hawksdad

Seems like the drama never ends so thought I would add 2cents worth, my nephew will play at Karns this year if he doesn't quit, according to his dad he says that the coaching staff lies about everything, one day its this way the next its something different. He also says that they had a player that got in a coaches face even touched the coach was kicked off and then allowed back on the team, while other guys miss NON-MANDATORY work outs and are kicked off the team, don't have a clue who any of you guys are but, I can tell from someone that has close ties to whats going on ove there that I for one hope the kids get a better situation soon. Be positive and support the kids because they are the ones in the spot light for the most part coaches ride the shirt tails of kids success, not saying the kids could do it without the coaches its just it takes good from both sides. Us here in the valley that did not have to make the move are sure glad we did and we will see this season if we can get the win like we did in basball...

Coach Gray was very respected by most all the boys on the team he coached at Karns my son for one said many many times that Coach Gray was by far the most respectful and positive coach on th estaff his freshman year. We still have allot of very good freinds at Karns and from most all of them their attitude is allot like is being said on this forum, get rid of this staff clean house even the A.D. you see we are now at HVA and for all you that want to post about the changes I can tell you without a doubt my son would still be there with his friends and I won't speak for all the guys that left there but, I do know that two others would have stayed as well if changes were made. Won't commit on the varsity my sons freshman year because most of our time was spent in freshman ball other than the few times that he and others dressed. It was just not a good year for us and many others on that squad the boys were treated like they played at another school, HC spent zero time with them we never knew who was coaching them from day to day, when my son was asked to dress on a friday night he said the HC was throwing hammers in the locker room and ranting about how bad the team was and telling the boys they didn't deserve to be on the field ranting about how them the players were going to get him fired. You see all this going back in fourth isn't good for the community but, the community don't play for this coach they go watch and support the young men that are on the field seeing only the positive side of the coaches shaking hands smiling about and generally being positive, what you don't see is what the boys see and here from the coaches during the week and during the game. I would not allow my son to dress anymore after his second time on friday night due to the fact that he and the others spoke of very bad commints towards the players and even coaches yelling at each other so loud in the coaches office you could here them cursing at one another, even came home one day after practice and said two of the coaches almost got in a fight in the coaches office, so the bottom line is this I for one as a past supporter of the Karns program would love to see some changes chances are it won't happen because the coaches will say the kids are lying or they streched the story because they didn't play or the coach made them run or the kid just wants attention what ever the reasons instead of worring about Coach Gray and what this forum says bad about him maybe you should take a look at what is said about your coaches. Seems to be about 3 to 1 negative post about the Karns football program and that a shame considering it reflects on the kids as much as the coaches. Goodluck with your attemps in change, maybe you will see some good out of your attemps.

We support the cause, those of us that are in the valley from Karns support this 100% we would still be at Karns if changes would have been made. Although I do like are chances long term if it was to stay the same.

As one of the transfers from karns to HVA and yes he could have stayed and would have if they would have a different coaching staff. My son's freshman year was the worst experince that he has had in sports very badly coached and badlly treated. It is a very bad thing when you have this type of situation that we had to deal with the new school caused allot of problems for everyone involved but, that doesn't mean that your football coach has to stir the pot by telling the kids everyday how Knox counthy screwed them or the fact that some kids where leaving there so we need to dislike them(much stronger words was used), these are the type of things my son and others that had boys leaving Karns had to deal with day after day. Reading through this post seems to sum up the Karns tradition and I for one wish nothing but good things for the kids at Karns. To have good things though you need to create a positive atmosphere for the kids not one full of hate and disregard for kids that left your program for whatever the reason may be. Best of luck to the remaining kids that stayed from my son's team I hope they get what they need to have a great time during their high school football careers.