I'm going with all my Fayetteville gear to support..................Huntingdon!  

Beat Huntland!

42 minutes ago, FridayMainEvent said:

Don't be naïve.   Whoever gets that job will definitely try and make their program more attractive to get the better athletes that are choosing Fayetteville City School over LC.   Any Coach that didn't covet the best available athletes is doomed to fail before they start.   Not trying to be mean, just being honest.

I agree 100%.  The way it seems here is LC can't be successful without those kids.  That is what I do not agree with.  It is an excuse to me.  If you only get 4 incoming freshman from each of the 5 middle schools each year, that's 20 kids.  In a few years that's 60-80 kids on the roster.  The key is keeping them and pulling more out of the halls.  The kids are there but you can't year in and year out keep blaming the city system for low numbers and bad seasons.  I really do hope they can get someone that can turn it all around but for the near future pulling city kids over doesn't need to figure into the formula.  That will allow whoever it is to continue using the "all the skill kids are at city" excuse.  Work the middle schools and get them out of the halls. 

14 hours ago, Tata said:

What about OC the head coach at Giles. He's a Lincoln guy that is a good recruiter and would get those FV to play at LC. Not trying to be disrespectful

I wish LC the best but who their coach is will not pull City kids over.  I hope whoever does get it doesn't plan on pulling kids over to win.  If winning hinges on that then who the coach is doesn't matter.  The whole idea of hurting one program to benefit the other is a big problem down here.  You just mentioned the same mentality in your post with "get those FV to play at LC."  It starts with the middle schools.  There are 5 that feed LC.  It will take some years but you have got to get those 20 or more incoming freshman from those schools to participate and success will follow.  I know what is down here and I feel like there is no reason we can't be like an Alcoa and Maryville with City and LC.  Something like that takes time and everyone here wants results now.  I want both to be successful.

3 minutes ago, Southtowner said:

You gotta find something positive in all this.  I know right now that will be most difficult.  You could have a championship caliber team with a transfer in the future and had Fayetteville not learned from this it would be even more disheartening. 

I started with these young men when they were 5 and 6 years old.  Watching them commit to this sport as they have gotten older.  This is what those seniors have worked toward all this time.  We will be on the map for the next several years I am sure but a terrible way to end the season and their high school career. You will never convince me that this was not pushed by the locals around here.  Karma will ride their back for a long time.  Interpretation of a rule written used the way they see fit.  Good luck to everyone who got in and keep our kids in your thoughts, remember they had no influence or control in any of this except playing the game on the field.

Very disappointed right now.  All I can say.

Gonna break my refresh button!

Sorry guys..heard a few things but im not going down that "i heard" road again.  Im hoping things go our way.  btw we won and pulled starters early again...GO TIGERS!

The TSSAA lawyer filed a motion and set it today. They had to go to Marshall County to argue because that was Judge’s scheduled court for today.

something may be decided today

1 minute ago, rlh said:

lmbo

yeah I know...didn't even like typing it!

13 minutes ago, Volnation66 said:

How does it make the City coachimg staff feel that the Huntland OC is the whistleblower? Cville folks are hearing he is headed to coach at LC. We have wages placed on how many kids he poaches from City next year.......

I have heard that officials told Huntland players on the field about the ruling coming down and that was before the cornersville game...I am pretty sure LC will pull none of the City kids over no matter how this turns out.  Most certainly if he was involved.  I would also say he would lose kids. 

2 minutes ago, Crock1615 said:

The cornersville game was the last region game and the last game that was forfeited. This is the game that the official allegedly made the comment.  So even if that game was not forfeited then fayetteville's region record would have been 1-4.   they would have still not qualified for the playoffs. 

I guess the more definitive question is when was the last investigation opened, decision made, and Fayetteville notified?  If it was weeks earlier, were they not supposed to notify that they were under investigation again?  Was if concluded weeks earlier and "sat on" until region play was complete?  IF so then why?  I am pulling for my Tigers that is not as simple as your previous post.  This just sucks all the way around.

24 minutes ago, Crock1615 said:

this is all supposition, but it could have gone something like this:

Fayetteville enters transfer information into the portal that the student had a bona-fide change of address into their territory.----correct  

the portal declared him eligible.---correct

Someone reports him for not living in the fayetteville territory.----correct

school is contacted and says his address is in our territory believing that their territory includes all of lincoln county.  The tssaa just takes their word that this is their territory. declares student eligible.----correct

someone else (or the same person again) reports to the tssaa that this address is NOT in fayetteville territory per tssaa definition of territory.----this territory term has me confused  geographical boundry is all of Lincoln County per Fayetteville city school systems

new investigation finds that the address is in fact NOT in the fayetteville territory.  Student is declared ineligible. ---this part I believe needs some more information added...investigation re-opened by someone as I understand from what I have seen here without the authority to do so..only the Director can open, close, and delivery and pass down penalties.  Oct.5th officials are aware of investigation and penalty to be issued and spoke of it publicly.  2 weeks or so pass before penalty is issued. 

 

 

again, this is all supposition, but i can see how it could have played out this way. 

