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Not high school but several young men from TN in action: UTC blue vs gold.  Of note, Palmer has dropped to 125. I like it for him.

Jackson Hurst over Logan Paradice 

Dalrymple over Carson Chalk

Palmer over McDonald

Logan Webster over Kendrick Curtis.

Ethan Lipsey over Dom DiTomasso

Munro over Wyatt Gibbs.

And keep in mind that Tennessee didn't have a single high school AA at the 2022 Super 32.  That is how tough this tournament is.  This was who went to the 2022 tournament.  

106LBS    Chase Walker            
106LBS    Joseph Uhorchuk            
113LBS    Bryson Terrell            
113LBS    Cooper Hilton            
113LBS    Mason Jakob            
120LBS    Caleb Uhorchuk            
120LBS    Cole Gumlick            
120LBS    Ethan Uhorchuk            
120LBS    Nathaniel Boger            
120LBS    Zac Bosken            
126LBS    Bentley Ellison            
126LBS    Jarvis Little            
126LBS    Spencer Reep            
132LBS    Ethan Lipsey            
132LBS    Samuel Hutchison            
138LBS    Caleb Gumlick            
138LBS    Landon Desselle            
138LBS    Luke Belcher            
138LBS    Seth Robles            
145LBS    Hunter Sturgill            
145LBS    Jay Eversole            
145LBS    Logan Fowler            
145LBS    Riley Fort            
152LBS    Maximus Norman            
152LBS    Tate Myers            
152LBS    Thomas Magness            
160LBS    Briar Whaley            
160LBS    Grayson Allen            
160LBS    Ian Mcgehee            
160LBS    Jacob Barlow            
170LBS    Aidan Brenot            
170LBS    Jake Stacey            
182LBS    Henry Tate            
195LBS    Kendrick Curtis            
195LBS    Rob Atwood            
220LBS    Noah Todd            
285LBS    Jackson Witsell            
 

Current Entries, who can achieve All American Status at what is one of the toughest HS Folk Style tournaments in the country?

Tanner Tran TN 106 Father Ryan High School 2
Samuel Comes TN 106 Seymour High School 1
Brody Connell TN 113 McCallie School 5
Luke Kibelbek TN 113 Lakeway Christian Academy 4
Joseph Uhorchuk TN 113 Signal Mtn High School 1
Luke Kibelbek TN 113 Lakeway Christian Academy 4
Chase Creque TN 120 Siegel High school 3
Mason Jakob TN 120 Dobyns Bennett 1
Ethan Uhorchuk TN 120 Signal Mtn High School 1
Joseph Calvin TN 120 Father Ryan High School 1
Kyle Nielsen TN 120 Spring Hill High School 3
Carson Dupill TN 120 Greeneville High School 1
Cole Gumlick TN 120 Lakeway Christian Academy 2
Kyle Nielsen TN 120 Spring Hill High School 3
Luke Carpenter TN 120 East Hamilton 6
Brody Gobbell TN 126 Father Ryan High School 3
Casen Roark TN 132 Father Ryan High School 1
Hudson Frazier TN 132 Montgomery Bell Academy 3
Jarvis Little TN 132 Summit High School 1
Spencer Reep TN 132 Lakeway Christian Academy 1
Ethan Lampert TN 132 Father Ryan High School 3
Spencer Reep TN 132 Lakeway Christian Academy 1
Derrick Day TN 132 Greeneville High School 
Cam Helton TN 138 Lakeway Christian Academy 2
Brayden Leach TN 144 Summit High School 3
Titus Norman TN 144 Baylor School 3
Aron Tenpenny TN 144 Father Ryan High School 4
Hunter Sturgill TN 150 Baylor School 1
Max Landrum TN 150 Rossview High School 5
Tristan Busch TN 150 Ringgold 1
Chancery Deane TN 150 Father Ryan High School 1
William Schuft III TN 157 Cleveland High School 
Max Norman TN 165 Baylor School 1
Brody Casto TN 165 Lakeway Christian 2
Barrett Whaley TN 165 Halls High School 4
Sawyer Rutherford TN 165 Father Ryan High School 4
Barrett Whaley TN 165 Halls High School 4
Henry Williams TN 175 Northwest hughschool 
Jake Stacey TN 175 Green Hill High School 1
Kevin Shaw III TN 190 Northwest High School 
Standford Thompson TN 190 West Creek Highschool 
Jake Dempsey TN 190 Dobyns Bennett 

