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This was quick.......but please tell me where the "domination" is? May have some of them wrong, yet like I said.....it was quick! State Champions: 2004 Baseball: 1 out of 3 Private BoysBB: 0 out of 3 Private GirlsBB: 0 out of 3 Private Football: 1 out of 5 Private 2005 Baseball: 2-3 BoysBB: 0-3 GirlsBB: 0-3 Football: 1-5 2006 Baseball: 0-3 BBB: 0-3 GBB: 0-3 Football: 0-5 2007 Baseball: 2-3 BBB: 1-3 GBB: 0-3 Football: 1-5 2008 Baseball: 2-3 BBB: 0-3 GBB: 0-3 Football 1-5 Guess you were talking about track and Tennis?

How many privates have won football state titles in the last 3 years? Just curious?

That's kind of my point......only in reverse. If I am a welter weight figher, yet have my weight factored by 1.8, forcing me to fight heavyweight............and you beat the crap out of me....What do YOU get out of it? This all about specific schools winning specific titles in specific sports. There is no other way to make fair for all....except for splitting them. I haven't heard one single private say they were against it! I am sure I am wrong, but I don't know how you could be....Except if you are one of the dominant sport schools beating the crap out of Publics.....yet then it goes back to your point. What do they get out of it? Fault the Privates for not taking the initiative and doing it themselves. We could still play together......but not be forced to!

USJ in Jackson has not faired well since the Multiplier went in to effect. I think the football team has gone like 5-25 in a three year period.....Boy's basketball is 1-19 in district play over the past couple of years...........Oh yea, but then there is baseball (which I know will get brought up). This just adds to the dilema. They will always be able to compete in baseball, regardless of classification. How to wash all that out is just another problem. Is it the physical aspect of the difference between the three.....I could say that, yet I'm sure there would be nay-sayers as well. I get carried away sometimes and probably run my mouth too much, exaggerating a little along the way. I don't think we will ever be able to compete in AA in the two sports where to me, size matters. Noticed I mentioned "compete". I have no false aspirations of winning all the time, just gets old being slaughtered by schools three times your size.

Like I said..........I will wait......... You know....this is not even about Championships for us. It would be nice to win a district game every once in a while! Real hard to do that when everyone else has 6-800 more students than you! I, like you, have no idea what the answer is. I just think if the same set of lop-sided rules were imposed on the public school system......THE WORLD WOULD COME CRASHING DOWN! You can't help but get a sense that the majority of this is about the "haves" and the "have nots". You hope that is not true, yet it's about time someone called it like it is. This misconception in turn is "lop-sided". Don't burn the masses for the "haves" of the few! If there was an all out split........We have NO false ambitions of ending up in Murfreesboro EVERY year. That would probably be less of a possibility than it is now! YET, we would be participating on a "LEVEL PLAYING FIELD".....................Unlike now! Novel idea, don't you think?

Son's team played this kid last year. Enjoyed watching him in warmups, shoot from anywhere on the floor. Were fortunate enough to know about him going in, so we were able to somewhat shut him down (under 20 was a success) with a sagging triangle in 2. Let the rest of them shoot at will, but at any age, it's hard to score with two guys in you shorts with you at all times, with another sagging as needed! Could tell he was going to be special.......just out of curiosity, how did he have a choice where he was going to school? How long ago was his brother @ GC?

Your're right......there are no guidelines as to qualification for financial aide and noone ever looks at it! It's just done by word of honor! All part of the Private's master plan to take over the world! They shot JFK as well from a hummer parked behind the grassy knoll! Sorry for being a SA.......my bad!

You hit the nail on the head.......but that's not what it is all about! From the outside looking in.....one has to only assume, by the mere ignorance of some of the solutions proposed on this issue, that the main goal of the TSSAA is a complete split....they just don't want to be responsible for it. Easier to run em all off than to suggest it themselves! "Can't compete in AA.....well here then, try the rural/urban split! That will be much better for us.....I mean you." Would some...just one....of the so called "private-haters" (sounds harsh)....please give me a reasonable explanation on the difference between magnet, metro open-zoned and private!? This seems to end topics pretty quick..but go ahead....I'll wait. And please don't give me the recruiting, financial aid BS.....if that were true, everyone of you would be on the phone to Ronnie instead of here posting away! Talking D1 privates, by the way! Split em.....split em hard, split em quick, split em soon!......Did I mention to split them? We are ready to take our ball and go home!

You are right....my fault. Hey, you never answered me earlier about how % increase plays in....."but only schools with an increase of 20% such as JCS and Liberty Tech were re-classified in 2006."?. I have another question for anyone that might know. Enrollment figures include grades 9-12, right? Are there still High Schools out there that are only 10-12 and how are they dealt with when it comes to classification? May be a thing of the past.......not sure...just wandering?

