Glass Eater 12

The coach told me that one of the assistant principals told him that.

And I also believe I have seen that on CoachT before. I will check it out.

Who did they beat in 03? That would have been Branium's last year.

CONGRATS ON THE WIN! I PREDICT 1 OR TWO MORE DISTICT WINS BEFORE THE REGULAR SEASON CONCLUDES.

However, coltsfan they did beat Anderson Co twice, and Loudon once in 02-03, for 3 district wins. Anderson twice, Loudon, and Lenoir City once in 01-02, and a win in the district tourney.

I very seriously doubt the Bill or Doug would have told you no district win in seven years.

very impressive to lose by five at home, and trail by 14 headed into the fourth???

If thats "very impressive" then I wonder what you will say if they ever win a district game. Loudon is a decent team, but I wouldnt get all gushy over a loss.

Beep Beep.

I agree a loss is a loss, but a team that is going through adversity like this one and still be play in defeat is a good sign in my opinion.

They showed alot of heart fighting back from the 14-point deficit, a lesser group would have thrown in the towel.

Good effort, I agree I feel things are coming together.

Well it varies, but lately it has been K.Lowe, B Strunk, B Silcox, S Phillips, M Lowe

 

but he usually takes M Lowe out very quickly and puts in Hutson.

 

I think the rotation he uses, is workin real good.

 

against Loudon they did really good. Did you see the game?

I was at the Oneida/Coalfield game, but what ever Coach M is doing is starting to pay dividends. That was quite a showing against a good team!

The smaller rotation will allow him to keep his key players on the floor more.

I know it was a loss, but still yet it is someting to build upon.

Good luck the rest of the way!

And I in return will ease up on the 6 girls that quit. I just read all the threads about SHS and how they will miss those girls. Yes they will be missed one way or another, but the "rumors" are they quit because they didn't get the playing time they and their parents, "I am sure", thought that they should. But according to you the 6 that quit made the difference in a couple of games. Then my question to you and anyone else is...."If they didn't get to play much then how did they make such a difference in previous games?"

 

It sounds like to me a bunch of sour grapes...Anyways this subject has been turned every which way that it can be. So it's a dead topic now.

 

So Glass Eater what do you think about the starting 5 lately? Good choices or do you think there is another 5 that would do better? Are there any girls playing that you think shouldn't be? Just asking, wanting to know your opinon.

Who are the starting five now?

Glass, I have read your posts and I do think you have one interest and that is to devide this team and community. The TEAM has moved on and they are happy. You did say "Rome wasn't built in a day." Then you are acting like you can't believe they don't have 20 wins and everything is going to go smooth when you have a major change. When Tennessee has changed coaches on the men's teams they have lost two or three players everytime they had a change. Those are called "casualties." As bad as we hate that they quit, the fact is THEY qiut. Just like Wiley-gatewood quit are we going to thrash the coaching staff. I know, it's Pat! Thing is it happens with changes sometimes.

 

What we need to do now is move on and back this program. If you can't do it without having negative or off the cuff comments do the same as if you were watching t.v. change the channel, or turn it off. Find another team or stop watching or writing about the that we have. Even if you don't support this coach and team you do have to tear it apart for those who do. If you are a supporter as you say you are........SUPPORT! Please stop picking everything apart. The players and coaches are working hard to give us something to be proud of. The thing that might be hurting the way that the girls are playing since those girls quit could be all the negative comments in the community about the TEAM and their coaches.

OK redlander,

I am just stating some facts about the progress of the team, and have not been very negative, and my comments are just on this sight.

All you had to do was watch R.L on sunday night if you want negative comments. So, to say i am picking everything apart is insane, believe me there are alot of people in the community with an interest in this.

Glass eater, your a sad little person. You say that I don't think much of the girls that quit. Well excuse me, I didn't know quitters was something to be admired. And I could say the same thing about you. You don't seem to care anything about the Lady Highlanders or their Coach. Are you a parent of one of the Ladies that chose to quit? Whatever, and yes now that you mentioned it, I am looking up the stats for other games. So I don't make the mistake of saying the girls won't be missed, without some stats to back it up.

 

But to put all of that aside, they quit so it really doesn't matter if they would have helped or not, because now they are no longer on the bench so they took theirself out of the equation.

