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On 2/20/2023 at 7:08 PM, westtnsportsfan said:

I’m not knocking anybody but you, you can’t say you were the best west TN team ever and not expect anybody to argue. They were super good and had players go D1 yes but they also won 1 gold ball! That’s you disrespecting other teams saying that they are the best ever! They were “the best team in Tennessee that year” the year before and didn’t win it correct? 

I'll definitely take my 2005-2006 North Side girls over any of those Greenfield teams that Tess and Chloe were on. It's not a shot at Greenfield either. Not to mention the 04-05 North Side girls with Sha Brooks on it, and even the Dyersburg girls in that same year.

On 2/28/2023 at 11:01 AM, Summit22 said:

I believe so. This is what I was told. District tournaments still work the same. Region tournaments are now double elimination with the 4 teams that make the tournament, and sectionals is now a 3 game series. Games 1 and 2 in the sectional is a double header at the higher seeds home field and if those games are split then game 3 is at the lower seeds field the next day. 

That last part is new. I knew the three game series is true, I know the double elimination is true. Back to the 3 game series, I do think all 3 games are at the higher seeds field, but I do think the "road" team will be the "home" team in one of those games. I don't think they're literally going to drive to that place to play that game.

6 hours ago, BelmontRebel said:

Point of Emphasis this year concerning eye black:  There are existing sportsmanship rules available to mitigate any use of eye black (in any version) in an inappropriate or unfavorable way.  So for the most part keep it straight across under the eye and not smeared down the cheek.  

You're delusional if you think that's going to get enforced by the umpires. 

I went back and watched the first half between Trinity Christian and Gibson County girls that happened in early December to see if there would be any shot clock violations if the players to play with the current NCAA rules (:30 seconds in full length, :20 seconds if there would be a foul (inside :20 second mark), kick ball, or an offensive rebound). In that first half, there would be 1 shot clock violation (Gibson County held the ball for nearly 1 minute late in the second quarter). Other than that one possession, there were lots of shots being released with 5-10 seconds to spare left on the imaginary shot clock (thank you for TCA for broadcasting the game that showed the scoreboard and the game clock).

The pace was great, lots of field goal attempts, and that resulted in 74 points combined in the first half between the two teams. Yes, it does help when there are good players playing for both teams. Point of what I'm trying to say, I don't think adding a shot clock would effect a lot of teams in terms of pace. If it were to effect some teams, then they need to make an adjustment to increase their pace of play. Teams have 10 seconds to get it across half court, so I do understand if TSSAA were to follow current NCAA rules and put :20 seconds on an offensive rebound.

I may go travel an hour plus to watch a region championship between Westview and Gibson County, and I may take a sick day off work and travel 2 and a half hours to watch 4-5 games in Murfreesboro to see the state tournament. As a fan, I do not want to see a team stall. Period. I simply don't care for any strategic reasons.

TSSAA let school officials/personnel handle the play clock for the regular season during the football season. I don't really see an issue if they let school officials/personnel handle it during the regular season in basketball. If the game officials are noticing a trend that a school personnel is favoring their team with the shot clock, then issue a warning. If it were to happen again, then issue a one shot technical foul for the other team. A small penalty against the home team that may be cheating in a way regarding the shot clock. 

Regarding to the price for the installation of a shot clock and getting someone to run is bogus. If a high school just installed a turf field or LED lights for their football stadium and a new indoor practice facility, then trust me, they can afford a shot clock. Add $0.50 cents to the popcorn and coke, and that'll offset the "game fee" for someone to run the shot clock. It's not that hard to think about.

23-19 was the final score between Munford/Obion Central? What happened...

5 hours ago, ItsAlwaysSunnyInAtwood said:

Butler did a good job at TCA. While they are a private school they don't have the resources even like a school down the road. Butler got about everything you can outta the kids he coached. What more can you ask for? That being said without looking at the past schedules, most of his TCA success came in D-1. I'll be rooting for him at ECS. I'm still truly fascinated as to whether Thompkins stays at TCA or leaves. The kid's just special 

They struggled the past two years, and they'll likely struggle again this upcoming season.  Thompkins is a good player, but all teams are going to have to do is load the box and make TCA throw the ball downfield effectively. Can they do that with a new QB? Who knows. 

I watched TCA's film in one of their games last year, and they made an obvious adjustment between first and second quarters, which I liked. The offensive line is something they need to work on. They couldn't run the ball between the tackles and then they used a lot of stretch/outside runs in the second quarter of that game. I would like for them to get into more 21 personnel and not 11 personnel, and get more pro stylish. They used an H back to help block, but they could very well used a two running backs and go counter off the edge, and used the TE/RB as a lead blocker(s). When you see TCA's offense, you're looking at a team that appears to be throwing the ball 30 times a game, and not run the ball 30 times. However, the offensive line is something they need to address. I do think Butler was a good coach for them and did get a lot out of what he had.

