coachfoozeball

So what's the word at Ravenwood? Heard they are interviewing but not much chatter at all.

What's the word on this job?

I'm hearing Will Hester is the favorite to be Indy's next head coach

Wow already a favorite and there is not job? We have heard that is job is coming open, but we all thought that Clayton would be returning to Will Co.

I would rather play in metro. The halftime shows can't be beat! Not sure that I want to go 2 hours away to a game next year. Bummer.

Then play in Div II A with DA, BGA, DCA, FCS, FRA. Rent your bands and have a blast. At least you would be playing with schools that tell the truth and offer financial aide instead of like you guys do caring on the biggest Farce of all Time!

As I said before you didnt deserve the #1 seed as your district and schedule was a full of cupcakes....

TSSAA playoff seeding is a joke- anyone with a hint of football knowledge laughed when they saw DC as a # 1 seed ....

It was proven your # 1 seed was a joke on how MJ whipped you into submission ( opps and the 400 yds rushing they spanked you for )

So sugar coat it as much as you like, but myself and so so so many others were correct when we said your #1 seed is comical-

You had a chance to prove us all wrong but look at what you showed us last night ? You didnt even put up a game...

Oh not i am not disrespecting DC all i am saying is that you drank to much DC kool aid on how good your team was-

Tell ya what if you thought your baby Cougars were that good and deserved the # 1 seed good for you.. good for you...

ya know what maybe BHS will hang the pads up next week, but guess what? they get to practive all next week, and paly one more game then your team...

oh and they can say to you- nah nah nah nah nah nah told you that you were not really a #1 seed

I get on here and give the T$$AA a hard time about seeding and how they let teams in to the playoffs as much as anyone. I always say it is not about the teams that make it, it is about trying to make a schedule because everyone needs "wins" to get into the playoffs, so out of district cup cakes help you. But MR. NOTREDAME I would keep my mouth shut. I think I remember watching a game on Thursday night where your great team gave up nearly 400 yards to one back. Congratulations to Dickson County on a great year.

Will a proposal to separate all private schools come out of any of the Grand Division annual meetings next week?

Doesn't matter. This came up several years ago and the Board of Control voted against it! Just like 5 classes to 6. The schools wanted 5 the Board of Control voted for 6. They do what benefits their own schools not what benefits their true area

All CLASSES are not supposed to be represented. All areas are. TSSAA divides the state into athletic districs by county. District one being upper east TN counties, District two being the valley around Knoxville and the upper Cumberland region, etc. Each representitive on the board should represent the same number of schools. I have never done the math to see how close it is. One vote per athletic district is never going to make both large and small schools, not to mention privates, happy.

Well they made a vote that affected ALL classes by staying with 6 classes for football and One man even voted different from his 70-30% just to benefit his school and I guess the 30%. No reason to have a vote if you are not going to go with the MAJORITY of your area. If we are going to have 8 state champions for the 8 divisions of football then there should be a representative from EVERY division on a vote such as this. Explain how the majority of the state wanted 5 classes and in his area 70% wanted 5 classes but the principal at Sequatichie votes for 6??????

Are you that dense...there are more sports in the state than just football, and in AAA, AA, and A the breakdown is 3-4-3. They're not going to do members by playoff class of just one sport. I agree Division II could use a member but have any schools even nominated anyone lately or do they think they'll be outvoted anyway.

NO I am not dense! Then do not break us up into 6 classes unless ALL are represented. 3A and 5A are teams that would want this system and they make up 6 of the votes (2 of which I believe voted for 5 classes) OH the way the schools and our fearless leader wanted.

Also speaking of dense: Not sure how you come up with 3-4-3 ratio. That would be 10 sir instead of 9

Well let's see. We have an organization that let's the Board of Control do the voting for the largest money making tournament (that being the T$$AA Football State playoffs) and we have a HUGE problem. First off, they send surveys and then report that the coaches/schools, maybe overall in close margins but overwhelming in many areas, wish for the old 5 class system for football. Well this board then votes 5-4 to keep 6. Well let's take a look at how we call ourselves a 3 class state for athletics (D-I) and two for (D-II) but then we divide into 6 for the D-I. So, if we were going to make real decisions then I would assume that ALL classes would be represented in the vote. Well: According to who is listed today as the Board of Control members there are 0 -6A, 3-5A, 1-4A, 3-3A, 0-2A, 1-1A, 0 -DII . One area (area 7) was listed as vacant.

