now doesnt mean it didnt happen! Again without Jones most likely Josh is back up in northeast TN coaching and started a club up there and not in Cleveland. Nothing to be mad about, but you can't see the forest through the tree's and you sure as heck don't have the knowledge of what they were before Allan Jones ponied up the money to build both HCWC and Cleveland since he gave money to the high school AND middle school to only be used for wrestling! But alas, since your kid goes there you just know everything, when you really havent a clue! I could care less that they got it all, I'm not mad because I have no horse in the race, heck my school wrestles Small division and did a great job this year with it! But in the end many people know exactly how it all started, you just dont care to know about it and you think thats bashing people! It's not, a truth is not a bash!

Since you are SO LAZY AND DUMB. Allan Jones Foundation - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica RIGHT THERE FOR YOU SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS EITHER! You can look at all of Allan Jones Foundation tax returns

not doing your work for you, you want to be lazy and not come back with facts that is up to you! But don't fight if you actually don't know anything!

that is exactly what they do not want to admit and its also a reason the club didn't go to 501C status until 2016, he was funding a lot of that club up until that point!

it's Allan, do you know anything? So Allan himself is going around lying about what he does do for the program, good lord I thought the other one was the dumb one of Cleveland fans, but oh boy

My argument since it seems you lack ANY reading comprehension at all IS IN ALL BOLD SINCE MAYBE IT WILL SINK INTO YOUR HEAD! MONEY STARTED HCWC AND BOSKEN STILL BEING THERE! IF JONES HAD NOT FORKED OUT HUGE MONEY TO BRING IN HEATH ESLINGER, MIKE HATCHER(WHICH IN TURN BROUGHT IN DAN GABLE TO THE JONES CENTER FOR A FUNDRAISER) AND JOSH BOSKEN. WITHOUT THAT MONEY AT FIRST, YOU CANNOT SAY JOSH STAYS IN CLEVELAND AND CLEVELAND TURNS INTO WHAT THEY ARE NOW! SINCE YOU DONT SEEM TO KNOW HISTORY AT ALL! CLEVELAND WENT FROM 1994-2013 WITHOUT WINNING A STATE TITLE. THEY ALSO WENT FROM 1995-2008 WITHOUT EVEN MAKE STATE DUALS! AND THE FIRST YEAR THEY DID MAKE IT THEY GOT BEAT BY OOLTEWAH, A TEAM THAT LITERALLY HAS FALLEN OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH IN WRESTLING!

It's been bragged on by Allan Jones every single time he gives money to HCWC that they are the highest funded wrestling club in the country, NOT just TN but the country! I think he would have an idea about that. I mean Allan Jones Foundation Form 990 shows in 2021 he gave 20,412 to HCWC and 1000 to Cleveland Wrestling center for it to operate! He gave 9.555 to Bradley Pride, I don't see any money to the Bradley building for any upkeep.

ummm, you do know that they have a salary cap! That might be the dumbest effort on here that I have seen and that is saying a lot based upon some of the Cleveland takes we have seen on here! Also I don't hate Cleveland, have nothing against them! You might think that and I really don't care what you think! Also if you think it's slander you might want to go and look up what that word actually means, because you must not know it! Also I never said the kids were good because they were given money to be there, that's also a stupid assumption you have made and you know what assume means! However, to have a fanbase as dumb and uneducated about things or the lack of common sense is what is funny about it all! So yeah, once I make my first million I will make sure to give some to Soddy Daisy and the SDWA, but I'm not worth over 700 million a year and I like to spend my own money on my own kids that don't participate in this sport! Also you did prove that money and resources did make a huge difference, every program you showed that is top level for the most part has the money for a wrestling only room and some even have buildings, I've known guys for years that tried to get programs off the ground and failed, heck even one is up there at ole Cleveland and left a head coaching job at a small school to do so!

lazy, I've even posted on another thread the 501C tax information of HCWC, being a non-profit they are required to file those tax documents and they are available for everyone to be able to see, I'm no longer doing your research for you or telling you anything else, since it seems I know more about the club than you do! I pointed out that someone OR a foundation gives money directly to Community Foundation of Cleveland and Bradley county to the tune of 14-15k each year and that money is also DEDICATED to HCWC, they cannot by law give that money to anyone else since it is earmarked for HCWC, so it could be Allan Jones, It could be Jones Foundation or it could be someone none of us even know since it is put in anonymously and with that the foundation cannot give out who the guarantor is! But I would bet it isn't you or another parent of a wrestler(s) that has been through the program at an annual 14-15(since I am not wasting my time to give you the exact number since you won't listen anyways!)

but YET HCWC was funded by Allan Jones, again, do I need to link the article in which Josh himself stated so? So yeah, Hatcher, Danny Coleman and Phillips all helped out along the way, HOWEVER it took the step to HCWC when Josh Bosken asked Allan Jones for a substantial amount of money to get the program off the ground!

