MichauleyCulkin

6 minutes ago, ObserverW said:

Ok, so let me use your phrasing.   I wasn't dogging Pete, I'm simply saying there were about 25 other coaches who deserved the award but he wasn't one of them. 

 

It's just a little weird that daddy might have had influence over the vote.

I agree that was a very odd year. Like stated before that region has now had 2 other coaches place in state when they weren’t ranked in top 4 previously and didnt even get coach of the year in the region. Would have thought an award that goes throughout the whole state would have to go to one of the teams that end up somewhere on top.

17 hours ago, Ummmno said:

No disrespect but Calvin wrestles 2 matches going into the region tournament (according to trackwrestling). Then goes 1-2 at the region tournament and wins region 7 wrestler of the year? How did that voting work?

 

The other is a no brainer. Coach Miller definitely was the right choice there.

This might shock you, but Miller only won by ONE vote against RAVENWOOD for head coach of the year. 3rd in state, or Ravenwood.

Should never be a question that regional wrestler of the year is going to be on the top of the podium. Only ones who showed that were Deselle, Ables, and Willet. Apparently 2 wins and losing to a freshman/ returning regional runner up is enough for that tho.

5 hours ago, Bump11 said:

QF-Finals continued..

 

145-

#2 Jackson Hurst (Dobyns) over Kyle Cooley (McMinn)

#6 Steven Fisak (Wilson) over #3 Cooper Finch (Brentwood)

Eli Clemmons (Lebanon) over #4 Alex Ables (Centennial)

#1 Thomas Williams (Rossview) over #5 Dylan Cockman (Arlington)

 

Hurst over Fisak

Williams over Clemmons

 

Williams over Hurst

 

152-

#3 Levi Stone (Wilson) over Ethan Duck (Centennial)

 #2 Cael Laxton (Cleveland) over Miles Grady (Summit)

Tanner Higham (Mt. Juliet) over Amange Abdurrahman (Overton)

#1 Mason Smith (Beech) over Joseph Frye (Science Hill)

 

Laxton over Stone

Smith over Higham

 

Smith over Laxton

 

160-

#2 Jared Harter (Science Hill) over #3 Nate Schilling (Cleveland)

 #4 Cainon Elkins (Halls) over #5 Dejon Glaster (Oakland)

 #1 Tre Morissette (Dobyns) over Evian Green (Overton)

Owen Zuckerman (Houston) over Landon Lewis (Soddy)

 

Harter over Elkins

Morissette over Zuckerman

 

Morissette over Harter

Clemmons over Ables is interesting. I think Clemmons lost to Fisak twice this year and Ables majored him

Why did they throw a match?

24 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

Does anyone have a copy of the previous one they posted on tssaasports.Com?  I would really like to see it and see what all the complaining is about. I mean Blackman beat Centennial head to head already and that is really all that matters. I mean maybe Centennial needs to actually place top 4 this year and that way they have a guaranteed seeding in the bracket the next year if they win their region. 

I'll check with one of the coaches. And yes Centennial lost to Blackman earlier, but without there full team/ correct weights so i think Centennial wins now. And the thing is, is that somehow out of the random draw, 5 of 7 teams stayed in the same spot. Which is complete BS to  say it is random because the likelihood of that happening is the same of it snowing in the Bahamas tomorrow.

Blackman should start thanking whoever did the redraw. Now they walk straight to the semis. Funny how they redraw it Region 7 now gets Wilson Central in the 1st round and Cleveland in the 2nd round. I love that they draw live where people can see so we know its not rigged

30 minutes ago, WrestlingGod said:

And its easily explainable. Brentwood were returning medalists. Summit beat them early in the season. That's the entire reason they were favored early before they got into the meat of the schedule. You can sit here and say you knew Indy was the shoo-in but that race was far too close to tell, for anybody. Every team moves weight classes, it didn't have anything to do with one kid losing, it had 100% to do with Indy turning it on in the second half of the season (which Jared has done for many years now) and other teams falling flat in the second half, like Summit. Nobody could've said for 100% certainty (like you can in region 4 for example) who was finishing second. And it will be like this for years to come in Region 7.

And your right, nothing will be 100%. But if you pay attention to each wrestler, and there match ups, and weights you can get a good idea. 

