justanotherpcfan

1 hour ago, Old50 said:

Laken Leonard from Jackson County better than anyone from Macon or Sumner in last 2.0 years.

Now where was she from again?

I'm not too sure Red Boiling Springs or Gordonsville would rather come back to Livingston.  I actually think with how screwed up TSSAA did these 2 districts/region, Red Boiling Springs and Gordonsville might be closer to East Robertson than to Livingston.  

6th player is a freshman, not a sophomore.

20 minutes ago, footballover said:

Info on Pickett Co? Heard they are gold ball favorites

I don't see any favorites here.  Pickett, Summertown, Greenfield, or Huntingdon might have an edge on paper, but as they say "we don't play games on paper."  Unaka might have double digit losses but they played South Green tough this year, and we all know how good South Green is.  Pickett won this tournament in 1989 with 17 losses, barely had a winning record when state started.  I doubt anybody worried too much about them on the Monday the brackets came out.

1 hour ago, pioneer42 said:

 

Pickett County has bad luck. Bad draws last few years. Westview drew Elizabethton 3 or 4 years in a row. 

I guess that's one way to look at it.  Fact is, you have to beat 3 good teams to win state.  Which 3 you play you can't control.  No use worrying about things you can't control. 

Unaka, Wartburg, Pickett, Moore, Summertown, Huntingdon, Greenfield, Dresden is my guess.  I really don't know much about the Memphis teams or East Tennessee teams.  I've seen some of the Moore County team at AAU events and I think they will be tough to beat at home.  I don't think the Memphis single A schedule is on par with Dresden/Greenfield, but BTW played a lot of out of state teams and you never know how good those teams were, maybe really good?  Who knows.

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Second half, or whenever thought to be the time, Run different people at point, pass multiple times before a shot attempt no matter how open (developing skills for future), don't allow uncontested shots but don't jump the passing lanes aggressively either. Getting easy steals with no problem can actually be a negative. Saw a game this year, 40-1 at halftime, stopped pressing mid first, final was around 48-4. It can be done.

If you had actually been there to have actual firsthand knowledge of what happened, then you would know that's exactly what happened from the end of the 1st quarter until the end of the game.  It's a 1 win team in a weak Chattanooga single A district.  I'm not downing them at all, but that's the truth.  I thought they played hard and I really respect the effort they gave against a superior opponent with the outcome never in doubt.  That's pretty hard to do, in case you've never had to experience that.  I have and it sucks.  I don't put much stock in polls but I think most would agree Pickett is one of the top 10 teams in the state in single A.  Hardy had 7 players dress, I think.  I really don't think you should be downing Pickett over a ballgame you didn't see, but that's just me, I guess.

Please enlighten us on what "things" could have been done, based on your absence from the gym during the game and complete ignorance of the events in question.  I guess the starters could have sat for the entire game?  

I mean, the starters played the 1st quarter and 4 minutes in the 3rd.  Subs played the 2nd quarter and from the 4 minute mark in the 3rd until the end of the game.  Didn't press after the 1st quarter.  Stayed inside the three point line on defense from the 2nd quarter until the end of the game.  Not much else you can do.  Were you there, Indian?

Yeah my bad, wasn't thinking that thru.  I don't know, Clarkrange has laid a few eggs on the road this year...that one may be the best game of the 4.  Hard to predict.

The question for me is how good are the Goodpasture girls?  They seem to be playing better than their record would indicate, particularly of late.  RBS is improved, I think they are well coached (from the 4 games I've seen them play), but Clarkrange is a tough place to get a win, particularly in a win or go home game.  Jackson and Pickett should win, Jackson with a tougher game on paper at least.  I think Clay gets it done and all 4 7A teams come back to Livingston.

Fan control is what it is about. Too bad the girls have to suffer for what happened in the boys game.

