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7 hours ago, AllVolHere said:

No referring in general. I know KDubb is a good player and have seen her several games this season. She was doubled but the competition was horrible and outside of one other shooter she is the obvious GoTo on McNairy. IMO Harrison doesn’t belong in the conversation yet. Maybe in a couple years but need to see how she carries Westview when Yancy and Callins is gone. I agree that East TN is weak too but there is ALOT of good teams in Middle TN and alot of good players. I also agree Miss BBall should be about the whole body of work and that includes post season play.....if you make it past Substate you should be in the conversation.

If I’m not mistaken, Mr. Football is a regular season award (and if it is not, then it should be). 
Heisman is a regular season award.
We all know Lamar Jackson will win MVP in the NFL, which is a regular season award.

I do believe that Mr./Mrs. should be a regular season award. The way the criteria sets up on Mr./Mrs. Basketball award and who votes on it, will arguably never change. However, that’s just the way life is sometimes. 
Postseason play is different, can’t penalized a player because of a change of game plan, the pace of game is slower. Remember, districts are harder in some parts of the state than others. But there’s elimination games in the regional tournament. Let’s say Khyla sprains her ankle in the regional tournament, missed the remainder of the game; McNairy Central lose the game and is eliminated. Does that eliminate Khyla from Mrs. Basketball? Your eliminating basically 25-30 games worth of body of work because she failed to get her team to the region championship, which is one game. 

Where's the tournament? Both district and regional?

1 hour ago, SuperFan14A said:

I don't even think of Memphis when football is mentioned. UT Martin beat Memphis about 6-7 years ago and I'd stay at Martin before I went to play for Memphis, if it came down to those 2 choices. 

Now you're being foolish.

54 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

The kid plays at UT Martin for all his home games. I can only assume the poster is referring to UT Knoxville being Martin’s big brother. 

That’s what I initially thought. But he was comparing Memphis as the “little brother” I got a laugh out of it.  

19 hours ago, SuperFan14A said:

No doubt. I heard the kicker is being looked at by Alabama. Hopefully, Carver won't end up there. If he's going to the SEC, then he needs to head to the hill and play at big brother's house, the Vols. The kid has a leg and kicks it very high, which is needed at the next level. 

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6 hours ago, Bigpun54 said:

Not saying it's right it's just the way it is

I got cha. I'm sure it's quiet up there, which I know some people like it. But being way up there is the biggest con of living in Tiptonville I guess.

21 hours ago, Outsider1998 said:

Keyshon Gross from LC more deserving. Also Colby mason, Abbott, or sheirs from LC are probably better than any defensive lineman they picked for that all state team. They should be there. How does the championship team that beat up every other team have less than greenback and south Pittsburg? How does that make sense? 

This doesn't make sense to me. You mentioned that four players got snubbed from LC, but you said they are "probably better than any defensive lineman they for that all state team." Are they better or not? 

7 hours ago, Bigpun54 said:

Like everything else a lot of politics. And their is only a handful of reporters who get to vote on it. Mainly just your big city papers. So pretty much everyone pushes their own area. In west Tennessee it's pretty much just Jackson sun

Sorry that Lake County is away from civilization

5 hours ago, riverrat said:

Been over a month and I have heard of several coaches turning down the job.   Why?  What is going on in Martin.  Not saying this is a premier job, but it is very strange that a coach leaves after one season and they appear to be having so much trouble finding someone they can be happy with that will actually take it.

Other than their quarterback, what makes this job appealing? 

If the NFHS makes it mandatory, then the TSSAA will make it mandatory as well. TSSAA will potentially get sued by the NFHS for not forcing a mandatory rule.

Me, personally, I think it needs to happen, but I know it won't. I wish we can have the luxury of hiring more officials to be "shot clock operators" but we are struggling to hire basketball officials as it is. A more luxury alternative is to find a way to sync something with the shot clock. Maybe if something hard hits the rim, the shot clock automatically resets. I don't know if there is good enough technology for it. 30 seconds would be my preference.

On 1/1/2020 at 4:31 AM, dhstennis said:

“‘Taylor was referencing the fact that the Jackson-Madison County School System redrew the school zones when Jackson Central-Merry closed in May 2016, and Liberty's student demographic changed.