2 hours ago, ReitzFan said:

 I am thoroughly convinced that the FACS girls team did that last night in Memphis. After being trounced by TCA on Thursday, they were in the consolation game v Fayette Academy.  The winner would have to travel to the U of Webb to host a Tuesday game and the reward for winning that game will be going back on Friday to face U of Webb. The best player for FACS played the entire game against TCA. She was nowhere to be found for the Saturday game against FA as she was not dressed out, or even on the bench for FACS. Needless to say FACS lost the consolation game handily.  There may be a perfectly acceptable reason for the players absence. Nothing was ever said by anyone from FACS about the players condition. You can also see and understand why some would question what happened and the result that did happen. I have seen things like this happen in several different sports over the course of my almost 50 years of either playing, following, or covering high school sports. I guess we will never know the actual reason for the players absence

They pulled a page out of the NBA and she missed due to "left ear and pinky finger soreness"

Officiating will get better whenever the politics side is out of the industry, which will never happen. Stop rewarding officials for "marquee games" or state tournaments when all they did was officiate for a long time, doesn't mean they're good. Much rather have a young and upcoming official call games that cares about the game than someone that's old is there to collect a check. But the old person is the one that gets rewarded because he/she is "experienced" (doesn't mean he/she is actually good) while the young one gets screwed.

1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts22 said:

It 100% depends on the coaches morality. I’ve seen it happen blatantly and sometimes in a less obvious way. Ex: coaches just sitting there doing no coaching or encouragement and getting technicals or subbing at inopportune times. In certain districts and regions it can and will benefit certain teams if you know you can’t beat a certain team in a win or go home situation they just run to the other bracket. I’ve seen HOF coaches do it and I’ve seen amateur coaches do it too. I just couldn’t live with myself if I was telling kids not to give 100%, it tells me they don’t have 100% faith in their players. 

Around 10 years ago somebody did that near the Murfreesboro area and I think they ended up getting kicked out of the postseason for it. As a fan, I wouldn't want to pay my money to watch a team intentionally stall out at game (some team in Oklahoma did that a few weeks ago). I get the whole "strategy" and what not, but it's also a disgrace to the game. Main reason why I'm a fan of installing the shot clock, which really shouldn't effect a lot of teams if they play with good pace.

I just wish there's a way to eliminate "unnecessary travel" when it comes to Region games. As Reitz mentioned about, USJ and TCA played in Memphis tonight at Harding Academy. I just wish there's a way Harding Academy, JCS (or another school in Jackson), and the TSSAA can find a way to reach an agreement to move the game to another location that's closer to the two schools that are playing. While doing that, give Harding Academy both 60% of the gate and 60% of the concession stand sales so they aren't treated wrong or anything.  The school that host the game receives the rest of the money. I just thought of this idea recently, but I think it's a win/win to eliminate long and unnecessary travel. Obviously, there would have to be a few agreements and all.

Just now, pioneer42 said:

Yes. They haven’t beat a ranked team all year. I wished Chloe was at TN. Can’t believe they let her get out of here. 

Because hiring Kellie Harper was a mistake to begin with, but no one in Knoxville is going to admit it. Tennessee needs to move on from the Pat Summitt tree and start fresh (other than Kara Lawson). Tennessee does not look athletic, they don't play with this edge that South Carolina (and you can say Indiana) plays with, and they don't look like they're in shape. There's no life around that program anymore, and it's sad. And you're right, Chloe has what Tennessee is missing.

I hate that Tennessee didn't offer Chloe, but Chloe is doing just fine in Indiana, and that's great! 

Kellie Harper didn't deserve the job, but she got it because she played high school in Tennessee and played at Tennessee. Politics is still running that university.

35 minutes ago, pioneer42 said:

 

What is bad about it is her strengths are TN’s weaknesses. Chloe is one of the highest IQ players you will see and a super PG. She don’t turn it over and TN can’t go a possession without a Turnover And Chloe showed out at the Westview Classic in front of her. She sat in Westview gym watching her against Loretto and she showed out. I root for them but they have issues. 

Tennessee I'm taking that's who you're referring to?

11 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Pat spoiled us over all those years. Hopefully, Harper can get it figured out on the hill. It's been a while since we've been a legitimate powerhouse, but some of her recruiting moves have me suspect as well. I hope the Lady Vols can return to prominence soon. 

The gut punch is Kim Mulkey taking that LSU job in year 2 I think and is now a top 5/10 team, while Tennessee is just struggling to win consistently.

2 minutes ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

Great article also about Chloe's defense and play in IndyStar, InsidetheHall, and FanNation. I still can't believe the Lady Vols did not even give her an offer. Now, we're all Lady Hoosier fans from NW Tennessee. 

I'm not surprised, I've been disappointed with Tennessee Lady Vols basketball for a while now. The "it's all going to work out in the end" is true for both Chloe and Tess. One is playing for a college in her home state wearing the Orange and White. The other is seemed to be playing a huge role on a team that has great Final Four potential, while it seems like she's having fun and the Indiana fans are embracing her.