36 minutes ago, WrestlingGod said:

And its easily explainable. Brentwood were returning medalists. Summit beat them early in the season. That's the entire reason they were favored early before they got into the meat of the schedule. You can sit here and say you knew Indy was the shoo-in but that race was far too close to tell, for anybody. Every team moves weight classes, it didn't have anything to do with one kid losing, it had 100% to do with Indy turning it on in the second half of the season (which Jared has done for many years now) and other teams falling flat in the second half, like Summit. Nobody could've said for 100% certainty (like you can in region 4 for example) who was finishing second. And it will be like this for years to come in Region 

1 minute ago, WrestlingGod said:

Not everyone. Indy was the surprise sure but its not like they were so far behind the rest of that playing field. The entire region was always back and forth. Indy lost to Brentwood and Summit beat Brentwood by a decent amount. Then Indy beats Summit and Page and Page beats Summit. The only consistency in the region this year was Centennial. The 4 teams behind them (Indy, Page, Summit, Brentwood) were all very close.

Lol I don't think Indy was a surprise. But you cannot actually think that Brentwood and Summit weren't the favored(for no reason). Go look at all of the coaches polls as they are constantly ranked ahead, as that is what I'm relating my statement to. Like I said if you live in Region 7 you should have known what was going to happen. I don't think Indy was a surprise though, they lost to Brentwood earlier because weight classes weren't set and dimelo got upset.

1 minute ago, TusslinAndRusslin said:

I've never been huge on the team rankings cause they are too hard to accurately predict. I always saw Brentwood and Centennial on even playing field so I expected competition for sure. Indy surprised me for sure, but they have had a well run program last few years so its not terribly shocking.

Yea I mean I'm not saying you personally but as to this forum it should be. I had Indy and centennial for a while now because Brentwood doesn't move there weights around and Indy does. But to this forum it should be a surprise, considering opinions of people all season 

30 minutes ago, TusslinAndRusslin said:

While Smith is still a good coach, the Bruins just didn't have the same talent level as last year. Not surprising to see them miss state in such a tough region.

No, it should be surprising. As they were continually boasted as a top 8 team in the state. Especially by cbg, THE STILLWATER COWBOYS STEED. Please, like anyone on this forum thought Indy was going to beat them. All year it's been BRENTWOOD>SUMMIT>CENT>INDY by everyone.

2 minutes ago, cbg said:

I am doing just fine.  Will have to admit that I am a little surprised that the Bruins were not stronger this year.  What really shocked me was that a very average (by their standards) Purple Irish team thumped the STILLWATER COWBOY early in the season and the match could easily have been even more lopsided.  

Just wanted to make sure. I remember you saying specifically that no one would have a chance in the region while the STILLWATER COWBOY was around...then centennial and Indy came around..

7 minutes ago, WrestlingGod said:

They're hot right now. I've said all season they were the team to beat in Region 7. Also Indy could sneak past a couple teams. Jared has a history of showing up in the cow palace and winning more than one match after sneaking under the radar all season long. I hope region 7 can bring home some hardware this year.

I've only remembered people talking up Brentwood and Summit(Not saying you personally). A few mentions of Centennial and none of Indy. At least on CoachT. But if you are a parent/affiliated with this region personally, I think everyone already knew Centennial was going to make some noise. Also think it was fairly safe to say Indy was going to beat Brentwood for those of us that know wrestling and how to move weights around, but yet everyone still remained all on top of Brentoowd 

On 1/18/2019 at 7:07 PM, undercoverplayer said:

Does anyone know where the closest Apple store is? 

I don't know I'm not even supposed to drive and my mom left me home alone on Christmas

So when are brackets out?

On 12/11/2018 at 7:14 AM, cbg said:

The BRENTWOOD BRUINS will be at home on Friday night and I feel confident that the STILLWATER COWBOY will have them lathered up and ready to put a beat down on the tea sipping PURPLE IRISH rich boys.

Are you okay CBG? Heard your STILLWATER COWBOY didn't get in to state. Just wanted to check up on you

17 hours ago, cobrakid8 said:

Math doesnt work very well in Wrestling, especially in duals. You state that McCallie is ranked top 5 while Centennial beat Summit worse. However McCallie also BLASTED Arlington AND Wilson Central prob 2 of the top 3-4 public schools in the state. While Centennial lost to Blackman and Oakland the second time they faced them.  Arlington beat Centennial 60-15 while McCallie beat Arlington 46-10.  Again your math doesnt work here, it just doesnt always make sense, like Centennial badly beats Oakland 53-23 but turns around and loses 38-34 the next time around. what happened to that 30 point margin?

Statistics always work. It just has to be more consistent. For example, I looked at one match you mentioned, Centennial vs Oakland. 4 varsity wrestlers didn't wrestle Oakland the second time around. A team like that that has 20 kids on there team, it will be a 12 point swing automatically or force you to change weights around at an attempt to win. So it's conditional on the match. That's where you have to investigate and put more time into it if people wanted to poll teams on the "actual" team and the team that wrestled. Especially around this time where kids are always getting the flu and cutting weight for decent plan. Different variable will always occur and have to be taken to account. 