"These kids come from tough circumstances," Taylor said. "A lot of people on the outside don't see what these kids deal with on a day-to-day basis. If you look at the areas these kids come from, they come from poverty."‘“

Now, he can say what he believes. He is a very intelligent man. A fantastic speaker, but I’ve heard this from him repeatedly.

Hookfin won with the same kids. The best team Hookfin ever had was the year JCM kids were allowed to transfer bc of how poorly JCM was performing academically.  Losing to eventual state champions Bo Wallace & Giles Co in the semis

Turner had 2 crops of kids. The first year was before the rezoning, 13-1, falling at CPA in the semis. Incredible defense and line-backing core.  The second year he had to rebuild after graduation with JCM transfers from an 0-10 team, and 1 absolute beast from Chester Co. He produces a completely new group of linebackers and a few Dline replacements on the way to a state championship appearance.  Yes Liberty was loaded on offense with senior talent the second year, but that is simply high school athletics.  

The only thing I am willing to concede to Taylor’s statement is, yes, rezoning ruined Liberty. It pushed virtually all the talent in Madison Co to North Side the next year.  When a dozen yellow buses drive down Christmasville road and turn on/off exit 85, passing Liberty, on their way to/from NS everyday, it just looks bad “rezoning” 

But everyone in JMCSS is poor, EVERYONE.  Those who aren’t poor end up in the private sector. There is plenty of talent at Liberty.  Really at every school in Jackson. The problem is the group of coaches that think they deserve to be around these kids.  It’s all about who you know, not how talented & dedicated you are.  These kids (specifically football players) will do absolutely everything they are told to do, like soldiers. With reckless abandon.  But when a Barney Fife type leader comes along, Liberty 2017-2019 is what you get.  These men have to be able to teach the game, not just play it. And that is where Liberty failed these kids. 

so let’s watch and see what a new/old staff is able to do?  Will they take some steps fwd?  Who knows! 
listen, in 1A football, you can have the best 1 or 2 guys on the field and win some games, but as the divisions get bigger that philosophy tends to become less reliable.  The talent pool grows.  Taylor may work wonders at Westwood, but his stuff just doesn’t work at the level Liberty is at currently

Absolutely agree with you in the fact that the "rezoning" did hurt Liberty compared to North Side and South Side. However, I do believe that all three schools pretty much have equal talent if their coaches can utilize that talent. No question that all three schools should be in the playoffs year in and year out.

Congratulations to him, and shutout to Germantown for giving a 28 year old a shot at a 6A school. I was fairly impressed with Fairley this season, and I believe he'll do just fine. It'll take him some time, but by 2025 I would hope to see him thrive as a Red Devil, and he'll only be 33 at the time. 

I know that Coach Taylor will be fine. He’s going to be okay, and I would certainly take him as a WR coach if I have the opportunity to do so. Therefore, Coach Taylor can coach kids and still be coached at the same time. 
Problem is, Coach Taylor wasn’t ready to be a head coach. The programs that he was assistant at, was not remotely good (FW and Haywood). When Turner left (I think was in June) I’d imagine Liberty searched and was desperate for a coach, and leaned with Taylor. Liberty is also having a “culture” issue. I don’t think they have the fundraising or booster club compared to several programs. In addition, with 5 other schools in Jackson, it’s hard to have first quarter sponsors or “First Bank first down” as they do in Lexington. In addition, JMCSS isnt willing to cooperate with Liberty in facility updating. Remember, Liberty isn’t even 20 years old yet, so they’re lacking the alumni presence in Jackson compared to other schools. 
Instead of building a new football stadium with an 8-Lane track around it, they could just move bleachers back and add two more lanes to the track at Liberty, but it just makes too much sense.

Liberty also had a pretty stellar baseball and softball program, but both have gone down to talent, and overall commitment for both coaches and parents. It’s sad when they have to play softball at Muse or Pope Park, when there is a softball field at their school. You can’t blame Liberty for their downfall, it starts with JMCSS. Liberty’s facilities could have been compared to Dyer County, Independence, and even Summitt. But spending money and maintaining those facilities was the problem, JMCSS didn’t go “all in” into athletics, and still haven’t. So, this new coach will have talent, but that’s it. No support from school district, administration, and even boosters/parents. No legit field house, and you’re competing with South Side and North Side, which are now established with the coaches they have. I wish Liberty the best of luck. Prediction on coaches: Anthony Wallace or Scott Akin.

3 hours ago, warmachine7954 said:

There are posts from teachers going around on FB about how toxic and miserable it is to teach in JMCSS. 