I do know that came from Jones, have said as much if you would like to read some responses I have posted! I also just said that Bradley's stuff does not come close to Cleveland's it's not even close! Just like when Allan turned away Ben Smith when he tried to go to Allan and show him how much money they had gotten that season from fundraising and was told he was lying and that he would not match the money they stated they had collected! So no, they haven't been taken care of even close to what Cleveland has!

lol, I mean I understand that, been in both Bradley and Cleveland's and Bradley wrestling room does not even compare and yes most those Colleges wished they had those kind of facilities

thats great, again another one that proves not only great coaches make a difference but having facilities to take advantage such as practicing whenever you choose helps also! Thanks, I see the building now behind the school

I mean it's like, hmmmmm would I rather help a kids club I have to volunteer my entire time with OR could I get paid to do so and end up being able to pick and choose which coaches I have at my wrestling club LOL They literally paid 27k plus to coaching, but yeah every kids club has that also!

for the love of god you don't have much reading comprehension. The fact that Jones started the program with HIS Money is the reason most likely that Josh was able to setup and do HCWC! He went hat in hand to Allan Jones, heck he has stated so himself and asked for the money to start the program, IF that money wasn't given and Jones told him to pound sand, HCWC might not have EVER been started! Josh had a dream and a 6 year plan! If the money wasn't given he might have had to go elsewhere to start HCWC and maybe that elsewhere has a dominant program and Cleveland would have been where they were in the late 90's and early 2000's as second fiddle to schools like Bradley and even Soddy Daisy! Instead Allan gave the money and started a program that no one else was building in the state! So this was before your son's time as a big time wrestler or even going to HCWC. None of us are saying that hard work hasn't helped build that program, but without Allan Jones that program might not have ever gotten off the ground and it seems everyone is to stupid to understand or see that! Even Mark Smith at the time wasn't giving the money he is now, HCWC was funded by Allan Jones to start and if not for him there might not be a HCWC at Cleveland, Josh might have had to go elsewhere since I don't think his dream would have just died, but as they say, to make a fortune, you most of the time have to start with one! They have built on what was paid for to start, now they can afford to pay good coaches to come in and help with all that! So you can defend all you want and think its going after Josh, BUT in an interview he himself stated he had the dream and went to Allan to make that come true! Since then the hard work has built them into the dominant program they are at now! Also been in Jones Center many many times, there isn't another place like it in the state and that even includes the wrestling room at Bradley!

again, lots of schools don't have rooms, we aren't talking about the cream of the crop, which the ones you listed would be part of and would also go to prove having a wrestling room DOES give a school an advantage. Because they can practice without jumping through hoops to get practice time OR scheduling a dual meet or even a tournament! Shows how well Summit is coached to be where they are and not have a practice room! I think Tullahoma who was Small school RU doesn't have a wrestling room to their selves! I don't think Franklin High who used to be really good in wrestling has a wrestling room either, although not 100% sure of that. But again, you proved my point that the small time(but big schools) that dont have a wrestling room tend to not be all that good in wrestling. Also if you count a little area behind the bleachers like Alcoa deals with I'm not really sure that counts as a wrestling room that is distinctly for wrestling only!

I have a few cars in my garage, the cobra is not my nicest, but it was a dream car and so i have it

good to be a snake, they are at least pretty smart, you though hmmmm

that is what I have seen with most schools, So I'm not sure where all Mr Roller has been with his son(which if I'm not mistaken he went to a private school), but Soddy Daisy has been lucky to have the round gym for its existence(although before 1983 when the new school opened, my dad had to share the basketball courts with the wrestling team which wasn't any good back in the day! We were lucky and I do think that helped Coach Henry build the program we had back in the 90's, we had that gym and we could use it at any time we chose to do so!

yep, I also have one sitting out in the garage right now which is where the name came from back in the early 2000's when i joined this site

same here! Which is why I'm pretty sure he was never in sports entertainment so his name would be a lie lol

Not sure how much time you have spent in public schools, but you would be sadly mistaken if you think most public schools have dedicated wrestling rooms for practices and such! I can name you about 8 just around me that have to share a gym with basketball through the entire season. So yes, most all private schools have a dedicated gym for wrestling, schools like Bradley, Cleveland and Soddy do also! But schools especially in small school division do not have anything remotely for wrestling itself, so I would LOVE to see the list of schools in this state that have a wrestling room dedicated to their team like the 3 I mentioned above? Also, Soddy wrestling arena is old as can be, built back in the 40's, Ulric and his team have fixed it up really nice and put some real money into it, but that building was old when my dad went to school there when it used to be the high school. It was great to be able to head to the round gym and have practices while other teams across the county had to wait for the basketball teams to finish up before being able to practice!

they do, but Allan Jones is the one that stepped up and paid him as a full time youth coach, if you graduated from Soddy like me, you need to go back and work on reading comprehension because you sadden me how badly YOUR's sucks! Yeah, let me know since you supposedly work with Soddy's wrestling club how much the program has in their budget? How much do you get paid? Also those tournaments don't MAKE profit of 30-40k, they have to many expenses and usually end up in the 15-20k range after those are paid out, same for a 7-10k tournament, I would be happy to show you how that works with actual revenue vs profits with tournaments, I do work a good amount with money and budgets! Cleveland is the standard for sure, they also have at the least 2 benefactors with one worth over 700 million and another that is worth in the 150 million range(Mark Smith and Smith Foundation), Soddy doesn't come close to have anyone with that net worth, I don't even know if we have any alumni that is worth 20 million. They got lucky enough to have someone like that much less 2 that are worth that. Heck, I'm just glad that they don't get anything from Forrest Preston since hes a billionaire and worth more than Allan is. rasslinking, you might want to get off the internet, also you have never rassled in your life, you wrestled, there is a difference

really is! I don't think anyone is saying they would suck if they didn't have the money they receive, but I really think there are some very "differently abled" Cleveland people if they think they would be anywhere as dominant as they are without the money they have received in BOTH the HCWC program as well as the High school which Allan DID pour money into also! Heck, without Allan pouring money to start the HCWC program they wouldn't even have that foundation, so they for sure have put the hard work in to build that club up which has been the foundation of their program, but without Allan Jones giving that money that program wouldn't have existed to begin with! They acting like Josh just magically came in one day with his own money and started the program, but Josh himself stated that he had a dream AND a 6 year plan and that Allan put the money up to get everything rolling, sadly people have no actual reading comprehension skills!