3 hours ago, ManOfMillions said:

Come on dude. You know exactly what I meant. You are splitting hairs at this point. 

I get what you're saying, but I also think it depends on when you play "tough teams." If team A played a series of "tough teams" around Thanksgiving, and team B played a series of "tough teams" around the MLK Holiday, I would say that Team B can learn from it more because it's a recent battle.

No offense to teams that played "tough teams" around Thanksgiving, but that was over 2 1/2 months ago, so that "learning experience" may have worn off by now.

4 hours ago, YBsostupid said:

73 wins   66 losses

Mercy rule applied 24 of the 66 losses.  

Source:  CoactT "Schedules".

I'm glad to know you looked that up. Here's a cookie!

3 hours ago, ManOfMillions said:

Ahh.. Gotcha. This is the last year for the current cycle. Football is moving to region 6 as well. Makes since now. I hope we keep SS on the schedule. I am all about playing tough opponents. It only makes you better. 

I don't think the "playing touch opponents, it only makes you better" is working out for the North Side girls very well.

55 minutes ago, Greenfieldfan said:

https://www.facebook.com/100064812364028/posts/567455198758221/?vh=e

https://fb.watch/iLC5mZnI-h/?mibextid=l066kq

Chloe Moore McNeil is on fire for the #2 Indians Hoosiers.  Proud of you Chloe.  

Chloe did a great job guarding and disrupting Caitlin Clark the other night. She perfects her role and she is in great shape, and seems to be having fun playing a game of basketball. I've been impressed with Indiana in the women's game more than any other team that's out there. 

1 hour ago, Rockytoptomcat said:

Not being an instigator! I am well aware of the turnover at west Tn schools in that timeframe. My Haywood probably has more turnover than y’all do between Massey and Marley. I know why Haywood has had coaching changes. Why has USJ?

I think Kublah explained it very well at the top. I'm not a USJ poster, but I do know Bradley probably wanted to go back to East Tennessee.

5 minutes ago, Rockytoptomcat said:

Sincere question here. IMO USJ head coaching job is the best job for sure in Jackson and arguably in west Tn outside of Memphis. As far as salary goes, at least I’m assuming. Ever since Coach Marley left they have had a hard time keeping anyone. Why is that? 

Don't be an instigator. There are also several programs that had multiple head coaches the same time Marley left USJ.

3 hours ago, tradertwo said:

They'll get a good coach...the USJ job is "high profile" and comes with a good salary, so the only way that they get mediocre or worse is if that's the intention from the get-go, and alumni would never allow for it to happen. Just for the record, I don't think that Stroup left because of "daddy ball" or any other pressure from the outside (administration included). Stroup was sought out and hired for his demeanor toward students, communication skills, and his ability to lead and mentor, not just his aptitude for coaching a group of kids into a winning football team. The new Headmaster doesn't seem to grasp the benefits of athletics within the education system, and the philosophy of "if we're going to do it, let's do it as well as we can" that Coach Stroup believed in. 

Agreed, I don’t think he left for those reasons either. I think Stroup knew the challenges he had to face prior to taking the USJ job, and I thought he handled them well. I really thought last years (I’ve already moved to viewing “this year” as 2023) was one of USJ’s best teams in school history. I know that region is extremely weak, but the game against JCS and Hardin County speak for itself.

7 hours ago, TNbuck84 said:

this is just water-cooler talk I've heard from dads, but is there any chance they pursue either of the two private school coaches already in town? 

No. First, Butler has a kid playing with him at TCA, and another one that is a freshman or sophomore. I don't think Palmer would leave what he started to take a job that has some pressure to it. JCS is in good hands, and I do think Palmer knows that, and wouldn't risk that.

16 hours ago, tradertwo said:

The facilities will remain, but the offensive scheme went out the door with the former HC...be interesting to see if that consistence you spoke of stays or if it left with Stroup too.

I don't think USJ is going to settle for an average coach. USJ has always produced good quarterbacks, a solid receiver, and a running back that'll get the job done. I don't think they'll hire a coach that will change their offense to the Wing T/Triple option that Huntingdon and Covington will run. They have enough athletes to not run that, and that offense usually struggles  if USJ is trailing in the 4th quarter...

They've always had good offenses regardless of the coach, Stroup added a twist to it that is entertaining, balanced, and make it fun for the players.

2 hours ago, Rockytoptomcat said:

One of those coaches has already left. I doubt very seriously the other one is the daddy’s guy! The daddy’s is why nobody wants the job at USJ. I’m assuming they are having to go out of area to find someone 

Which one left? Palmer or Butler?

This job has been available for over 5 weeks now. I'm curious to see who they're going to get. If the school was going after a coach from West Tennessee, then I have a feeling they would've made the hire by now. USJ is an interesting team, they're consistently one of the best teams in West Tennessee, and they have one of the best offenses across the state (not just stat wise but also scheme wise). Facilities are obviously top notch.