 

GOOD LUCK AGAINST LOUDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK ladyhighlanderfan,

I get your point, and I will respectfully ease up on this topic. I do actually support Coach M, just take the time to look at my other posts. I have actually said in the past "it's not the jockey it's the horse, you cant' win the Kentucky Derby riding a mule", there is no question the talent pool for this team is far below average.

And for the respect of Coach m and the team I will ease up on this subject.

And I will also agree with you, that quitting is nothing to be admired, but when six players walk-out, regardless of what the reasons may or may not be, there has to be some sort of internal problems.

And I also stand behind my statement, those girls will be missed, IE-AC & McCreary.

But as you said, they are no longer on the team, so do the best with whats left.

I don't know what happened at McCreary Central but the Anderson Co team was red hot, probably the best shooting night they have had or at least one of the top three. Outside / Inside it didn't matter. Scott didn't shoot well but AC had something to say about that as well.

The style "out of control" you are talking about is what it takes to beat some teams because they (SC) are not big enough to stand toe to toe with the AC, Loudon and other's. Sometimes what looks like unorganized basketball is really the only way to compete. Sometimes you have to make teams play faster than "they" want to.

 

Bottom line is right now Scott County is not as good as the will be in a year or two. They are young inexperienced and only small in height not heart. In the AC game they were playing hard until the very end.

But what you should like about them (SC) is they were upset about losing they don't like losing and that is what will make them better in the end

What looks like unorganized basketball, is just that unorganized basketball. Scott is doing nothing to speed up the game, all of this " fast paced" action is coming in transistion, not off off forcing the other teams into TO's by pressing them. They get a defensive board run to the other end in trasistion and throw up a 3-pointer without having the numbers.

Then the other team slows the game down, brings it into a half-court game, so the point you make about speeding the game up is wrong. Scott might try to run in trasistion, but they do nothing to dictate the flow of the game with the opposistion.

Don' tget me wrong, with the personnel they have I am not saying they should play a half court flex the entire game, but they should pick and choose their transistion oppotunities better.

The Lady Highlanders won and loss games before the girls left the team and they have won and loss since then too.

 

To Coach Marcum, my hats off to you, you have made Lady Highlanders ball fast paced again and even if they lose they are a pleasure to watch, at least they lose doing their best. You can't get out there and make the baskets fall for them. I am waiting to see how the season ends, and really looking forward to next season, since you will have much more time with them to prepare for next season. I am sure it will only get better. Good Luck Coach M.

ladyhighlanderfan,

It appears you don't think too highly of the girls who walked out, and I can understand that, but to degrade kids, and yes they are still kids is very "small" of you.

Your stats on the gibbs game were very interesting, at least you are doing you homework now, but as I said earlier, Gibbs may be the worst AA team in the state.

I am sure your are digging up the McCreary stats as we speak, so I will be looking for them soon.

Good comment, on the ladies playing fast paced. This shows how little you know, I would not refer to it as fast paced, but rather, out of control. By the way while you are digging up those stats, dig up TO's per game. That should be interesting.

Furthermore, that "fast paced" basketball as you refer to it produced all of 43 points against Anderrson Co., and 22 after three quarters with AC top line up. That faced paced basketball really produces points.

On the difference in score, Watch a replay of the first two games and tell me how much any of the girls that quit had to do with those wins.

Amen!!!

Easy now coltsfan, like I have said in the past I almost always agree with you, but to answer your question.

Shelton & Jeffers both matched up much better with Lindsey Watters than anyone did Monday night, maybe you should watch that replay.

Coach M did a good job of throwing his post depth at Watters, and she did fatigue in the second half of the first game. He didn't have that same aresenal Monday to keep fresh post defenders on her.

As far as Gibbs, I think you will have to admit a couple of these girls were factors, but I will also admit, it was not a huge factor.

Allow me to clear up a misconception you may have. I personally have no problem with Coach M, I think he is a very good coach. Look at my other comments concerning this subject.

I just don't like the way ladyhighlander fan perceives this situation, calling these girls quitters, and referring to them as no talent bums, goes a step to far.

May I add this, "the good players that stayed" got beat by nearly 40 last night. With "the quitters" playing it was a bit closer, and on the road mind ya.

So, my point is this, the girls who walked out are being missed, and will continue to be missed!

Winfield Middle School's gym is prolly the smallest, the have two rows of bleachers on both sides, and the court isn't wide enough for the 3 point line to make it to the corners

Are you referring to the Winfield Middle in Scott Co., just north of Oneida. If so they have a new gym this year, it is pretty nice. About like Huntsville Middle.