It seems like this bleeds into athletics also.

It’s not necessarily “toxic.” It depends on the school that you work for.

I thought about doing something that is unique for West Tennessee fans. Here's a list of teams records (winning percentages), quarterfinals appearances, semifinals appearances, and state champions. The reason why I posted this on the 1A&2A is because there is a higher amount of 1A&2A teams in West Tennessee. If you complain about the list, tell your team to do better next decade.

Record (winning percentage)

1. Henry County 106-25 (.809)     21. Haywood 67-50 (.572)       41.  Obion Central 33-71 (.317)

2. Huntingdon 97-27 (.782)          22. Trinity 66-52 (.559)              42. Rossville Christian 23-71 (.310)

3. Peabody 97-33 (.746)             23. Dyer County 59-52 (.531)       43. Gleason 30-74 (.288)

4. Dresden 90-32 (.737)              24. McKenzie 59-53 (.526)           44. Fayette Ware 27-76 (.262)

5. Covington 94-34 (.734)          25. Munford 55-51 (.518)             45. Gibson County 26-75 (.257)

6. Union City 92-35 (.724)          26. Westview 54-56 (.490)            46. JCM 15-47 (.241)^

7. Adamsville 86-36 (.704)         27. Bruceton 51-57 (.472)             47. Middleton 14-88 (.137)

8. Lake County 82-39 (.678)       28. Humboldt 50-60 (.454)

9. Milan 88-42 (.677)                    29. Fayette Academy 49-59 (.453)

10. USJ 83-40 (.674)                      30. South Fulton 48-60 (.444)

11. Lexington 80-39 (.672)           31. West Caroll 48-62 (.436)

12. Dyersburg 79-39 (.669)          32. Chester County 45-63 (.416)

13. North Side 77-41 (.652)          33. McNairy Central 41-61 (.4019)

14. Hardin County 73-41 (.640)    34. South Side 43-64 (.4018)

15. Camden 70-45 (.608)               35. Bolivar 42-65 (.392%)

16. Brighton 67-44 (.603)               36. Jackson Christian 41-67 (.379)

17. South Gibson 60-40 (.600)*     37. Halls 37-65 (.362)

18. Riverside 69-47 (.594)               38. Scotts Hill 38-68 (.358)

19. Crockett County 68-49 (.581)    39. Ripley 36-70 (.339)

20. Liberty 77-52 (.577)                     40. Greenfield 34-69 (.330)

Playoff appearances 

10: Camden, Henry County, Huntingdon, Union City, USJ, Peabody

9: Hardin County, Adamsville, Dresden, Dyersburg, Riverside, Lexington, Milan

8: Covington, North Side, Trinity, Lake County

7: Brighton, Munford, Crockett County, Liberty, Bruceton, South Gibson

6: Fayette Academy, Haywood, Chester County, Jackson Christian, Dyer County, McKenzie, Humboldt, South Fulton

5: Bolivar, Westview

4: West Carroll, Fayette Ware, Scotts Hill, South Side

3: Ripley, Greenfield, Obion Central, Gleason

2: Halls, McNairy Central

1: Middleton, Gibson County, JCM

Quarterfinals appearances

7: USJ, Henry County

6: Union City, Peabody, Milan

5: Covington, Lake County, Huntingdon

4: Adamsville, Riverside

3: Dresden, West Carroll, Dyersburg, Trinity, North Side, Haywood, Liberty, Crockett County

2: Fayette Academy, Humboldt, McKenzie, Lexington

1: Hardin County, Brighton, Chester County, Scotts Hill, Camden, South Side, Jackson Christian, Dyer County, Westview

Semifinal appearances

5: Covington

4: Adamsville, USJ, Milan, Peabody

3: Liberty, Trinity, Union City, Lake County, Dresden, Haywood

2: Huntingdon

1: North Side, Brighton, Lexington, West Carroll, Dyer County, Riverside McKenzie, Fayette Academy

State Champions

3: Peabody (2014, 2018, 2019), Union City (2013, 2014, 2017)

2: Henry County (2011, 2013)

1: Lake County (2019), Dresden (2016)

*= 2011-2019 ^=2010-2015

Thoughts? Who could have the biggest turnaround? Who could have the biggest downfall?

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, WestVol said:

Please explain how someone with little experience is low risk?

Because where has Westview been in the last 3-4 years?