1 minute ago, cobrakid8 said:

problem though is the one tier is way higher, after that is  random throw in. I will start a new one and put my top 10 and you all can chew those all up. but i will put my reasons

Yea believe me I get that. But math is some powerful stuff and I feel like I'm obligated now to show everyone how to add and divide properly. 

4 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

Thats the problem MC, there is a top tier, a mid tier and the rest are mediocre at BEST!

I mean brentwood hasnt beaten anyone of significance and lost to Summit, but Summit got killed by McCallie AND Bradley also lost to oakland and blackman and also Centennial

Centennial beat Summit and Oakland, but lost to Blackman and Oakland later on.

Yes but a tier list has to be relative to schedule and then head to head has to be applied or evidence from relative matches. It's like there's a pool of teams where they just randomly throw them around in different spots as opposed to using a statistical approach. 

21 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

foose, I would really like to see what OW's top 10 looks like because besides the first 3-4 its a jumbled mess after that! This is probably his.

 

Christian Brothers

Arlington

Father Ryan

Wilson Central

Centennial

Summit

Blackman

Baylor

Cleveland

Rossview

Watch out! Even a fake list without Brentwood on here while Centennial, Blackman, and Rossview on here might cause an uproar!

54 minutes ago, fooseball95 said:

I understand exactly what are saying I really do, but nobody is gonna be happy with rankings no matter the sport. You will be arguing this next year,  2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, etc. UCF didn’t lose a game for almost 3 years and people laughted at them. It’s part of it

I think the main part is that the coaches aren't putting any actually statistical or analytical thought into it. Regardless of line ups, etc. It should be clear that after the first couple in the list it no longer makes sense. As teams are ahead of teams that have been beaten head on. Multiple cases of it. Clearly not everyone is going to be happy, nor does it matter that much since it doesn't affect who the actual better team is. But why make a poll with flawed logic and placement decisions. It's different comparing college football considering how many teams, leagues, and schedules there are. Most of the "better" teams have already gone against eachother or have given evidence to what SHOULD happen if they meet. 

So just so I can understand because I'm new to this. But Summit beats Brentwood 48 to 30, and  Brentwood is ranked 11. Now Centennial who has already beaten Oakland, ranked 12, AND beat Summit 54-19 isnt ranked. I mean I'm not a sports analyst but I am a software developer and thats not really how logic works... Just curious who votes for the rankings or how they are made. 

*Just weird, I have a relative that wrestled D2 and then a younger brother that wrestled in this region. The D2 team is ranked in the top 5 beat summit in a closer match. Makes you wonder if people just brand name teams rather than put statistical thought into polls.

6 hours ago, Bump11 said:

Understood. And lucky? A 14-12 decision is not luck. A pin may be considered a bit of luck. But that high scoring of a match, that close of a match... no it’s not luck. He dug deep and earned that win. And for you to try and take that away from him and belittle that win, is pretty despicable. Maybe he was just the better wrestler on that night? Ever think of that?   No you didn’t because you are dead set on discrediting him. Chad may beat him next time. He may beat him bad. May pin or tech or major him...it’s doubtful, but it could happen. And at the moment Chad will have been the better man on the mat. But the previous match he wasn’t. Daniel was. And he knows that. Chad knows that, the coaches and parents and teammates and fans all know that. And no matter how hard you try, you can’t take that away from him. 

Well luck wasn't the best word but I think he got pinned by him last time. Not meaning it as if Chad is far more superior than Fowler or that hr didnt have a good win over him tje first time. I do think Chad has proven to wrestle better overall this year however. They will most likely wrestle at individuals again so we will see how they finish the tie

On 1/27/2018 at 6:11 PM, Bump11 said:

Because of the way they beat them at regions. If they had gotten lucky and won a couple 1 point matches then I’d say Indy and centennial may be just as good. But they didn’t. They dominated both at regions. So that is why I call it a slip up. Nobody is taking a match off against anyone. That can get you bitten this time of year so don’t go throwing stuff like that around. I’m curious as to who you support. You have now trashed an Indy wrestler but backed up that same team all in a week. 

Eh. Match was won by against both by a small amount of matches. How crazy the score can change depending on a coin flip. And Fowler is a good wrestler but I think it was clear he got lucky against Chad. Considering Fowler has lost to people such as Henderson that Chad has demolished. And I'm not supporting one team over another. My comments are statistically relavent and rather unbiased. I asked a reasonable question, considering Indys and Centenials match was technically still winnable about to the last 2 matches. I wouldn't consider that dominate by any means.