GaryGaines

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12 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

Swipes you are stating nothing but facts. At this point I don’t think it matters what you say or the policies you provide as evidence. It will be like preaching to a brick walk. Everyone who reads this thread will see the truth. And people in education know the deal and how things work. Haters are always gonna hate bro. 

HTV who was brought in by Swipes literally said Knox is not open zoned because he doesn't agree with you two. Then said the same as me yalls definition means all schools are open zoned. I guess what we are trying to say is it is much harder to go to another school than you think. Unlike in Greene Co. Also I've never heard of any school making you pay tuition if you go to school there.

42 minutes ago, Swipes said:

So you're saying you don't even know your own counties school board policies and didn't know they were open-zoned? 

What year did the federal government came in and rezoned Robertson Co?  (I'm truly curious since Federal government has little say so in zoning unless your talking about desegregation)

Once again it is not my definition of open zoning it is THE definition.  I have never once said any transfer policy i have posted means you can just go to any school you want (You are trying to put words in my mouth or tell me what i'm thinking when you have no clue). 

Here is the problem with you last statement.  You can't be a closed zone school system using the work MOST transfer request get denied it would be ALL transfer request get denied.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tennessean.com/amp/31086509

The federal government had all the say and it happened. 

As I said the only time you get to attend a school out of your zone in Robertson County is if you have a parent that works at the school that is out of your zone.

4 hours ago, Swipes said:

3 Incorrect statements in your post

1.  Williamson Co is opened zoned  (https://www.wcs.edu/pdf/transportation/Out-of-Zone-Form.pdf)

2.  Springfield is Classified as Open Zone too (https://tsbanet-my.sharepoint.com/:w:/g/personal/policy_tsba_net/EbSJ_AArP9hFiKJeehJSKLEBmEV8JbnT_ZeH0Ynm8AHzBg?rtime=h8TZbZ4-10g) . and has the same verbiage as Greeneville City Schools Systems Policy (https://tsbanet-my.sharepoint.com/:w:/g/personal/policy_tsba_net/ET_1cpmGAl1ChkV9Z8TE3WUBMHzJRnybLAtH1mhwVwEMvw?rtime=mc6_l54-10g)

3.  There is no by YOUR definition.  If one student can attend a school one is not zoned for then it is open zoned not matter the reason or difficulty of getting a transfer approved.  There is no middle ground you are either open zoned or closed zone school system 

 

Once again do research before stating what is open and closed zoned schools

So your saying if you have good grades, attendance, and think another school is better academically you can transfer to that school in 80% of the counties in Tennessee?

I've lived in Robertson Co for years and you NEVER hear or see people transfer schools because they think another school has better academics. They may have a transfer policy but it collects dust and that's it.

4 hours ago, Swipes said:

3 Incorrect statements in your post

1.  Williamson Co is opened zoned  (https://www.wcs.edu/pdf/transportation/Out-of-Zone-Form.pdf)

2.  Springfield is Classified as Open Zone too (https://tsbanet-my.sharepoint.com/:w:/g/personal/policy_tsba_net/EbSJ_AArP9hFiKJeehJSKLEBmEV8JbnT_ZeH0Ynm8AHzBg?rtime=h8TZbZ4-10g) . and has the same verbiage as Greeneville City Schools Systems Policy (https://tsbanet-my.sharepoint.com/:w:/g/personal/policy_tsba_net/ET_1cpmGAl1ChkV9Z8TE3WUBMHzJRnybLAtH1mhwVwEMvw?rtime=mc6_l54-10g)

3.  There is no by YOUR definition.  If one student can attend a school one is not zoned for then it is open zoned not matter the reason or difficulty of getting a transfer approved.  There is no middle ground you are either open zoned or closed zone school system 

 

Once again do research before stating what is open and closed zoned schools

I live in Robertson county. You can't transfer schools unless you have a parent or guardian working at that school you want to transfer too. Bottom line. The federal government came in an rezoned the schools because of demographics.  Know your facts. There are no programs that one school offers that another does not. It is open zoned by your definition but it might as well be closed. You are wrong and your definition of open zone is very broad and you believe everywhere is like Greene County which it is not.  Greene county has a less strict transfer policy apparently. You keep posting transfer policies which in your mind means you can just go to any school you want. What you fail to realize apparently is most of these get denied because they don't have a specific reason UNLIKE Greene Co.