So we made a vote for the ENTIRE state but only had representation allowed to vote from 4 of the 8 divisions (50%). And on top of that six of them come from 5A or 3A schools. This is very interesting INDEED.

Well let's see. We have an organization that let's the Board of Control do the voting for the largest money making tournament (that being the T$$AA Football State playoffs) and we have a HUGE problem. First off, they send surveys and then report that the coaches/schools, maybe overall in close margins but overwhelming in many areas, wish for the old 5 class system for football. Well this board then votes 5-4 to keep 6. Well let's take a look at how we call ourselves a 3 class state for athletics (D-I) and two for (D-II) but then we divide into 6 for the D-I. So, if we were going to make real decisions then I would assume that ALL classes would be represented in the vote. Well: According to who is listed today as the Board of Control members there are 0 -6A, 3-5A, 1-4A, 3-3A, 0-2A, 1-1A, 0 -DII . One area (area 7) was listed as vacant.

So we made a vote for the ENTIRE state but only had representation allowed to vote from 4 of the 8 divisions (50%). And on top of that six of them come from 5A or 3A schools. This is very interesting INDEED.

Well let's see. We have an organization that let's the Board of Control do the voting for the largest money making tournament (that being the T$$AA Football State playoffs) and we have a HUGE problem. First off, they send surveys and then report that the coaches/schools, maybe overall in close margins but overwhelming in many areas, wish for the old 5 class system for football. Well this board then votes 5-4 to keep 6. Well let's take a look at how we call ourselves a 3 class state for athletics (D-I) and two for (D-II) but then we divide into 6 for the D-I. So, if we were going to make real decisions then I would assume that ALL classes would be represented in the vote. Well: According to who is listed today as the Board of Control members there are 0 -6A, 3-5A, 1-4A, 3-3A, 0-2A, 1-1A, 0 -DII . One area (area 7) was listed as vacant.

So we made a vote for the ENTIRE state but only had representation allowed to vote from 4 of the 8 divisions (50%). And on top of that six of them come from 5A or 3A schools. This is very interesting INDEED.

So Indiana (25-8) should have been seeded ahead of Kentucky (32-2) in last years NCAA basketball tourney. They did beat the Wildcats....or maybe Vandy (24-10)....they beat them too.... Let me see who won between Vandy and Indiana......

Head to head only works in a closed system, like a district, where everything else is equal, everyone plays each other...

Don't even try to compare. What makes football great is the regular season and district games MATTER. Indiana could have lost all its conference games gone to the conference tournament and win the tournament and go to the dance. All people that do not like the system are saying is that what was wrong with the old system (except now we have MORE playoff games and MORE winners for the T$$AA to make money off of). Also, when reading posts about Cleveland situation I notice where 70% of coaches in that area favored the old system but the Board of Control member voted for what was best for Sequatchie Co. Now that was a quote from the coach of Cleveland. 70% for 5 classes and the guy votes for 6. What a crock of ****. The T$$AA said in the tennessean right before the 5-4 vote that almost 2/3 of the coaches and schools wanted the old system. That is why people complain. There is no true voice of the coaches.

Three classes spreads out the size of the teams too much in a lot of teams' view. They do compete in the regular season but if a team manages to make the playoffs despite the size obstacle, they're paired with teams more their size. I agree, four would be ideal if the number of playoff teams making it could be worked out.

This makes no sense. So it is ok to be paired and play with teams during regular season and then it is an obstacle in the playoffs? What? Bottom line is money and the "we all have to have a chance" attitude. T$$AA wants more teams in playoffs for that 50%. Then they let the Board vote and some members voted opposite from the overall wants of their area just to benefit their own school. cough, cough Tullahoma....Thinks that make you say hmmmmmm..

Hey fooze is it fair to HC or DC to play in a district that is all the way in nashville or franklin or in the boro no thats 100 miles one way more of our tax dollars taking a school bus that far you guys live within driving distanes from all your games. We would have 200 miles a nite and how many fans want to do that on friday nite. Its all about support. Maybe you all can get Maryville to play you.

Let's have one scheduling period (two years) with NO districts. Just classes, and see if those Clarksville schools will schedule you just because you are closer than 100 miles. I bet not. You would be looking for games just like us. That is the whole arguement about all of this. If we all knew top 4 in district/region go to playoffs then everyone would not care to schedule ANYONE for non-district games. But with the number one criteria being overall wins everyone will not schedule and then when the T$$AA makes some districts with 8,9,10 teams and others with 5 or 6 it is a scheduling nightmare for the smaller districts.

probably, i didn't say who wins this game, just comparing styles. Riverdale is so beat up right now, can't give a prediction.