Congratulations to both.  Max's finals was something, I think his opponent was re-evaluating his life in Wrestling after that whooping.  Kid wound up for blast double on Max and Max didn't move an inch upon receiving, kid just sat down like he hit a wall, even confused Max for a moment.  Later in the match the kid was vigorously tapping (BJJ style) and Max was having none of it.  Just kept right on wrestling like he should.  Kid cursed the ref and smacked Max's hand (all the while having a fat bloody lip) during the hand shake at the end. Max's face in that moment was so good, I wish I could post a pic. Never change Max, an animal, just an animal.

Some others took third and fourth and wrestled tough.

Max Norman gets it done in OT.  Max's conditioning and power was just a hair better at the end.   Max vs Logan was the main event.  JoJo and Jakob was great match as well. JoJo won it.

Max Norman ranked 16 on Flo at 160.  Logan Fowler ranked 17 on Flo at 160.  Margins don't get any slimmer.  Max coming off some hard losses at Elite 8 (competition was high, so no slight there).  Should be a fun one.

14 minutes ago, TotallynotLEO said:

Who do you see coming out of that region as the top 2 teams then?  I was thinking Crocket at least has a full roster of experienced kids. Same for Tennessee high. Greeneville will be good,  great even,  at some weights, but will they be giving up any forfeits?  Hard to win duals like that.  

They have Carson and Chriswood. After that things get super iffy.  The other kid who was fairly good quit last year.  

Crockett has the two Ferrell brothers remaining who of course will be fine. Their likely 190 is solid but needs to wrestle to his potential. They have several kids in the middle of the lineup who are all sophomores. One is really solid, one will do ok.  They will be a handful in their junior and senior years.   If their 106 from last year can hang around until the end of the season, a big if, then he can be decent at the lower middle weights assuming he has grown.  Crockett will have a new 106 who be good.

Next year is likely PF and Gibbs moving on to states. It helps that Halls has moved on but Anderson will be tough as well, or at least should be.  

Edit: To my knowledge very very few of the remaining Greeneville and Crockett kids train the bulk of the year.  The last of those were the prior kids mentioned who have all moved on. 

47 minutes ago, TotallynotLEO said:

 

That sectional between them and region 1 with Crockett, Greeneville,  Tennessee is going to be entertaining.  

 

Greeneville and Crockett will both be down, I think probably massively down.  Greeneville has lost three of the best wrestlers in the state, period, in the last two years, that being Kodiak, Hunter, and Colin.  They do not have the talent to replace even 1/3 that.  It doesn't exist.

Crockett has lost three medalists in the last two years as well, those being Horton, Hylton (their ace), and Gabe Ferrell.  

I don't see either being particularly competitive next year. I'm not being mean, just stating how it is.  

1 hour ago, cowcatcherII said:

Chrisman was a definite miss. I was thinking he graduated for some reason but that is my mistake. You get forgetful when you become my age! LOL If healthy I would honestly have him at #1 above Atwood. I will update my earlier post. 
 

With Turner, I have been told that he was very light for 160 last year and wrestled up a weight class to help the team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him at 157, but doubt he goes any higher than that. 

Almost zero chance he beats Atwood, I've seen them both wrestle up close on many occasions.   Atwood trains and travels far far more than Chrisman.   Chrisman is strong but Atwood is a better wrestler. 

In the very light weight classes on Flo I've noticed an overwhelming lack of kids from the south east and not just TN.  Completely dominated by PA, OH, NJ, IL, NY, etc.    Occasional FL, OK, GA, TN kid.

The sport is much larger and more important up north, again, particularly in those lighter weight classes, and therefore hard for the south eastern kids to get the necessary eyeballs unless they can consistently and impressively AA or beat top ranked opponents. Example being the Raney brothers out of KY.