4 minutes ago, barb said:

Being exempted from NCLB in 2013 was a big wake-up call for the power programs in zones without clearly defined transfer rules. One that comes to mind is Signal Mtn who reaped the benefits of NCLB transfers from failing Hamilton County Schools. As soon as that zoning loophole closed, their talent pool dried up. Not only did NCLB allow parents to choose a better learning environment but also an athletic program that would increase their kid's chances to play at the next level. You seem to be finding fault in allowing a parent to make a decision on what is best for their child. Greene County has 4 great high schools and all of them perform at a high level compared to the state averages which is great considering more than 60% of their funding comes from the state. If Greeneville is siphoning all of the great athletes from the county, explain to me how South Greene, which is the closest county school to the city limits always has outstanding athletics for both boys and girls.

You could put all other high schools in Greene county against Greeneville and it wouldn't be close. Fact. Because their athletes are at Greeneville.

9 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

First let me same I am 100% positive of my statement regarding zoned schools. I do agree with most of what you are saying about it does prevent certain schools from having good teams while some thrive. But I just don’t think that bashing posters on coach t is the way to solve the problem. You know last year Greeneville played Maplewood in the semis and Maplewood is open zone like greeneville. They played Anderson co the week before that and Anderson co was open zone. I could go on and on. The problem lies with the policies and individual schools can change them whenever they want. No one on coach t can. 

I've repeatedly said they have a great program. I've also repeatedly said they refuse to admit it's an advantage. I'm pretty sure williamson is in the same boat at Knoxville. I know all about Metro schools and they by your definition of open zone but they 90% of the time go to the school they are zoned for because they don't approve transfers as easily as Greene Co. Also Greeneville played Springfield High School which is closed zone. Do you consider that an advantage or no? 

7 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

How is it an advantage when almost every high school in the state has the same advantage and the ones that don’t could have if they wanted too??

I think your almost numbers on open enrollment are alot less than you think. I'm sure all the counties wish they were open zoned but they are not. Because it keeps counties from having only 1 or 2 great high schools. Like someone above they had a kid transfer for a band policy. In Knox Co they would tell you to join your zoned schools band. Unlike Greene Co that is not a legitimate reason.

6 hours ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

They are the ones with all the power to fix your problem. That’s why. Why complain about other teams and what they do when it sounds like your school board is the problem. 

I just want Greene fans to admit it's an advantage for them. Just one time.

12 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

So to answer my question you have spoken to them??

No why would I? Nothing would happen. 

44 minutes ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

Ok. So serious question. Since Knox Co schools have such strict transfer policies and you feel it gives them a disadvantage against other schools in football, have you spoken to the school board about amending their policies and requirements?  They have complete power to do so and level the playing field. Why don’t they just do it??

Too keep the teams more equal and not have 3 or 4 dominate programs in the entire county.

7 minutes ago, KEV-O said:

You're wrong and are making yourself look bad in the process bub. Were you this vocal about open zone in 2005 or just now that Greeneville is whats between your boy going to 

What part am I wrong about? I've been vocal about it forever. I think everyone should be on the same page. You can say it's the same but it's not.  Knoxville has the strict policy because it keeps the power in balance. You really think kids from Gibbs/Karns/Carter etc.. wouldn't rather be at Farragut, Central, etc.... yes they would the strict policy keeps them from doing that. UNLIKE Greene co. My kids never played against Greeneville or in their classification.

7 minutes ago, Swipes said:

My comprehensive skill are A-OK .  The first step of recovery is admittance.  Glad you finally admitted that Knox Co. was open zoned since Knox Co itself says it's open zoned. I'm guessing you forgot to read the part on my last post that stated " I've stated this more than one time on here It does not matter the reason for a transfer, How easy or how hard it is,  or if one student or 500 students attend a school they are not zoned for then the school system is OPEN ZONED point blank period".  It's pretty black and white rather a school is open zoned and which ones are closed zoned.  If any student can live in one zone and attended another school that one is not zoned for your open zoned.....what a tough thing to comprehend 

Like your refusal to comprehend Greeneville let's anyone who can play ball come there and its immediately approved. Unlike Knox county where you have to have a legitimate reason. 

Bumblebees get swatted tonight. 

Just now, Swipes said:

Dumber by the post.  You're Own KNOX CO School Board uses the term "Out-of-Zone Student" and you still try to argue.  I've stated this more than one time on here It does not matter the reason for a transfer, How easy or how hard it is,  or if one student or 500 students attend a school they are not zoned for then the school system is OPEN ZONED point blank period!  There is no other definition for it

Please Read your school board Policy

 https://www.knoxschools.org/cms/lib/TN01917079/Centricity/domain/974/board policies/J-152 Student Transfers Within the System.pdf

Again your listening/comprehensive skills are dumber by the post. You can go to another school for a very specific. If you don't have said specific reason you can't go. Unlike in Greene County. Sorry maybe I should say Knox is open zoned with very strict transfer policies unlike Greene County. Does that sound better?