Guess you are right.....but D1 privates (like Trinity Christain) on the list have the "multiplied" 2006 number compared to the "non-multiplied" 2004 number to figure the % increase (enrollment actually dropped). D2 does not......so it is a little misleading when looking at the D1 private's increase in enrollment. Even the TSSAA admits that the trend you mentioned above will continue to go up........NOW is the time to address it once and for all.

I see your point....I was not sure exactly how they come up with everything. What you outlined above seems to be the best solution out there.....THEREFORE......I am sure it will never happen! This is all giving me a headache! Gonna home-school and form my own Organization! Later

Maybe so......but the way I understood it was that you could not move up more than one class during one classification period (which I understood as 4 years)? USJ moved up from 1A because of the multiplier, therefore could not be bumped up to 3A during the same 4 year period even though the 2006 numbers indicate they should be. Maybe not what I said.....but that's what I meant. I did not mean initially in 2004. Bottom line.....if the 2006 numbers were to hold true for 2009...and...TSSAA leaves things the way they are...USJ would move up to 3A....right? How does the % increase factor in to all the reclassificaion. Just wondering because I do run across numbers that have not made since to me on the TSSAA website? Would appreciate any info. Thanks

You are right......Although mine will be a freshman next year......and so here I am...when I should be working! The alignment you mentioned above would be the fallout of that "rural/urban" split I think. Keep in mind this, though, Outside of always playing for 3rd place in the district.......look at where you would go if you ever got out! Football and Basketball trips to the state would be less of a possiblity than they are now. Enjoy your last year of Middle School Basketball.....it will be a lot of fun as was ours last year!

Like I said.....based on my assumptions of two D2 divisions....using the the 2006 enrollment figures (all I have)......with the first 35 out of 70 in A and the next 35 in AA.....only JCS falls with USJ (and they are borderline being the first one on the second list using those numbers). I would not have a problem in the world with the district you proposed.....I'm just not sure how things would be split up. Maybe they put all the current D2 schools in one group and the current D1 privates in another...who knows? That may be what you are using as a basis....not sure, tired of looking at it. We can sit here and make all the assumptions in the world....yet until every team in the state goes 23-1 and makes it to Murfreesboro....Someone will be unhappy! Those are the times we live in!

Not quite sure how you say that.....I'm assume yours wouldn't. Granted I'm just starting to get in to all of this......Fill me in. By my count.....there are 70 or so private schools in the state (TSSAA website). Stick them all in D2......assume they split them in to two groups......and there is not another Private in the Jackson area (possibly JCS, depending on the latest numbers) outside of Memphis and Nashville! Where do all the district and regional games come from.......or do we automatically win! Like I said....I am new to this......but right now I'm not having to drive to Memphis and Nashville for district games and If I do.....that will cost me more! Hence the comment. I'm making a lot of assumptions...using 2006 enrollment figures, 2 classifications, etc....So help me out if you can. I made it clear that I was FOR a split as opposed to the way things are now......so I'm all ears!

You are exactly right. Another thing I've noticed while cruising this site is that most of the time it is hard to come across posts where it actually looks like both sides are listening to the other. Most are just "fire away" from the hip...picking a few words from your opponent and forming them into whatever response they couldn't wait to get out! If more people....on both sides, actually listened to the other......I think there would be a lot less "feuding" going on. Like I mentioned before......I actually see both sides.......HONESTLY! There is obviously an advantage to the private schools "open boundaries"....and yes, there should be some way of accounting for it! I don't think the multiplier is the way to handle it, yet I truly, honestly don't know what the solution is! As for the recruitment everyone so "quickly" jumps all over........It's not going on...at least at our school. Although, If it was.......I'm sure I would not rank as to be brought in to the loop. Yet........there is not one single kid that stands out as a "wonder how he got here" kind of athelete! There are (mostly baseball) student atheletes that have obviously chosen to come there based on that being the best shot they have at winning....admittedly this was an offering that could not have been afforded just any public.....except the Magnets (which in this area was not as attractive from a baseball standpoint). Looking back.....our decision on sending our kid to Private was made when we built in an area of Rural Madison county (when he was 2 yrs old). This was based on being zoned for Whitehall Elementary public. I'm not knocking the school.....may be a very good public school......just did not like where it was! Not sure how familiar you are with Jackson, yet that was somewhere I was not comfortable sitting in the carpool lane! Our big decision then became which one to send him to. With three good ones in the area...we ended up choosing USJ.......And I can HONESTLY tell you........I had NO idea of the atheletics at any of the three. Growing up here...attending JNS........ Old Hickory (now USJ) and JCS were not exactly Sports Powerhouse's so our decision was based absolutely NOT ON SPORTS! The mere fact that he turned out to be a pretty good basketball player.....after the fact......leads me to get involved as I have. On a side note....one thing I don't think a lot of people realize is the little footnote added when the multiplier was placed in to effect. That being the fact that a private can't move up more than one class during one classification period. It is a bigger issue in football with 5 classes, yet most of the Privates complaing about being in 2A football don't realize that, by the numbers they really should have been in 3A.......AND WILL BE if the TSSAA rules on leaving things as they are for 09-12. You think it's bad (from a "being upset" standpoint).....wait and watch it then! I still think the only solution is to split them. Travel costs will go out the roof yet what else are you going to do? Have a good weekend