Even beat up Riverdale wins this one. Our district will all win and play each other each round until semis vs Maryville

No. I'm saying if you and another team in ur district end up with the same overall and district record and you beat them head to head and finish higher then them in the district because of your head to head win but neither finishes 1st or 2nd.

 

I don't see how this happens but the team that got beat is seeded higher.

 

Ill use for example Hillsboro and centennial. Both have same overall record 6-4 and district record 2-3.. Hillsboro beat centennial head to head Yet centennial is a 3 seed and Hillsboro is a 5 because of a better resume. My argument is if you can use head to head then that should be used.. Not numbers that can be manipulated.

 

I think Cleveland and walker valley had the same overall record and played head to head as well and Cleveland won. But walker is in and Cleveland is out.

First off, I agree with you that Head to Head should matter. But I looked at the numbers and you guys were the 8th highest 6 win team and Centennial was the highest rated 6 win team, so if we say Hillsboro is ahead of Centennial then you are now ahead of the six other 6 win teams. I am with you the whole system is bad and rewards people playing bad teams out of district. To me the Cleveland Walker Valley deal is way worse than yours. I mean Cleveland is not in Wallker Valley is and they have the same record and Cleveland beat them. Just a totally messed up system. Go back to the old way and atleast we all know who is in and who is out and then it does not matter about non-district games except for tie-breakers.

based on your description, there is nothing that seems unfair about it the current system Each team knows the teams in their district they must defeat prior to qualifying automatically for the postseason. It is absolutely impossible to construct each district the same from the number of teams, number of teams in the same postseason class, or the same talent level. Therefore, each team has the same opportunity knowing ahead of time the challenges that lie before them. Coaches can also choose how they schedule their non-district games to better allow them an opportunity of qualifying for the postseason. Now, is the system perfect? I answer that with a definate no. Does the system allow more student athletes and schools to experience the postseason...to this I answer absolutely! Is the system fair based on the issues you described?...to that I would also answer yes!

Easy for you to say when you only have to find 2 non-district games. Try finding 5 and 6 games when everyone is "choosing how they schedule their non-district games to better allow them an opportunity of qualifying for the postseason."

For clarification purposes only (not to be hostilely debated) is anyone suggesting that Olive Branch was "the only" out of state team the Bulldogs could schedule that particular week? And, was the Smyrna coaching staff aware of Coach Samsel's success prior to scheduling? There was no Metro-Memphis team the school could pay to come to Smyrna 2 years in a row? Again...just asking the question for clarification purposes only!

NO we tried to get a schedule and were stuck with what we got. Had to get Olive Branch. We tried to get many teams, but all said no they needed wins. Now we need wins. The question was asked about DC and many HC fans got on here and quoted so I included you guys too, but I really am referring to how it is not right for DC to be a number one seed in 6A when they have beaten one 6A team. They will win this Friday and you all will say see they deserved it, but what if they had to go through a real schedule then make the playoffs? Might be different. It is easy to sit and say "we will play whoever, whenever, when the T$$AA gives you 8 games from the start and 6 to 7 of those are gimmees. All I am saying is make all the districts more even in numbers and then lets see how easy or hard it is to schedule and see what happens. Right now (and we went 1-9) Coach is having a hard time filling our schedule. Try finding 4 or 5 games instead of 2. That is my complaint. It is not against HC or DC it is against the system and I used your district champ as an example.

The T$$AA is paying the expenses! That makes me laugh more than the mistake of this silly system being voted in for 4 more years!

Think about it. T$$AA is taking 50% from all the playoff games across the state this Friday night so we as the schools are paying these expenses of their stupid mistake.

I've never been a believer in the strength of schedule argument. If it was truly THAT big of a deal, Henry County and Powell wouldn't have made it to the championship game last year. That's all either team heard last season was how their "weak" schedules would come back to bite them. Well, they both made it to Cookeville with unblemished records. There is a difference between a schedule making you a better team, and a schedule making you look better than you actually are. A lot of people confuse the two, and the latter is MUCH more common. If Dickson County fails to make a deep playoff run, I don't believe their strength of schedule will be the reason why. They have undoubtedly gotten their program back to a solid level, which I'm happy to say, but they're still one of the smallest schools in 6A in terms of enrollment, and when you factor in that they're going to have to beat a Brentwood, Mt. Juliet, Wilson Central, Independence, or Arlington, etc. I would venture to say that making it past the 2nd round would be an accomplishment. There are a lot of really good teams in 6A.

