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Get this straight, it's not the kids, it is the parents. Football and school administrators drove the split, not kids. Parents are more concerned about trophies than the kids are. Adults absolutely screw everything up and then people come along and blame kids.

I'm referencing college folk style only, not freestyle and the Olympics. I'm placing Steveson over Gable due to him having an Olympic Gold (and the shock value that brings) and then losing, but definitely splitting hairs on that one. Either way, nobody was picking Dan or Steveson to lose, nobody.

Just look at 157. Nobody was considering anyone but Kasak and Shapiro as one and two. They finished third and fifth. Then of course you have Steveson, who lost in the finals, and I agree with many that say it has to be the biggest upset of all time. A constant reminder that in wrestling, nobody is guaranteed anything.

Chittum was the only TN wrestler to win his first round. Chittum then drew one seed Kasak and lost 8-3. Solid coaching against Cody. Kasak did a nice job shutting down Cody's left underhook, which he likes to work from. Cody in the consolations. Trae went 0-2. Tight first match and then an Ok State kid who went straight for Trae's lead ankle four or five times in a row. He will learn from that one, nonetheless, awesome that he made it. Roller went 0-2. Congrats on simply making it as well. Flynn lost first round, but won first round of consolations. First match was prototype Flynn, low scoring affair. Flynn gets the pin in the consolation first round.

Congratulations to Brennan Watkins (former Dobyns Bennet wrestler) for taking third at the D2 National Championships within the 149 pound weight class. Did we have any others?

Trae McDaniel qualifies for the NCAAs and avenges his loss earlier in the season to Lehigh's Hines. Big congratulations to Trae. He had to win to qualify and he did. Impressive.

If you all haven't seen Trae's match in the dual against Navy go back and watch it. Great moment for him and hopefully he can carry that confidence into the qualifier. Only one allocation so he has to win to move on. Two seed has a win over Trae (12-10), he will be tested.

Tenn. Code Ann. § 49-6-3401(g) lists the offenses that when committed by a student require a mandatory calendar year expulsion that may only be modified on a case-by-case basis by the director of schools. These offenses are referred to as zero tolerance offenses. Prior to April 28, 2023, there were three zero tolerance offenses outlined in Tenn. Code Ann. § 49-6-3401(g)(2): Zero tolerance doesn't mean a kid can't come back (as noted in the rules, and some people love rules) and it is ridiculous that vaping is a zero tolerance offense in the first place. Complete stupidity on the part of school/state government administrators. First offense punishment for vaping should be something far less heavy handed. Think on this all you super strict rule followers, school administrators have lumped vaping in with Mass Violence Threats Assault. Fire arms in school

The topic was last ten years. I think Marable graduated from high school, what, 19 or 20 years ago?

I went with Logan because he got the starting job as a freshman. Jarvis is also a super pick

He is right there and the rest of his career may put him on top. I'm definitely using come college data in determining who I listed. We can now see the guys who have really made the transition to successful starter within the college ranks. However, if you remove my ability to scan the college ranks then there are quite a few guys I would put up there with JoJo being highest on that list. Side shout out. IMO the best 2024-2025 true freshman college season: Logan Fowler at Air Force

Only two guys from TN have won Super 32 (in recent history). Chittum and Flynn. Super 32 is the measuring stick for a folk style wrestler and winning it versus placing in it is a much different animal. Placing is so hard but to win that #### is a ridiculous achievement. 2024 super 32: One AA 2023 super 32: Two AA 2022 super 32: Zero AA 2021 super 32: One AA which was Cody Chittum 1st Place 2020 super 32: Three AA and Cooper Flynn: 1st Place 2019 super 32: One AA 2018 super 32: Zero AA You get the picture. Fargo is nice. Beast of the east is cool, but Super 32 is freaking hard. In eight years we've had 7 All Americans at super 32. Rankings: Number 1: Cody Chittum by a landslide. Number 2: Cooper Flynn (Palmer and Flynn are super close but Flynn actually beat Palmer 2-1, so...) Number 3: Brayden Palmer Number 4: Trae McDaniel

Regionals -> States with just one division. 32 man bracket. More qualifiers but less state medalists. I think back on some of the brackets that could have been if the separation didn't exist, man, would have been fun and the "truth" would be told on who was ultimate state champ. I posted a summary from the Tennessean a few years ago about what really drove the split and the timeline. Unsurprisingly it was football and a game between Brentwood and Riverdale in 1995. Makes for a good read. Article on what really led to public private split.

Truth, but that is why I encourage everyone to get on board with transfers and recruiting. The novelty will wear off really quick when parents start to realize only one kid can start, and that given a good enough team, even if their kid is great, he/she may not get that opportunity. It will also kill the enthusiasm of the middle of the road parent when their kid puts in the work and a new person, under whatever circumstances, takes their spot. I can't think of a single parent who thinks their kid riding the pine on a great team is awesome. If they say otherwise, they lying. Ultimately I want everyone to be able to transfer whenever they want and as many times as they want. I want coaches to be able to recruit whomever and whenever they want. Let the chaos reign. Would be awesome, in that self-correction would come along real fast. I think most of us, at least the parents that have any amount of common sense, realize sports are very, very temporary. It ends in HS for 90%. Ends in college for the other 9.9%. That last .09% maybe turn professional. Then the last .01% actually make good money within their sport. So 99.99% don't ever make any money playing sports. Almost every lesson a kid needs can be learned in HS if you've played your cards right as a parent. However, I've come to realize who this benefits the most are kids without "proper" parents. My kids were going to be fine, with or without sports. However, like all of us I've seen some pretty awesome things happen to kids within HS sports who aren't lucky enough to have quality parents. In the end, as an outsider looking in now that kids are grown and gone, I simply relish watching kids and young men/women have their moment. That's it.