I realize that you two have kind of "come to an agreement" if you will.......yet I can't pass up the opportunity to chime in, especially since that last few threads have touched on a specific subject that hits home with myself! I sit and read all of this Public-Private debate, usually just keeping to myself, yet when the opportunity to chime in comes up.....well here goes! The mere fact that the TSSAA sees a 1.8 multiplier as fair and just......ABSOLUTELY BLOWS MY MIND! For every Private championship they are trying so hard to negate....there are 75-100 struggling programs which have become nothing more than "easy wins" for the publics (yet that is what was wanted in the first place, right?). The mere comment in the beginning about USJ being a "dominant force" was obviously based on "pre-2005" experiences. Since the multiplier went in to effect........the football and basketball programs @ USJ have become nothing more notches in the win colums for all the public district and regional foes. Only with the patented TSSAA match does a school with an upperclass enrollment of 360 or so end up in the same district as an inner city school of 1100 (JNS)! But this is fair...right? As for recruitment......if building a winning tradition at a school (baseball) makes others who can afford want to attend your school.....then I guess we are recruiting. As for out and out recruitment....NOT HAPPENING...period. How can you look at the boys and girls basketball programs and think that. If it was...then the Sanders girl would not be leaving and Casey Prather would be headlining with a Bruin paw on his headband! Baseball is not a "size matters" sport! And....I can tell you now, with the line of kids coming up (that, by the way have been there since kindergarten), you can stick them in D2 AA and they will still compete! There is nothing the TSSAA can do about that, although I'm sure they will come up with something. I too have the same PAL pictures of the boys who have come up playing basketball together! Our only problem now is some of these multisport atheletes will probably choose not to play the sports in which there will never be any way to compete! Slowly these programs will deterioate even more and then you want have to worry about the Privates at all.......but guess what, there will be some other issue.......some other "thorn" in the Public's side! I, myself, wish there was a split! Schools of the same size should play each other! In the modern times of the "multi-homed" parents and Magnet schools, there is no way to make this fair for all.....absoulutely no way! The way I understand it is this. The multiplier was put in to effect to give the Public A schools a chance to win......right? But...the same winning Privates moved up and won in AA anyway in particular sports! Now....it's the AA schools not wanting to play! So there are two options..Split them or increase the multiplier factor in order to move them up to AAA! I know they are voting on doing away with it all together, yet does anyone ACTUALLY think that will happen......NOPE! Every decision made by the TSSAA is targeting specific sports in particular divisions at particular schools! Noone is actually looking at what it is doing to the remaining sports at these schools! I agree totally with the comments about the kids not caring as much as the parents on this topic but I will say this. They don't fully understand all the politics involved......the only conclusion they make is...."we are not as good as the people we are playing against". They don't understand why, that's just all they see. Ironic, I think? Isn't that exactly opposite of what they have always been accused of being? None of this is directed at the first poster and I apologize if it seemed so..........just venting!

Great topic.......Not sure where to stand. Having played all three sports in High School, the only advice I have ever given my son was to pick one (your best) and concentrate on it year round. Maybe not the best advice...yet it was just that, advice. No pressure....just a suggestion on how to not become the "jack of all trades.master of none" like his old man. Back in my days.....when fall was for football, spring/summer were for baseball and winter months were spent in the gym....it was not as difficult as it is today for a good high school athelete to play all three major sports. The only thing you missed out on was the off-season weight training, which didn't bother us at all! My only problem with kids these days having to choose is that usually some sports suffer! At our school, baseball is all the rage and secondly most want to play football here (for some unknown reason). Basketball is the sport that suffers at our school currently. With fball weight training in the morning, followed by bball practice @ noon, then off to baseball practice in afternoon, it is almost impossible for a child to compete in all three, even two in some cases. I know all of this sounds like just a personal gripe, yet depending on the history of the schools programs, certain sports will continue to suffer if it is almost impossible to play all three. I guess if given the same advice that I gave my own......the others had chosen basketball as well.....I would not have as much to complain about. Hypocritcally yours,

Anyone with an inside track heard any late rumblings on whether or not the Multiplier will remain or not? Recently heard that it would probably remain, yet the number would be lowered?

Uh...................what? What is the date on your "hype" source?

Probably right.......yet I have a kid in private school therefore I have unlimited wealth and I could just buy the website and erase the things I do not agree with. If all else fails....I could just recruit people to post the things I want to read..........

YES.......and as a private school supporter......I expect my vote to count as 1.8 votes! Then.....After the final tally is complete.....we then can re-define the multiplier to make sure the totals come way we want!