I have asked if any of these accusations about Coach M. are true. And a parent said NO!, that her daughter said that he is not abusive at all, yes he yells, but doesn't all coaches yell sometimes. He wants the best and will settle for nothing less.

The parents of these quitters need to get over it! They make themselves and their daughters look silly by running around the county and crying about it. Your daughters quit, they are no longer part of the team. That was their decision not anybody elses. So they didn't get to be a starter, and didn't play as much as they would have liked to, well my gosh, I am sure the concept of "your daughter just isn't that good of a player" ever entered your mind.

Sorry but as usual I feel the need to correct you on your errors.

1. 90% of the comments about Coach M being abusive are false, certain people don't have the facts and are merely repeating comments they have heard in the public. I believe we refer to that as "hear say". On the other hand some of the comments are true, and Coach M has over stepped some boundaries.

2. "the quitters" as you desribe them, "your daughter just isn't that good of a player" as you commented. Well, lets look at facts, not just your incorrect opinion, shall we? Since the walk-out they have had two common opponents from whenthe girls who walked out participated in.

Beat Mccreary Co, with those players, yes I know it was @ home, but they did lose by 20 last night.

Gibbs, a double digit win @ home, a two point win @ Gibbs, which by the way may be the worst team in AA, 4-14, with one of those wins against Washburn.

So, as usual your opinion is just that "your opinion", I know you are entitled to your opinion, but next time, look at facts, like statistics, common opponents, etc.

Looks to me like the players playing now aren't that great either!

Hello to all, I am a new member on CoachT. I never really felt the need to post on here, but lately, the urge hit me.

 

I have been reading the post on SHS, and Coach Marcum. I have been really back in to watching the Lady Highlanders for about the past 8 years. I go to all the games and if I can't make it then I watch the replay on the local cable channels.

 

I was thrilled when I found out that Marcum was coming to SHS, because the man knows how to build a real good program. Rome wasn't built in a day you know!

Eddie Kries did a good job last year. But Marcum is the man you need to bring this program back into competition.

 

As far as the 6 girls quitting, there is an old saying. "A winner never quits and a quitter never wins" I hate that these girls quit because I don't like to see anyone quit something, but really only 2 of the 6 that quit will be missed. Whitney Strunk could hit the 3 ball and make things happen, and I really wanted to see Ashley Bee play but she has been sidelined for a while now with her knee. Ashley's freshman year the girl was very talented and you could except to see great things out of her in the future. But she tore her ACL and then has surgery and she hasn't gotten back to her level of playing that she had her freshman year. But other than those 2 what did we really lose?.....nothing the other girls that quit didn't really play much and if they did, didn't really do anything great.

 

Now Marcum has girls that want to play and are willing to stick it out, so best of luck to Coach and the Ladies that are left, be patient, your time is coming. Keep working hard, never give up, and GET A WINNING ATTITUDE!!!!!

 

GO LADY HIGHLANDERS

I usually stay quite and just read what others have to say, but I have two posts on this thread by merely correcting statements I feel are misrepresented.

For you to say that only two of the six will be missed, and to mention the two you mentioned just makes my head scratch. I am not sure you know alot about the overall concept of the game. Stop for a minute and look at the lack of post play this team has right now, and think about how losing Shelton and Jeffers, two fairly adequate post player will do for this team. Who provides post depth now? Wait until the 6-3 from CAK comes to town, these two provided the best match-up against her, so now what could have been a winable game at home against CAK will be a struggle.

Furthermore, Haley Watts was one of the more versatile players on the team, capable of playing 3 or 4 posistions, and should have been given more of an opportunity.

Megan Acres will also be missed, she was going to be a good player.

So, ladyhighlander fan think before you speak!

They will all be missed!

I don't know if you were at the game or not, but the score dosen't reflect the entire game. The first half was an excellent game. The second half was a different story. It wasn't what Kingston did to change the game, it was how Scott played that changed the game.

It was an emotional game for the players because there were players that quit this week. It was a sad thing that happened because there were a couple players that left that could help the team.

When you ask the question "whats the problem", it's a little of all of the above.

First of all you have a new coach that is trying to rebuild a program that has not been competitive for a long time in their district ( Its been 7 years since Scott High girls have won a district game). The coach however, is willing to do whatever it takes to turn it around.