Congratulations to this years 2025 champs. Cleveland had a total of 21 Pins and TFs across three duals. They lost a total of 9 matches across those same three duals. Complete and utter dominance. The work has definitely paid off for their program. Soddy, just a few miles down the road as the crow flies, put in an almost equally dominant run. I can't help but think the geography is playing a role in the combined efforts of these two teams. Well done. Matches and events that were fun or surprising: Summit's Little and his dominant win over Cleveland's High plus Little's equally impressive performance against Harlen Hunley. Wyatt Howard with a Pin, TF, and a Major across his three matches. The Urohchuk's not getting the opportunity to wrestle in the finals. Reminded me of a dual a few years back where Greeneville's studs didn't get the opportunity. Cy Fowler's two pins, not to mention his presence not required against DB. Mason Jakob's TF against Cleveland and prior pin. Cleveland's Cordero brothers over Watkins and Church. Was looking forward to these matchups.

I watched the video of PF vs SM. I do not like what happened in those matches. Not one bit.

138 McCallie 3-0 Williams over Sanders 144 McCallie 9-0 Villers by FF 150 McCallie 12-0 Stubblefield over Cogden 157 Cleveland 12-5 High over Ledbetter 165 McCallie 15-5 Wingfield over Pulley 175 Cleveland 15-10 Fowler over Gower 190 Cleveland 15-13 Shurette over French 215 McCallie 18-13 Boyles 285 Cleveland 18-16 Russell over Gentle 106 Cleveland 18-21 Chittum 113 Cleveland 18-27 Cordero over Scott 120 Cleveland 18-30 Walker over Richie 126 McCallie 23-30 Lane over Maughon 132 Cleveland 23-35 Bosken

It is still available to watch.

Region 1, both last night: DB beat Science Hill, not sure of score, nothing on track. Crockett over TN High 43-34.

Just watched Dupill wrestle Jordan Williams from Little Rock at NWCAs. 5-5 in the third and Jordan hit unbelievable duck on Colin. Ugh.. Colin was face down on the mat before he knew what happened. Nonetheless, a good year for him.

For region 1A, Crockett should get Jake back next week, but Colton is out for the season. TN is likely the favorite and second is up for grabs. Probably comes down to whichever teams are healthiest at the time. TN and Crockett both have to get it done this year because both are back in big school next year with both being in the same district as Science Hill and DB.

Now this I can get behind.

I have to start with Cody Chittum. Now ranked number 6 on flo after a big win over Paddy Gallagher from Ohio State. Cody, to me, is getting better every match, and it is fantastic he doesn't have to sit out a year as many thought he might. Would love to see him represent TN come March. Cody, like another Cleveland alum mentioned below, likes wrestling. It shines through. The man goes for it and its fun to watch. Jackson Hurst. Big shout out to Jackson for reaching the semis at the Southern Scuffle. Unfortunately, relatively early in his semis match he twisted his knee badly. I honestly thought he tore something in the moment and it for sure upset his momentum, particularly in the consolation matches. Jackson is wrestling on toughness, heart, and determination at all times as he is rarely the best athlete on the mat. To me, Jackson's best attribute is his gas tank. He comes prepared. His upset of Clayton Ulrey in round 1 was huge, probably the biggest win of his career. Clayton is a transfer out of VT. Trae McDaniel. Wrestled up at 157 for the Southern Scuffle, unsure of why, but I do think the weight class move hurt his results a tad. At 149 I think Trae finishes top three with a solid chance to win it. Nonetheless, he wrestled the eventual champ at 157 and lost by a score of 4-2. I really feel Trae should qualify this year. Trae likes wrestling and in turn its fun to watch him. Aiden Brenot. Big forth place finish at the Southern Scuffle with his standout win being a MD over Stewart from VT. Honestly he straight up bullied Stewart. Has achieved starter status. Nicely done. Other thoughts: Landon Desselle: Really solid redshirt season. He is on a super tough team, don't know that means for him going forward, but for whatever it's worth I was impressed. Hunter Mason: Solid season as a non-starter but an up and down one. Hunter has some tough losses but if you look a couple of those were at 149 which isn't his weight class. Notably McNeil and Dalrymple. I have zero doubt he is doing the work and I think we see Hunter at his apex next year. Another guy on a super tough team. Kodiak Cannedy: His best year, non-starter but for sure has improved. Has wrestled stiff competition including Levi Haines and Keegan O'toole. Jake Stacey: True freshman taking a redshirt. Up and down. Like his gas tank and I think there is potential once he settles in to D1 wrestling. Bryson Terrell: Not bad. 5-7 record. I think he could start at App State as time goes on. Logan Heckert: Up and down in his second year. Some nice wins, some perhaps unexpected losses. David Harper: Rough season. See if he can adjust during the most important part of the year. Dayne Dalrymple: Ups and downs. I hear Dayne works extremely hard. I'd like to see him get over the hump. At times I feel like he is close to seeing the light. Nonetheless he is starting and that ain't easy.

Then correct the information that @cbg provided, what @cbg hears is typically not far off the mark and you just stated you're too far removed. So in the end, neither of us know for sure what was said in the moment or even beyond. @cbg noted he did consult with an official. Slanderous, lol.

Unreal. Just outside looking in, I don't think for a second Father Ryan's coach would sacrifice his reputation for any kid. Whole thought process is borderline retarded, I can understand an initial reaction from Baylor, but if they had taken a moment to think that through they would have accepted the official's admission to what is a huge error.