On the flip side I've noticed over the last few years that not many native TN young men survive more than one to two years at D1 schools, fewer ever start, and even less make an impact (wrestling is so hard, no knock here). I'm not counting incoming transplants or TN kids who wrestled the majority of their career out of state.  Of course the same may be true for other northern states as well.  Point being, maybe the rankings are correct.

What a trio of losses for DB.  Watkins may follow suit with the team's core, and it was a young core, essentially gutted.

Has another team ever lost two state champs and a third place finisher in one year?

In regards to wrestling I think a big reason to transfer to Baylor would be access to Bosken and Boom Ranch and everything associated with those two.  I hate to see the Norman kids go, if they did go, as I've really enjoyed watching them wrestle locally. Tougher times coming to NE TN in the near future. I don't see the talent coming up to replace what we've lost in the last five years with respect to public schools. I was thinking the other day and it definitely seems we will be in a downturn for a bit.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  Rough go for DB as this kills any and all title aspirations if true.   Max and Titus were for all practical purposes, automatic wins and they don't have the depth to replace that type of loss.

I think any kid should be able to transfer where they want when they want as many times as they want. It all works out in the end. A couple of kids at DB who would maybe have never wrestled as a starter will now get that opportunity (again, if true).

Should be noted this was in Istanbul Turkey, not Poland. Not sure where I got that location from.

Flo put a highlight reel on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umF313orGik

Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnREqN8Xwig

The only battle in that moment was probably self, and she handled it beautifully.  Well done on the big stage.

Wow.  Just wow.  Well done. Congratulations to her team and family.  One more.

Definitely improving.

I admit I was surprised that we were missing the following in 16U freestyle: 106, 126, 138, 170, and 182.

Missing in Junior freestyle: 106, 113, 182.

I thought we might get a full squad at both.

Max's opponent at 160 was really good.  Ugh, I hate it. 

Max Norman into the finals by pin in the first period. Crazy.  Pre-tournament Flo picked Max and his opponent to make the finals. Flo picked Max to lose.  Come on Max!!!

Only other wrestler in the finals for 16U or Junior is a young man I don't know by the name of Shamus Regan.  Looks like NY to SC to TN?

Mad Max and JoJo Urohchuk into Semis.  Shame Walker and JoJo had to wrestle in the quarters.   Young Chittum moves into Semis as well. 

1 hour ago, Appvol said:

Was hoping Jakob would win. He lost 14-6 to Stinson 

Tough first round for sure.  A lot of work to get to the podium.  At these tournaments you never know, my son and I were at one of the biggest national tournaments and he wrestled two kids who ultimately AA'd in hist first two rounds (round 1 and consolation round 1).  The seeded kid who lost in the first round got caught and pinned and ended up in the back draw.  LoL, good times, long trip for some quick lessons.

I think Mason has the talent to make it though, I remember Hunter Mason lost his first or second match at Super 32 and came all the way back to make the podium.

1 hour ago, Appvol said:

Was looking at the Fargo brackets Mason Jakob 1st match is against Cameron Stinson from NC. Stinson is committed to UNC. Stinson is a 3 time champ and hasn’t lost during his high school season.

Mason is going to be sophomore next year so I’m surprised to see him in juniors. 

1 hour ago, Ummmno said:

Based on the list of names who couldn't compete or refused to go its easy to see why we're not competitive. Some of these kids could very easily be ranked in the country if they'd wrestle outside of December to February.

There wasn't a single flo ranked kid from NJ on the team that TN faced, not one. You are aware of that right?  Even with the kids named I'm not sure our team matches up if it is NJ best vs TN best.  I think we win a few, fight hard at a few and then things get away from us. Overall I do think TN is moving in the right direction with respect to our elite kids.

NJ has or 24 or 25 kids ranked on Flo across all the weight classes except 113, 152, and 195. Tennessee has one excluding Hunter (who has graduated), Cooper Hilton (currently 13th).  I'm not sure how competitive we would be if we lined up their best with our best if I'm being honest.  The rankings are not super accurate IMO with respect to High School so I could be pleasantly surprised.  

22 minutes ago, Mason422 said:

This may be a little long but I will do my best to answer. To answer your question directly I think the average kid can be successful if they are willing to put in the work.  Having said that they will need dedicated parents, decent partners and a very good coach.  
 