 

I wish them well, and I do sincerely hope they can make a deep playoff run.

MSU Race and QB Club Prez, you too need to go eat some more fish that you guys are trying to sell. Dickson Co and Henry County are products of this stupid T$$AA system. Congrats to HC winning the state last year and they were a good team as I watched them in the state champ game, but it must be fun to not have to schedule ANYONE and then get into playoffs as a Six A number one seed. This is a problem that is not fair at all. Fish Fry Prez it has nothing to do with 5A/6A it has all to do with the way T$$AA has set these districts. If we are going to play in these districts this way then just play 3 state championships and top four go to playoffs from each district. But NO the T$$AA wants all this $$$$$$ and schools like you guys encourage them to keep this system. Now first off Mr. Fish Fry Prez you will get on here and talk badly about me, so I will tell you what I am. I am a district 7AAA follower and my Bulldogs are bad this year. Mr. Fish Fry Prez What do you think DC or HC record might be if they had to play private schools, Olive Branch, Arlington, Brentwood, Independence, and others in Middle and East TN because of the number one way to get into the playoffs is by over all victories after one/two in the district and NO ONE will schedule with each other. So if Siegel finishes one and Riverdale two and Brentwood one and Independence two you can see where the rest of us fight for wins when we are all playing each other for non-district games. How is this a fair system? Once again, my bulldogs are bad but I bet we would beat a Rossview team badly that you mentioned earlier making the playoffs. Well that team does not have to schedule anybody since the district is so bad they get the wins that way. On another note, I would bet 6-4 Oakland would destroy 9-1 Dickson yet Dickson will be a number two seed and get a home playoff game while Oakland will travel. The system is not good. This is why we give teams like Dickson County a hard time. MSU racer you are correct a schedule does not make you better for the season, but a schedule does allow you to win with ease, work on stuff and get better, get people healthy, etc. Not when you play Olive Branch instead of Kenwood.

Happy Hunting And Good Riddance!..

Let's see FCS moves to Div II and says that "work studies" does not allow the athletes to be eligible. Question then, Why is CPA, Goodpasture, Lipscomb allowed to find money through the churches and that make the athletes eligible???? No one will answer correctly, because they hide behind the fancy church doors and sit in the church and pretend that they are helping these families as they join the church and that is how they are discounted into the school. Oh wait the families do not even have to go to the church, just become a member.....hmmm interesting for sure???

Why won't CPA join division II like FCS? hmmm....

As a big FCS fan, looks like they are coming to Division II.

Let's see FCS moves to Div II and says that "work studies" does not allow the athletes to be eligible. Question then, Why is CPA, Goodpasture, Lipscomb allowed to find money through the churches and that make the athletes eligible???? No one will answer correctly, because they hide behind the fancy church doors and sit in the church and pretend that they are helping these families as they join the church and that is how they are discounted into the school. Oh wait the families do not even have to go to the church, just become a member.....hmmm interesting for sure???

Why won't CPA join division II like FCS? hmmm....

Let's see FCS moves to Div II and says that "work studies" does not allow the athletes to be eligible. Question then, Why is CPA, Goodpasture, Lipscomb allowed to find money through the churches and that make the athletes eligible???? No one will answer correctly, because they hide behind the fancy church doors and sit in the church and pretend that they are helping these families as they join the church and that is how they are discounted into the school. Oh wait the families do not even have to go to the church, just become a member.....hmmm interesting for sure???

Why won't CPA join division II like FCS? hmmm....

WitchDoctor say Miracle Man should enjoy at least two more wins in final season at Indy.

 

"Bones never lie"

Final season? I have not read anywhere that Dyson has said he is leaving after this year? Did I miss something?

Don't know that three years is necessary. In his first year, Rector took a program that was 3-17 the previous two years to the second round of the playoffs.

And then he went 4-6, 5-5 before he bolted and left Ravenwood. So, does this make him a bad coach since he started with wins and then did not meet expectations?? I think Rector does a good job, but as a coach that was coaching Smyrna and we played those Ravenwood teams, they were doing the same thing during those 3-17 years where Coach Daniels was the coach and then next when Rector became official head coach. Players, Players, Players