 

Just added my 2 cents.  Sounds to me like the determination of the investigation was settled before October 5th or officials would not have been privy to that information, but why do they know at that time and more games are played before Fayetteville is notified.  I would have to look at the schedule and see if Fayetteville were told when those officials were, would there be enough region games from Oct 5th on to still get into playoffs.  Your supposition above is black and white, which I wish this whole thing was but I am learning fast that TSSAA is not as clean as your post with investigations and who they choose to enforce which rules.

10 minutes ago, Southtowner said:

Heard it where?  

Sorry lol no loose lips here!  Can't burn my info getter.  I dont believe everything i hear but the ref thing seems to me is true.  Thats a big deal to me.  

1 hour ago, lakecounty1968 said:

It could be that. That's just an awful big improvement. Could it happen sure. 

An entirely new coaching staff and pulling kids out of the halls.  Most of these kids have been playing together since 3rd grade and some before that.   Last year only had two seniors.

1 hour ago, CABacker said:

If a game official made this comment any time before Fayetteville was notified then there are a number of people who have a number of questions to answer. 

Not only that , if that is the case it is very hard to suggest that this is not a witch hunt by someone. 

It definately happened..i heard it again tonight they also told players for huntland.  Wonder if those refs could be called into court?

5 minutes ago, Southtowner said:

I was at the game.  I find it troubling that a game official would have done this.

That was one of my questions I emailed to the Association on Oct 7 asking if anyone at the TSSAA had received any complaint on Fayetteville high school in regards to using an ineligible player?  And was it common practice for any game official to have such knowledge of said complaint and therefore discuss the issue at any football game especially this past Friday's game between Cornersville @ Fayetteville?

Did you get an answer?

I still would like to know if tssaa only investigates complaints from member schools or individuals or both.  If only schools then you would think only possibly valid complaints are investigated.  If individuals complaints are fielded then they would be swamped.  I would like to know how the complaint was received, via member school or individual.  

3 minutes ago, Crock1615 said:

was there a complaint and and investigation prior to the sept. 6 letter or was that letter a result of the online transfer student eligibility form that the school is required to submit for all transfers?

I would say after a complaint.  It is dated the 6th of September which is a game or two into the season.  Seems like they would have gotten an answer on his eligibility form prior to September.  Wouldn't they?

Get back to the timeline of all of this...September 6th they receive a letter stating the kid is able to play written by the DIRECTOR who is the only person who can make that call from I have read here.  Weeks and several games go by during which time another complaint about the same kid has been made while that Director is on a medical leave.  I do not believe that Fayetteville was notified about the re-opening of the investigation which, by what I have read here, can only be done by the Director.  During this same period, an official told an opposing team basically don't worry about losing because they are going to pull their wins at a later date.  I read that here the day after the game.  How would an official know that?  How long after the second complaint before the ruling came down to pull their wins?  Did the loose lip official speak on it between the complaint and the reversal of the directors decision that he could play?  If so, then I would say it was planned to wait until the end of the season to pull their games.  It would also make me unsure if I was going to get a fair shake at the appeal.  Especially if the director is not going to be involved since he is still on leave I suppose.  Lots of rumors floating around down here about who got this started.  My question is who can make a complaint to the tssaa?  Does it have to come from a member school or can anyone?  I would assume only member schools.  If anyone could they would constantly be investigating something.  I just wonder if the second go around was from a member school or an individual and they re-opened because who that individual pulls strings.  Surely the guy that is not the director that re-opened this didn't do so off of an individuals complaint.  None of this sits right with me!

15 minutes ago, PullinGuard said:

Fayetteville is in the right. 

This all hinges on the definition of ‘territory’. Here is the TSSAA definition. 

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Territory – For a public school, the “territory” of the school is the geographic boundaries and bus routes of the area served by that school as established by the local board of education. For a system-wide public school or a home school student participating at a public school, the “territory” of the school is the geographic boundaries of the school system. For a non-public school or a home school student participating at a non-public school, the “territory” of the school is the area within a twenty (20) mile radius from the school. 

***

Now, the ‘bus route’ specification is quite clearly meant to apply to ‘zoned’ school districts, with multiple high schools in specific and enforced  zones within a system. The territory for a zoned HS among multiple High schools in the system is within the bus routes of the particular zone and also within the geographic boundaries of the system that fall within that zone.

The territory for a ‘system-wide’ HS is only the geographic boundaries - bus routes do not apply (they are intended to define the zones for multi-school systems). 

Fayetteville is clearly a system-wide school, since there is only one HS in the system. By the TSSAA’s rules, Fayetteville’s territory is defined exclusively by the geographic boundaries (all of Lincoln County acc’d to the school board, which the TSSAA recognizes has full authority in this matter).

I don’t know if this was an attempt by the TSSAA to subvert the rules or simply an inability to correctly understand and apply them, but it’s clear that the previous ruling is incongruent with the published TSSAA rules and definitions. 

 

I heard the mic hit the floor!  That is a great post to read.....GO TIGERS!!!

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/high-school/2019/10/29/tennessee-high-school-football-tssaa-fayetteville-granted-injunction/2497083001/

6 minutes ago, FridayMainEvent said:

So what does all that mean for the immediate playoff picture.   I assume Fayetteville is still out of post season play, correct?   If so, I court ruling may help future cases, but does nothing for the problem at hand.

Tuesday, October 29, 2019

2 minutes ago, CaptainJackRackam said:

Was it said somewhere that he transferred from Alabama or am I remembering wrong?

Correct