TotallynotLEO

I didn't want to say it but now that it's over I will. No one was getting Cleveland. No one was getting Soddy.

No one gave Halls much credit or thought.  I know the seeding was crap but they got by DB and a Bradley team that had momentum. I think there was resentment towards them coming from small school.  Many prolific posters on this board dismiss small school wrestlers and programs. I think Halls showed they can compete and I'm glad to see it. IMO Sayne has done more with less than anyone in the state.  No transfers, no big money, all developed in house. Most importantly,  he cares about these kids deeply. 

Good advice.  As the day went on,  they seemed to insert themselves more and more.  It's like they got tired and aggravated later in the day.  I get it,  long day.  Some rude fans and all but keep kids safe. It's the number one thing.  

Station Camp was tough,  they're pretty solid throughout most of the line up. Coaches and fans fit that program were great.

Tullahoma showed up too. I thought they did really well today.  Fans were really into it and great.  

As I've said all year,  Soddy is just on another level this year.  They were fired up today.  I'm pretty confident they're the 2nd best public school in the state behind Cleveland. 

Signal can score points on most every team at about 6 maybe 7 weight classes.  Beyond that,  they're done.  

PF is good from 126-215. Some of those are really good,  some are just good. I thought they were flat today.  I also learned they're dirty and fans were trashy. I was disappointed with the way their coach reacted.  

Didn't see this one but I walked over to watch a couple AC vs PF matches while waiting on Halls/Cleveland. 

PF kid broke an AC kids finger,  on purpose.  AC kid holds his up his hand to the ref,  finger is straight sideways.  Ref looked at him,  said "I didn't see it,  you need to finish wrestling."  No injury time.  

Refs were generally ok, but man when they were bad,  they were really bad.  Won't even try to keep kids safe. To add insult to injury,  PF coach made fun of it. 

20 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

I haven't seen PF this season, but I just don't see how they get beat by Signal. Signal has 4 wrestlers and that is about it, after watching them the other night! PF has more good wrestlers with Pratt, Cable, Hood, both Howards, the 215 and heavy aren't very bad either and SM isn't very good at 215 and 275 so PF should win those matchups also, I feel PF can give SD a run for their money that Signal can't. 

Signal will get bonus points at 106, 113, 120, 126, 132 and 175. Truth be told,  they probably get those bonus points against everyone.  

PF gets bonus points at 138, 144, possibly 150, possibly 157, 165, 190, 215 and heavy.  That's 8 weight classes to 6 but bonus points stack up.  Who can get them and who can limit them is the question.  

Soddy will win. They are a complete team.

Station Camp is good,  possibly 2nd best team there.  I predict they will give Soddy the toughest dual of the day. 

Signal and Tullahoma could be fun. That Davis/Avans  match at 175lbs will be fire.  1 vs 2.

Winner of that dual gets PF.

Pigeon forge,  Tullahoma, Station Camp and Signal all have some really great wrestlers. But all 3 teams also have a few holes.  Station has the least gaps of any team besides Soddy IMO. 

This is all my opinion of course but here's how I see it.  

PF is solid or competitive from 126-215. 

Signal is really good from 106-138. 150 and 175. They have holes though,  especially up top. Of course if you can pin at 7 weights and just force a Dec at 1 more you're going to win.  

Tullahoma has a lot of talent spread throughout the line up.  Their random role players as I call them are better than most.  

Station Camp has a good kid at every weight.  

AC is a group of scrappers with just enough good kids up top and in the middle to beat most teams.  But this is state duals and not most teams. 

Munford and Millington are similar to AC. They all have holes.  

I'm curious about how West TN wrestling matches up against the East, some of these teams wrestle in bubbles. 

23 minutes ago, WrestlingGod said:

I think my biggest issue is using last years results to seed this years teams. 

 

Take DB for instance, they lose two of their best wrestlers one being a state champ. They're not the same team this year they were last year and shouldnt be seeded based off last years team. 

By your logic returning state placers shouldn't be seeded in the individual tournament based on previous results. Would you advocate for that too?

49 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

They beat Station Camp at the Wilson Central duals earlier 64-0, sure it will be closer this time.

 

signal might have some issues with Tullahoma for sure. I think it will be Soddy vs Pigeon Forge in the finals and be a tight matchup 

Didn't know they wrestled earlier. I wonder if Station was at full strength?  I don't think it matters,  Soddy is 1, maybe 2 levels ahead of everyone else.  

I think PF makes the finals and can have a few good matches. Soddy will pile up bonus points at 106, 113, 120, 215 and heavy.  They may get 30 points there alone.  

Brackets are up.  Station Camp vs Soddy in the semi will be fun to watch.  

How about Tullahoma vs Signal? Could be fun to watch and the winner gets PF. 

My predicted order of finish. 

1. Soddy

2. PF

3. Station Camp 

Don't sleep on Station Camp.

Soddy

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PF/SM/SC

Tullahoma 

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everyone else

On 1/26/2024 at 11:02 AM, oceansize42 said:

Crockett has to get by Anderson County. I'm pulling for Crockett but that matchup is actually tough.  Anderson beat them earlier this year (39-33) and gave up a FF at 132 while doing so.  See if lineups change or what modifications are made...