I have a guy that Westview people would love to have, and potentially need. He doesn’t have the experience. But he’s a “low risk, high reward guy.”

Teddy has burned the bridge of being a head coach again with his statement. And despite “not getting a fair chance” he’s known the players and he inherited a program that can be a contender for years to come. Unfortunately, Teddy didn’t do that. 5 of the 6 Milan losses this season was by 1 possession or fewer. If he had beaten Huntington, I still believe he has the job. If he escaped the McNairy game and one more game, I think he still has the job. Point is, Teddy didn’t finish at the end of the games, where it became crucial. In addition, Milan is starting to lose to their main rivals (Peabody (0-2) , Huntington (0-2) SGC (2-1 I believe, and Covington (1-2 I believe, could be wrong) on a consistent basis. 
I was shocked by this, but evaluating the program, I am not overly surprised.

If I’m not mistaken, two years ago I thought we mentioned the current coach at Westview to be Milan’s coach, but something about pay is why he didn’t get the job? Didn’t we mention that Milan didn’t get the big hire because of pay? Regardless, I don’t think Teddy was Milan’s first choice to begin with.

5 hours ago, mjuhb said:

James Wiseman just dropped his lawsuit, so his Memphis career is over and they will probably have to forfeit the games he played. 

I doubt that’ll be true. Wiseman will play again this season. If he doesn’t, it’s the NCAA’s lost. 

8 minutes ago, Springbrookrat said:

  Well I'm glad Tennessee has Barnes and not Hardaway.. Lol!

And I’m glad y’all are okay with going to the sweet 16 with the best team arguably in program history.

1 hour ago, Springbrookrat said:

  Yeah well that's the problem with Penny.. I have always respected Penny Hardaway but the way he talked about Barnes and the Tennessee basketball program and now this. NO MORE RESPECT FOR PENNY. Then he doubles down and plays Wiseman last night against Oregon. WOW! This is not the right way to teach young men how to act. PERIOD! Its time the TSSAA brings the hammer down on Memphis East and any other Memphis School (any school for that matter) that knowingly violates the rules like this. Bearden and Whitehaven should be upset because one of those two teams should have another state title. 

This has nothing to do with “character” or anything like that. James, himself, is an amazing outside, and a great person. He’s doubling down and played Wiseman because he feels like it’s right, to show support and back up his player. What’s wrong with that? 
Back on the Tennessee situation, it’s something that the east side of the state blew it up and made it a story. I’m hoping Tennessee fans are ready for another Sweet 16 and below season. 
If the TSSAA brings the hammer down on East, then that’s fine. Go ahead, but we all know, they missed their chance to do so.  

6 minutes ago, District12AA said:

TSSAA should strip Memphis East of their titles and this should resolve the court case that is still tied up after Memphis East field an injunction and a kangaroo court judge ruled in favor allowing Wiseman to play. The TSSAA had it right when the rules him ineligible.

Truth be told, I don't think Penny Hardaway or any player from East cares about the state titles now. They won the games, and the players got their rings. 

Just curious to hear y’all’s opinions on this. I noticed that the drive for D-2 in the playoffs is massive in terms of distance (obviously we are talking about across the state). My question is: What is the travel like for this type of game? Leave on Thursday and spend the night in a hotel, and come back after the game? Leave Thursday and spend two nights in a hotel? Or, leave on Friday, play the game, and come back on Friday after the game?

This is where you would like to be apart of a D-1 college football team...

I'm leaning with White House Heritage in this one, if the Patriots can do their business and limit their mistakes. Lexington's issue has always been the fact that can't find any balance in their offense, and that's why this team has been pretenders for a few years when November rolls around. I watched this team play North Side (without their best player) and the Indians gave them the game in the 2nd half. However, don't be surprised if they throw the ball if WH's defense bring their safeties down and load the box. In terms of throwing, they don't really throw the ball deep downfield, just mainly short and shallow routes.

Unfortunately, Region 6-4A has been disappointing this year. I thought it was Hardin County's district to lose, and they did their job. Chester County went 0-10, Liberty did improve in terms of the win column, but they're definitely not good at all. South Side dropped in terms of talent, and North Side lost their best player and potential Mr. Football candidate. Somebody had to finish 2nd, and it was given to a mediocre Lexington football team.

White House 35-17.

Make sure you fill your car up with gas when you hit Jackson.