There are some parents that don't agree with the girls he has chosen to play because their daughters are not playing most of the game. They talk alot about their opinion to other parents and in front of their girls. I think this could only have a negative effect on these players and this team.

Patience is what it is going to take for players, parents, fans, and coaches to get through this and turn the program around. If the effort is there, playing time will come. Parents, please support these girls and coaches. They need our support instead of our CRITICISM.

As for the comment on two good programs to choose form, there will be if we will all do what I have said above. By the way, according to CoachT site, Kingston is 4 & 1 in the district.

coltsfan,

While I normally agree with your insight, I will have to respectfully disagree with you on the first half, second half comment.

Lets be realistic, first of all there are two halves for a reason. A poor shooting first half, or trouble with specific assignments, lead to second half adjustments, and give the Kingston staff credit, they made the necessary adjustments.

I will however say this, the lady landers are their own worse enemy at times, TURNOVERS, TURNOVERS, TURNOVERS.

I hesitate to say this, but while people early in the year were speaking of how much better the girls were playing, I would simply reply that the style of play was different than last years team, and this years team would struggle win win as many as a year ago.

I will say this, keep Coach M, the last thing the ladies need is their third coach in as many years.

Biggest coaching mis-match of the year!

Hall vs. Perkins, big, big advantage to Hall, with that said Scott by 25+.

Scott is still a team that needs to improve, or the losses may become contagious. They could continue to struggle in the district if the post game doesn't come around, guard play is good against weak teams, but they struggle against good competition as well.

Look for 15-17 wins.

I was excited about Coach Marcum when I heard he was coming to SHS, and in the first couple of games I was still excited, but over the last few games, all I keep thinking is..."What the heck is he doing?"

 

He has left his older players on the bench. All he plays are Freshman and Sophmores, not that they shouldn't be played but he has some really descent good Juniors and he has all but left them behind. I know you have to get your young players some action but at the cost of your older players who have already put 2 years in and should be playing?

 

Now I am not saying that Kate Lowe or other young players shouldn't be on the floor, Kate is an awesome point guard and is doing a fine job. But he rarely plays Whitney Strunk, and when he does she makes one mistake and out she comes, and Tara Jeffers has barely played in the last couple of games, and he has completely quit playing Megan Lowe, I just don't understand his reasons behind his coaching lately.

 

I am not the only fan who thinks this way, I have talked to many people who made the very same comments that I have brought up in the thread. What has these olders girls worked so hard for? Just to be overlooked on the bench.

 

Well in my opinon "HIS" young team fell apart in the game with CAK, they were tied up all thru the game and then the Highlanders just fell apart in the last 2 minutes. They lost the game by 10 points.

 

I would like to hear other peoples ideas or comments on this matter.

 

I would like to add that he does play Bobbi Silcox but she is about the only older player that he does play.

OK,

You want other comments, I would be glad to chime in from an abjective view in this matter. First of all; I believe I remember you from last year speaking of the poor coaching job that Kries and Murley were doing, and earlier in the year you were praising Coach Marcum, ah just a hunch, but I would guess your daughter was playing earlier in the season, now she is not, or she is not playing near as much and now the coach you were praising is doing a bad job. So, if I am right, you are more concerned with one player and not the development of the team. As you stated I am sure some other parents have this same view-point, and if they do it is wrong to put your individual concerns over that of the team.

It is time parents quit pointing fingers at the coaches, and realize what the true problem is.

As the old saying goes, "when your pointing your finger there are four more pointing back at you".

Comments you made are nothing but problems for a team that needs encouragement, not criticism. Sad to say most of these so called "complainers" no nothing about the game of basketball, and let me tell you, your current coach, and previous coach (Kries) both know the game! Kries won 80% of his games in the 80's when had had something to work with.

Another old saying, "you can't win the Kentucky Derby riding a mule", all I will say about that is the talent pool is very, very depleted.

So quit whining, and start supporting, or if Coach M is making wrong personnel decisions, maybe he should consult you, for your expert advice!!!!!

I'm sure the Lady Tigers will continue to get better under Shoemaker and Hamby. The game in which Oneida's 20 point lead evaporated, was probably more reflective of the Lady Indians inconsistency with their focus. The program at Sunbright will continue to progress if the players don't get frustrated and continue to buy into Shoemaker's system, but right now one can't put the Lady Tigers on the same page as Oneida or Coalfield. Two teams, in my opinion, that are still trying to rekindle last years magic. The Indians have better talent this year than the team that went to M'boro, so if the chemistry comes around watch out. Sunbright has good players that their coaching staff will make better in the long run, I don't think there is any question about that.

