if,if,if, if Karns had a coaching staff and if the players, that is how it has been at Karns it was that way when i was there and it continuesto be that way, big tuna, why don't you jammin01 and topraymore put your efforts to getting the admin to find a coaching staffthat is worth having as i said i played there under these guys and they are terrible!!! thats why we cant win games cause we have good players that have sh_ _ _ coaching. my boys could play without the coaching staff and have a better chance of winning, fact