7 minutes ago, Swipes said:

I find it funny in that Policy they even use the words out-of-zone student.  I'm sure Gary will try to still argue his point even tho i've given him more proof than just the Board Policy within Knox Co . 

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An “out-of-zone student” is a student who attends a school that is not his or her base 

Your definition of what is zoned and what isn't is different because you are from Greene county where it is EASY to go to whatever school you want. In Knox county you CAN'T just go to another school because you think that school has better academics or athletics. They will not approve your transfer request unless you have a legitimate reason UNLIKE in Greene Co. I've seen COUNTLESS kids get denied because they did not have a legitimate reason. HTV literally has told you the same thing. 

4 hours ago, Swipes said:

So what you're saying is over 80% of the schools districts that are open zoned have an advantage over the 20% of the schools systems that are closed zoned. So, Knox Co has the same Advantage but you just like being a troll 

Knox county isnt open zone for the 484858 time. You can go to a school out of your zone if you have a very specific reason. One night being you think the other schools academics are better. Alot of school districts are closed zones so they don't end up like Greene county with one school being absolutely dominate over the rest. Such as knox/sumner/rutherford.

14 hours ago, BIGPURPLEMACHINE said:

Yes I agree that every school has written transfer policies. However there are some school in TN that are closed zone meaning you have to live in that zone to go to that school. If a student transfers in they must live in that zone. 

These are the folks I'm saying Greeneville and open zoned schools have the advantage over. Which they REFUSE to admit is an advantage.

1 hour ago, Swipes said:

Each School Board does make a decision if they want a transfer Policy on file or if they do not want one on file.  No one is making the school board put a transfer Policy on file. (They are not required to do so like you stated).  If one can attend a school that one is not zoned for (No Matter the Reason) then it is open zone point blank period it can't be called anything else.  That is the definition of an Open Zoned School System.

What would you classify Knox Co School System as then?

 

Ex.  Little Johnny lives in the Karns School zone but Little Johnny's parents want him to attend West High School because they have the International Baccalaureate program that is not offered at Karns were Johnny is Zoned for.  Parents apply for a transfer and get it approved for Johnny to attend West even though he still lives in the Karns Zone.  So in a closed zone school system this would not even by an option for little Johnny but Open-Zoned it is.

 

 

When was the last time you seen a good athlete transfer to a school whose athletics were awful for educational reasons? That would be like a kid from Alabama going to Vanderbilt because it's a better school. Never. They may say they are transferring to said school for academics but 99/100 are for athletics. Like HTV said your definition of open zoned is all schools are. Just because you put in a transfer request does not mean it's going to be approved. In some counties it is very very difficult and has to be a major problem. From what I've gathered Greene county has a great transfer acceptability rate. Mostly for people who are good at ball. Again advantage Greene people refuse to admit it is an advantage. I've also never said it was wrong. I said it's an advantage.

3 minutes ago, Swipes said:

Then 80% of the public schools in TN would have that same advantage since they are open zoned.  Time, hard work, and coaching is what give you an advantage not that you School Board has a transfer on File.

 

I still don't understand how people don't think Knox Co is open zoned.  Here is an article about dead lines to apply to 3 schools outside your zone a year.  You also have a principle of and Elementary School in Knox Co that states of the 560 students at her school over 250 of them attend from outside their zone.

https://www.knoxtntoday.com/transfer-deadline-draws-near-for-kcs-families/

 

Because it's not open zoned and I think that number is far less than you think. Williamson is zoned. Knox zoned. Rutherford zoned. Montgomery zoned. Sumner zoned.  Many of the biggest counties in the state are zoned. I understand that they work hard and have a great program BUT they have an advantage over most high schools. FACTS.

1 hour ago, Swipes said:

Then question for you how can a kid that lives in Karns Zone end up going to school in the Powell Zone?  Thats not closed zoned.  So what would you call it?

 

HTV also Stated "There are criteria that have to be met.  But it's easier for some to meet that criteria than others.  

Not going any further on that one. Don't want to be accused of something that I am definitely not."  Me and HTV know what has gone on in Knox Co for a while

I have no answer. I'm just stating the facts that in many counties it is very had to change schools if they are zoned. It has alot to do with politics I'm sure. Again I'm stating that being an open zone county gives you an advantage. I'm taking nothing away from the program.