I attribute Hunters success to this. We moved to an area that had a super good coach. “Joe Kemmerer”. Hunter held back in 8th grade and a kid from NC did the same and stayed at our house most of the year.  Those two along with Joe did a 3 hr private everyday, took an hour break then did a 2 hr club practice. There were times they was beaten up but they pushed through it and made huge jumps in their wrestling ability. 
 

Hunter starts HS and Randy Shelton and Atlas Fagundes gave him everything he needed and more. Got him into the best HS tournaments in the county and provided a tough room. They always gave him and others the option to leave practice early to go To club.  After Joe left, ”us hammer parents” mostly Rick Jacobs recruited Nahshon Garrett to run club and Hunter made another level jump. So hard work isn’t the only answer in my opinion, you must have good coaching and dedication from the parents and kids. 
 

Most of Hunters HS schedule was as follows. Leave the house at 5am to lift before school, do HS practice, run by the house grab a quick bite then drive an house to Kingsport to practice, return home around 9pm eat do homework and repeat.  Most kids aren’t willing to put that kind of Quality work in. 
 

a lot of people just quote hard work but it has to be quality hard work and Hunter was blessed to have quality coaches that cared about him. 
 

Hunter wasn’t ever naturally gifted as a wrestler. Heck his first year he got pinned almost every match.  It wasn’t until he completely dedicated himself that he started having success. If you ask him today he would still say he wasn’t good enough and he has to get better.  It’s his mindset that has helped him have a little bit of success in wrestling. 
 

we aren’t sure if he will start right away or not.  He’s doing very good in the room and Robie told him to be ready to go straight in. I trust the coaches completely and know they will do what’s best for him and the team.  I think Hunter would like to redshirt, but would also do whatever the coaches ask of him.  Thanks a bunch for keeping up with my boy. 
 

Sid
 

 

Sid knows me and I was there to watch a good portion of Hunter's work (yes, it was nuts, in a good way).  The beauty was that other kids saw his success and wanted to emulate and others kids saw he how hard he worked and said I'm good being roughly where I'm at within this sport.  There was no avoiding the lesson which was if you want it, then here is the blue print and the blue print is try and outwork me.  Each kid had to make a choice and each kid was smacked in the face every day with some hard truth. With a kid like Hunter (and Kodiak) at practice each and every day, well the other kids were tested, a lot.  There were zero easy practices. Zero.  

The school my son went to didn't have a dedicated practice room until his junior year (maybe senior, already forgotten). They rolled the mats up after every other practice and these weren't Dollamur light weight mats. The mats weighed hundreds of pounds.  Dad's ended up stepping in to be assistants because we couldn't keep any "professionals". No money for the coaches (it was so little it might as well be none).  The team was mostly country boys that wrestled in season and played other sports when the season ended.  That isn't going to change either, the program will in all likelihood simply exist year to year and get by. You know what? I loved it. Loved almost every second of it. Would it have been nice to win a few more duals that mattered and to gather wide spread recognition across the state? Sure, but those thoughts only lasted a few brief moments and then our team was the greatest team on planet earth. Why?  Because I knew the parents, I knew the kids, and there was a camaraderie that went beyond wins and losses.  I loved that team as much, and maybe more, as any parent anywhere in Tennessee. I'm going to be brutally honest, high school ends, life starts (granted college is still fun), and nobody gives a f#ck where you wrestled.  How many kids that wrestle in college from TN taste success?  All that matters is did wrestling teach your kid and those kids around you the life lessons they needed. Although sometimes I think I got more life lessons than my kid.  You don't need money or even great success to learn those lessons. What teams like Cleveland, Summit, Wilson Central, PF, Soddy, DB, Signal, Greeneville, etc have done is impressive and it's awesome some kids get to reap the rewards of their work within the format of team sports.  The rest can aspire but its hard for "small market" teams to keep coaches and high end talent with what is effectively zero money, that's ok.

As far as OP's topic I'm not schooled enough in TN wrestling history to comment about GOAT coaches as I only know the last decade in any detail.