Buddy called me with the results.

AC got by Crockett 36-33. Some line up changes but nothing that matters in the end.  

I disagree.  There are times as coaches you place the health of your kids above all else.  Sickness?  Injury?  We don't know what is going on and i agree with FargoStrut. Kids could be hurt,  sickness could be going around.  They may be banged up and just want to get healthy. 

If you just recently wrestled and it wasn't competitive,  all you're doing is taking a beating for the sake of pleasing the ego driven fans/parents. We know what the result will be.   Go ahead and focus on individuals if you want.  

See it all the time in D1 college where guy medical FF out of  tournaments to save themselves wear and tear. 

Halls defeats Science Hill 54-17.

Looks like Halls got another one back in the line up tonight that had been out with a broken nose.  

1 hour ago, cobrakid8 said:

Yeah, the 106 Higdon you can tell has been there before, our freshman had a rough time with him last night, Rawlinson did well for the first minute but after that you could see older Davis turned it on and Rawlinson got caught and like you said the Uhorchuks always bring it! After going over their results I was expecting more from Signal and some of their wrestlers but after last night I do agree they could force Soddy who to bring out and it would be closer but not sure it would be close to enough.  I was VERY impressed with Ayden Jenkins last night, I thought it was the right call to not put him down last night and choose neutral for the 3rd, just hate he gave up a wild TD that put him to his back that he almost had as a TD and BP himself. Should have been a tech instead of a MD and I was not expecting that decision at all. I will say since they did move around weights so much we didn't see Carter Lynch who is ranked last night for Signal, maybe if they throw Jojo at 120 and let Lynch wrestle his usual 126 against Duncan they have a better chance to get some points back.

 

I do expect them to get a good match or 2 in at State Duals, surely someone out there has a tough small school team? I do agree they should win individuals, they have a chance to place 10 maybe even more although not many champs. Anyone know why Elijah Turner hasn't wrestled much at all this year?

Just my opinion but Pigeon Forge probably matches up the best with Soddy. There are a lot of really good match ups there. In the end,  Soddy is the more complete team and the bonus points they'll get at 106 and heavy will create distance. 

120

132

138

144

150

165

190 

All those matches have the potential to be fun to watch.  

Signal gets past SESI. 

I'd say it's in the 45-27 range.  

Crockett vs Signal could be interesting at 106 and 138 if SM bumps Ethan. 

I agree on Davis. He looks really good.  I think at this point SD could contend with Summit. They beat DB and Halls. 

9 hours ago, cobrakid8 said:

I knew they were good but I really had a hard time believing you from before about how good, but they even have some good JV kids to fill roles when needed! I say they have Alcoa at 5 tomorrow at the round gym. At state I’m not sure what anyone else has for them but it should be a nice ride! 

I've been to quite a bit of off season stuff last spring/ summer.  I saw a lot of SD kids at those events. I saw quite a few at FS/GR stuff.  Also saw em at the Soddy Showdown this season.  They're solid, I've seen enough.  In my opinion,  they're probably top 3 public school in the state, regardless of small/big classification. I think they would beat most of the big school teams at state duals heads up. Not Cleveland,  but they make that one respectable.  

I looked for my coach while I was at SD but never did find him.  Maybe next year.  

19 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

They looked fired up tonight. Not sure who they have tomorrow but whoever it is will have to bring their best to even have a shot

Lol,  Cleveland ain't walking through that door tomorrow. I mean that to say, there's only a handful of teams that could give them a run.  None of which are small school.  

Halls over Maryville 36-34

55 minutes ago, Ummmno said:

At one point in the season they were ranked as high as number 2 in the state. Then they completely dropped off. I hope they make it through to state. Id like to see how they really stack up. 

They will make it through sectionals,  I have no doubt.  They're getting a couple guys back and a couple more on weight.  They're solid,  not the same team as last year, but still good.  

Looking forward to seeing Halls with a full line up finally.  I don't think Hardin Valley Academy has anything for them though.  

1 hour ago, TalkingSense said:

Minus this isn't true. SESI and Alcoa are district 5 (Region 3) and Seymour is district 4 (Region 2). So in region 2 it's Clinton vs PF and Seymour vs AC. Then region 3 is SESI vs Cumberland and Alcoa vs Stone. 

I think you're confusing my posts. The post you quoted me on was my response to someone about the Seymour vs AC match.  

7 hours ago, dontstopbelieving said:

Congrats on spanking Seymour can honestly say I didn't see that coming! 

I think they shuffled the line up around. Whatever it was,  it worked. 

22 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

I didnt know Samuel Everett was that good this year! I'm interested to hear who makes it out of this tomorrow night since Soddy and Signal will have to wrestle the winners!

It will be Alcoa and SESI.

SESI will get the loser of SD and SM.

Alcoa gets the winner.  

SD and SM both win. 

For comparison sake,  look at what happened with Grundy, Virginia's wrestling team.  

Wealthy local businessman wanted to support the football team with a lot of funding.  Got told they'd take the money but nothing else. He declined. 

They had a wrestling program that was small,  poor and didn't win a lot.  Businessman decided that's where he'd focus. He poured about 1mil into it.  Best coaches,  facilities and tournaments. Check out the results.