Kaz

Well said Kazam,

Oneida will find their focus and make a run much like last year. There is no question the Lady Indians have the talent to reach the state again and probably will. It is easy to lose focus at times, especially against a team that you beat-up on just a few weeks ago, but maybe this will be a learning experience for them, to not take anyone lightly!

As for Sunbright; they have some talent, but are a bit youthul. They will continue to get better, but to be reasonable 4-5 more wins this year might be about it. Next year on the other hand, .500 or better.

They are very fun rivalries! And every game played in the area is very entertaining! It seems like no matter who any of theses teams play, there fans pack the gym! It is always a fun atmosphere here in the upper cumberland! I have seen alot of basketball and I will say that this area brings the best atmospheres! Lafayette, RBS, Celina, HS, PC, Clarkrange, SC, Gordonsville, Monterey, JC, etc. Fans at theses really get into there basketball and it makes the games very fun to attend on a nightly basis especially when it is in the very small gyms where it is twice as loud!!

As I stated earlier being a county or two west of you, and being in the East Tennessee area, I will have to agree the atmosphere in that areas is much greater!

I have been to Clarkrange on several occasions, and agree that is a home court advantage!

The only other venue I have been to that you mentioned is Celina, but that was for a football game a few years back, not quite the same atmosphere, i would presume.

I will pop in from time to time to keep abreast to these rivalries.

Starters for RBS will be on the bench by halftime!!!

I am two or three counties west of you but would just like to say I enjoy reading these post's about the teams in the Clay/Macon county areas. Sounds like the teams there have great rivalries, and the fans have a great passion for the game. I wish it were more like that here.

But anyway,

Continue these great posts! I enjoy keeping up with things over there.

Catchy little phrase!

Not that it matters, but the BCS bowls didn't start until the 98-99 season, and Tennessee was national champs.

Scott by 10.

Best of luck to both teams and coaches.

I completely agree...Scott High girls have always been in one of the toughest districts, especially when Oliver Springs had Laura Hall and that state qualifying team. But no matter how tough your district is, you need to at least compete. You can't allow yourself to get blown out night in and night out. For one, it looks bad on your school, program, girls, and coach, and most importantly, it's tough on the girls. It's hard to look forward to lacing up those shoes and putting on that uniform when you're so used to losing. It gets tiring after a while. The girls have to have something to play for. A winning tradition is hard to create yet easy to destroy...and it's hard to bring back up. I just hope that can happen for Scott High. I want to see the program become successful.

Star 3,

I can't say that I have ever heard a more true statement of characterizing this situation. When you said "a winning tradition is hard to create, yet easy to destroy" , this is far too true of what has taken place at SHS, this was once a feared powerhouse in girls basketball.

As you said losing is tough on the girls, and sad to say but losing is also contagious, and it is hard to overcome this with the lack of recent success.

Great post!

i think coach king is in tha top??

Well, being that this site covers basketball for the entire state of TENNESEEE, I am sure there are more than one Coach King. Could you be a little more specific in which coach King you might be referring to.

Could someone post the dates & times of the tournament. It would be appreciated.

Who are the gimmies on their schedule? I am not seeing a whole lot of teams on their schedule that I would call gimmies.

I don't want to speak for Star 3, but when you look at "gimmes" there are many on the schedule, and I think he/she is not just referring only to this years schedule but the last several years.

I will say this, a school with nearly 750 students should not lose to a shool of less than 150, IE-Oakdale. to take nothing away from Oakdale, but just numbers alone should make this a winnable game every time.

Give the Ladies credit they have won two of three "gimmes" this season, Jellico & Gibbs. Gibbs is perhaps one of the worse AA teams in the state.

And to add to my post...

 

In 2002-2003 it was 9 games they won.

In 2003-2004 it was 5 or 6 games they won.

OK, I had actually forgotten a few of those players. Your point is well taken. Casey West in particular was a very talented player, and the teams she played on should have won more games. So, I will agree, the coaching must have been a BIG problem.

However, look at the team from a year ago, very, very sub-par talent, and they maneged nine wins, including a win over State qualifier Coalfield(class 1A). so back to my point that Coach Kries, and Murley did well with what they had to work with.

You make some good points, and I am inclined to agree with 80-90% of your posts.