Yes but it was about fan control in both the incidents I cited above, too.  In both cases, one that occurred before the Pickett-York incident, and one that occurred after, only probation for 2 years.  No postseason ban, and no postseason sanctions of any kind.  Yet, for Pickett-York, initially both boys teams banned from postseason for one year, then on appeal changed to no postseason games at home for 2 years for the entire athletic department of Pickett, along with other sanctions regarding student attendance.  It was even worse for York boys, with complete postseason ban for what amounted to 3 years.  Please read about both incidents posted above (not from just me, look at what google will turn up)  and tell me what was different about the Pickett-York incident to justify a departure from previous TSSAA sanctions.  Not complaining about getting punished, which was justified, completely, just wondering about the lack of consistency from TSSAA.

At least you got to play in the postseason the last two years. Now a 2 year ban, that is the definition of the punishment not fitting the crime.

Can't argue with that, not at all.  Really have a hard time figuring out what the motive was behind this particular punishment.  Regardless, congrats to the Lady Bobcats on winning the district.  They travel to Gordonsville on Friday in a rematch of last year's opening round of the region.

Its a given that Jackson County and Pickett County are going to win their 1st round region games.  My question is, can Clarkrange and Clay County win on the road?  Not sure if everyone knows this or not but i believe Pickett County is still unable to host a region/substate game.  If this is incorrect i'm sure the PC faithful will help me out here.  If i am correct that means only Jackson County will host a home game, however in PC's case it won't matter as much.  Let's hear from some 8A fans on this!

Yes it's true no home tournament games this year.  Punishment doesn't fit the crime, but what can you do? 

For a fight between Maryville and William Blount boys basketball last January, which involved student athletes as well as fans, only fines and probation were issued, with no post-season restrictions.  Wonder what the difference was?  The Knoxville News-Sentinel has the letters from TSSAA to the individual schools posted if you want to check my facts.

In 2010, Lawrence County and Shelbyville had an on the court brawl between members of the Shelbyville boys' basketball team and the Lawrence County fans.  No members of the Lawrence County team were involved.  (Sounds just like the Pickett County-York incident, doesn't it?)  Result?  Fines and 2 year probation, no post-season punishment.  Again I wonder what was different about the Pickett County situation?  Do a google search to confirm, if you want.

Anyway, yes, there will be no games at home this year for Pickett.  Water under the bridge, I suppose.  Still, the lack of consistency in punishment is irritating, or interesting, or whatever you want to call it.

Yea the tournament MVP is back Chelsie Perry...we lost 3 starters including Deja Faulkner who was hurt last year...Averil Pledge our starting PG and Chelle Parks our other big.

Thanks for the info.  Was really impressed with the team last year, expect more of the same this year.  Hope the best teams make it to the glass house, several really strong teams from all over the state have a chance.  

pioneer, how would you compare last year's Middleton team to this year's?  I know the one girl was hurt (UTM signee?) during the state tournament last year, and last year's tournament MVP is back this year, I think?  Did that team lose anybody else?  I really thought PC had them beat going into the 4th quarter, but Middleton really played well and pulled it out at the end by 5. 

Joe Simms at Clay Co. has surprised a lot of folks, over the years, by getting the best out of his players at tourney time. Remember?

Joe is a good coach, but I think he needs the crop of players at HS junior high currently to be competitive in this district.  Once they arrive, look out...they are good.

They are pretty young and losing Smith hurt.  Then losing Meadows right before the season started, hard to replace that kind of production.  That being said, Crouch is back from her knee injury, and shot the ball well against PC the other night.  There was another young player or two that have skills, so I expect them to improve as the season goes on.

If you don't think PC played dirty then there's something wrong. It was evident they were looking for easy, shady fouls with all those falls. I'm rewatching the game as we speak. I might can post it on YouTube for all of those who'd like some receipts.

Where is the YouTube link?  You know, so we can all see these "obvious" shady falls.  How many again were there?  

I sure will. YouTube will let you upload over 30 minutes right?

Please post the link.  We are anxiously waiting.

 

When you put anything on here, it's simply to gloat.