5 hours ago, Swipes said:

That is exactly what I'm saying and is backed up by National Ranking and also test scores that are public record. (https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-school-districts/s/tennessee/).  FACT Knox County is open zoned (Prove me Wrong).  Greene Co (opened zoned), Greeneville City School System (Open Zoned) along with  over 80% of School System in the State.  I have given you true Facts and all you have given is Opinions that you keep stating are Facts.  Please provide Proof to what you say and then I will believe them as Facts.  Greene Co doesn't have the option to just go to any school they choose it has to be Approved also.  Same applies to the City School System.  The more you talk the less educated you appear to everyone else.   I'm Sure @HTV  can fill you in on Players getting transfers approved within Knox Co for "Supposedly non athletic reasons"

Well that back fired didnt it? "No knox county isnt opened zoned" - HTV

1 hour ago, Swipes said:

Please show me in any public school boards policy were it states "Transfer can happen for Athletic reason"?  It's not in Knox Co and It's not in Greeneville City or Greene Co. School Board Policy either.  I can't leave something out that DOES NOT Exist.  You are pot calling the Kettle Black because you have no clue about transfers or the Fact that the Kid that lives in the Karns School zone and transferred to Powell has siblings that still go to School in the Karns zone and live in the same house hold and it was for "Academic reasons" give me a break .  I'm sure you knew Greeneville starting center the last 2 years transferred to South Greene this past year correct? or the fact that SG made the Quarterfinals last year in 2a? KNOW YOUR FACTS not state opinions and call them FACT.

 

I also find it Funny that Greeneville City School System is ranked top 5 public school system in the state year after year and the county school system is usually in the 50's mark and to say it's not for Academic reason.  My parents Both attended county schools growing up, but when my brother was born my parents decided that no matter what we would attend the City School System because of the education difference.  I have relatives that are high up in the Greene Co System.  I also am close friends to the Greene Co Director of School (Who guess what His Son attended the City School system, not even the school system he was over because of the educational difference when it comes to College readiness and resources available.) . I'll just throw this out there I'm sure my Parents knew when I was 5 that I would end up being a starter on the Football and Baseball team at Greeneville High School for 3 straight years or that my brother would be the starting PG for a team that went to state in basketball when he was 5 also when they decided to enroll us at Eastview Elementary School back in the early 90's.  Once again do your research and know your facts because you my friend are CLUELESS

So you are saying Greeneville academics is superior to all other schools in Greene county? Sigh again Greene county has the option to go to whichever school they choose regardless of what you say your stature of athletic ability in Greene county has influence. Many counties do not have that option unless they have a legit reason and then it still may not be approved. Again..... FACTS.

2 hours ago, Swipes said:

Yes you are once again wrong.  You don't even understand what is even classified as open zoning.  Each School Board (That has a transfer policy on file can approve a transfer for a student to go to another school that one is not zoned for).  This is nothing different than a Greene Co. Student applying to attend the city school system and the school system having to approve it.  TSSAA has no say so in school board policy and how a school board is ran and who they admit.  They have rules that if you transfer you must sit out a year if you have a previous varsity record if you do not move into the zone of the school you attend.  You are correct that Reggie Grimes got a transfer approval to play sports this year at Ravenwood because his dad is employed there (Which is with in the TSSAA transfer policy and still being able to play).  Ex if Reggie Grimes was a Junior and his family decided to transfer him to Ravenwood and the Williamson Co approved his transfer he could have still attended Ravenwood while still living in Mt. Juliet Zone and would have to sit out a year (If his dad was not employed), but would be eligible the following year with NO CHANGE of Address and going to a school that is classified as Open Zoned.

Here is where you are confused.  Powell's Football player had an approval from Knox Co. School Board to attend Powell even though his family lives in the Karns zone. (If he hadn't then he would not be able to attend Powell last year or currently be enrolled at Powell as we speak).  He had a previous Varsity Record which ruled him ineligible to play at Powell last year because he did not move into the Powell Zone (The reason why they had to forfeit 6 games ).  There is no difference in a football player attending South Greene in Greene Co and having a Varsity Record for 1 year transferring to Greeneville High School (Because the School Board Approved it).  He would have to sit out a year to be eligible to play sports under the TSSAA Policy but still doesn't mean he can't go to Greeneville High School for the year even if he still lives zoned for South Greene.  Same would be said if a Gibbs Player and Parent decided to apply for a transfer through Knox Co. and got it approved to attend Halls without changing addresses (Same TSSAA Rules would apply as in Greene Co.)

What part you are leaving out once again is in knox county for example you can't transfer schools just because you want to play for a better team it has to be for an "academic" or other reason. You can say that's not the case in Greene county but there is a reason every other school in greene county is awful and Greeneville is great. All the athletes from the other schools go to Greeneville to play ball. Which I can't blame them. Who wants to play on the losing side. FACTS.