 

PC are far and away, the shadiest/dirty players in 7A. I'd rather lose to ANY other team knowing that the win was justified. Someone could cough during a shot and one of them would fall. It's actually quite hilarious and A LOT of people I was sitting with made note of that. It's whatever though, I'm reassured with the fact that when PC goes to state, it will be another replay of every other single year.

Shady/dirty?  I don't think that means what you think that means.  

Jackson County has won 4 in a row as well. Jealous? Not so much. I'm simply appalled at such horrid tactics used to win.

 

I'd rather lose every game than resort to faux charges to pull foul shots. Genuine talent will triumph over that at some point. PC has good qualities but not good enough to score a gold ball.

Fake charges to pull foul shots, huh?  Put your money where your mouth is...lets see some clips to back up what you are whining about.  By the way, how many points did PC score on free throws from all those fake charges?  At least 15, to hear you talk, since that's how many you got beat by.  Oh that's right, you don't actually shoot free throws for offensive fouls, so...

clarkrange will win state this year. ucsportsfan you know ur my buddy and i respect your opinion. jc is a powerhouse year in and year out. however i knew something was wrong over there this year when i saw jc lose badly to a really bad lebanon team last summer. it was also one of the worst jc teams iv seen in years. but still competitive. i have seen pc play twice this year and i think they are pitiful themselves. we beat them by 30 or 40. not impressed.i think van buren will beat pc in substate and go to state. good luck to all!

Well that settles it.  No need to play the games.  We can all just go home and get ready for next year.  90warrior has spoken, and so it shall be. 

"Pitiful" PC did beat Clarkrange this year, you know.   And White County did beat Pickett by 30 at Sparta, but it was a much more difficult win at Byrdstown, and you know it, if you were there.

Not sure what your agenda is, but you take every opportunity to down Pickett, at least over the past 3 months that I've seen your posts. 

So the kid in the Jackson County jersey sitting in the Jackson County student section flashing his phone at the player on the free throw line isn't from Jackson County?  Did you look at the pictures I posted?  Why bring up Pickett County's student section from last year?  You called someone a liar, and stated certain "FACTS" that are not supported by photographic evidence.  Fact is, I think you owe bobcatfan300 an apology.

You're a LIAR!  It was NOT any student from Jackson County that did this it was a student from LIvingston Academy so keep your mouth shut unless you know the truth and you should apologize in person to the students of Jackson County and not hide behind this fictitious name!!! COWARD

Well this guy and another one on here has made it personal lieing about the kids from Jackson County, claiming to know the truth when they don't and for adults to do that and then hide behind a fictitious name on a website is not good in my opinion.  I'm not sure where they were sitting but the ones that were doing it had nothing to do with Jackson County and for this moron to get on here and say its true without knowing the real truth just rubs me the wrong way.  They'll get on here and accuse and ask for the entire student section to be banned but they won't get back on here and apologize and in my opinion should then ban themselves from the games for lieing about kids.

Glad the truth came out.  To speak about the entire student section from the actions of one person is being very harsh also.  Good luck to JC whenever the games get played.

where is the apology? How about you turn yourself in for being a liar and accusing the wrong fans? You've said "that is the truth" several times on this thread already and you have lied through your teeth but you refuse to take responsibility for your actions why is that?  You accused the students from Jackson County that was a lie, you cannot sweep it under the rug you're a liar plain and simple.  Now apologize to the students from Jackson County for lieing about them and saying they should be banned from the games, thats the least you can do at this point.

There are three fans seen flashing their phones.  One of them has on a Jackson County jersey.  All three are sitting in the Jackson County student section.  Now, I don't think the entire student section should be banned, and to some extent, gamesmanship by the student section on free throws is a part of the game.  But neither should you declare someone a liar when you didn't personally witness the event, as these pictures clearly show the events as bobcat300 spelled out, for the most part.  Anyway, water under the bridge, as they say.  Good luck to all teams in region play.