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Coach Logsdon, Having grown to appreciate the coach and the man that Coach Jackson was and is, having watched the evolution of the Bradley program, and having watched and admired the role that you have played in the process, I commend you on your fitting and eloquently from-the-heart tribute to Coach Jackson. The program, however, was a vision that you shepherded through to the program that Bradley has become. You accounted for Coach Jackson's influence in getting the program moving in the direction that it has become. How fortunate he was that you were there to continue his beginning, without any noticeable transition when you swapped your coaching responsibilities. There seems to be no defineable eras, but just a continuous Jackson/Logsdon era. He must be very proud of you, as many of us are. And, Coach, just in case it was unclear in the foregoing, I appreciate the coach and the man that you have been and are.

I understand that double elimination was to be proposed to the D1 coaches by one of the regions. I haven't heard whether it was passed by the group to be forwarded to the Board. It has been sent to the Board before. The Chattanooga paper usually covers the coaches' proposals in the Sunday edition. Maybe some coach could give us the scoop.

Team points scored by each region: Region 3.....394.5 Region 5.....387.5 Region 7.....357.5 Region 4.....276 Region 8.....274.5 Region 2.....261.5 Region 6.....261.5 Region 1.....161.5 Note of interest: Regions 2 and 6 teams scored identical number of points. Traditional geo-area team points scored: Middle Tennessee (Nashville).....1006.5 Southeast (Chattanooga)........... 670.5 Upper East (Knoxville)............... 423 West Tennessee (Memphis)........ 274.5* Memphis area is at a disadvantage in scoring area points because the area brings only four wrestlers per weight class to the State, whereas 6 placements are awarded. Other areas bring 8 to 12 per weight class and therefore have the potential to sweep any given weight class, which Memphis area does not have the potential to do.

OW awards historically are given after the finals of a tournament to honor the selected wrestler for his performance in that tournament. That is not to say that other things may not from time to time influence some judges, and the State is no different than any other tournament in that respect. Other agencies, such as some newspapers or wrestling groups, give Outstanding Season awards that may be called Wrestler of the Year. The State Tournament OW needs to remain just that. If anyone wants to offer another Outstanding Season award, go for it, but not at the expense of the outstanding performer in the State Tournament.

Soms, Sly's on target concerning Legman. I believe you stand alone in characterizing all of us who prefer anonymity as being cowards.

I stand corrected. Indeed, there were three-piece uniforms at one time: the body piece, tights, and shorts. The influence of international wrestling eventually displaced these with the singlet and tights or just the singlet without tights.

Sundancer, In Tennessee they didn't.

The intent of awarding OW at a tournament is to recognize performance in that tournament. If some group were interested in recognizing performance outside or above and beyond the scope of the tournament, it could be done, most probably through the coaches association. The term "Best Wrestler" was used years ago. It appears "Outstanding Wrestler" comes closer to reflecting the spirit of the recognition than "Best Wrestler", because the selection appears to attempt to honor a wrestler (or one of the wrestlers) whose performance or achievement during the course of the tournament stood out (in a singular or a number of ways).

Just for clarification: Does anyone know for certain whether the wrestler in the third seeded slot in 103 was seeded there or drawn in? All that I have read seems to operate with the knowledge or under the assumption that he was seeded there. I may have missed something along the way.

"Seeding" is just the term used for "placement" of individual contestants in a prescribed rank based on pre-determined criteria for the purpose of separating the more skilled contestants in the early rounds. It doesn't matter whether the system that ranks the contestants is called placement or seeding, the results are the same (in the case of D1, wrestlers are purposely placed in given slots because of the spelled-out system that coaches worked out and agreed on and the TSSAA accepted). The manner of ranking for placement (seeding) can, and sometimes does, vary from tournament to tournament. Thanks for the "good luck". Many of us are probably in the same boat. Although we individually may have a special team that we are rooting for, there are individuals on other teams that we are pulling for also. And good luck to you, your team, and the left side.

No the night (the period from sunset to sunrise) is not over. I can still see it through the window. It will be around for a few more hours. Come on Hamm. You can do it, Buddy.

BOTW, Of all the many, many scholastic tournaments of which I am aware and in which seeding was utilized, the seeding process was limited to those individuals who were determined to meet a certain standard (however loose it may have been) to be considered for seeding. Those who were not nominated for seeding were then draw in. That is not to say that there have never been scholastic tournaments that have not seeded every single kid entered. I personally have never been aware of such a tournament in nearly four decades of awareness. You and I may not have the same understanding of what seeding implies. My understanding, as far as I can determine, conforms to the mainstream thinking of its application. The TSSAA seeding procedure is certainly not based on the same procedure that invitational or regional tournaments are based on. But the criteria used for separating qualified wrestlers is a form of seeding.

KKW, Edit or delete is still an option.

Glovebox is correct in that there are seeds (or more precisely, can be) in the State Tournament. He is further correct that wrestler A was put in the second seed slot, the key being "put" in the second seed slot, not seeded there. According to the TSSAA site, there were no former medalists to be seeded in this weight class and therefore all wrestlers were either randomly drawn into a particular slot (the 8 region champions are drawn into the top 8 seed slots) or were placed in a slot, (depending on how higher seeds were drawn),according to a pre-determined procedure. Seeding can be done by whatever method the involved parties agree on. It can be participating coaches hashing it out, or it can be by pre-determined criteria, as in the case of DI State. Yes, the procedure that the coaches asked for, and that they formulated, and that the State uses is a seeding process involving qualified wrestlers.

The original intent in seeding the State Tournament was to place returning placewinners in seeded slots to help insure that the better wrestlers meet later in the tournament, rather than gamble on an unlucky randon draw which could match more competitive wrestlers in early rounds. Head-to-head is a common number one criterion for seeding, often listed first simply to say that, if two wrestlers have met head-to-head, the winner will be seeded ahead of the loser. Everyone who has experience in seeding tournaments most probably has a clear understanding of this. It does not involve any other wrestler who has not been contested by either of the head-to-head contestants. It does not involve the number 2 criterion nor the number three criterion. It involves only the two wrestlers involved in the contest. Example: In determining the order of the seeds by the standard criteria, if the order were to be: 1st seed A 2nd seed B 3rd seed C 4th seed D But it turns out that C has beaten A in a head-to-head, then the order changes thus: (since a lower seeded wrestler has beaten a higher seeded wrestler, the higher seed then must drop below the wrestler who beat him in the head-to-head). This then should change the order thus: 1st seed - B 2nd seed- C 3rd seed- A 4th seed- D

Congratulations to these three wrestlers and to their coaches Joe Blair and Jeff Lester.

There is at least one poster on the board that may be able to find out for you about what you heard concerning the only tape. He will probably be on the board during the next day or so, and maybe he will see your post and respond.

Look at the thread Region 5 Brackets.

Brentwood High placed 2nd in Region V Smyrna placed 3rd Centennial placed 4th Sorry, did not get the other 18 team placements... Following are Brentwood placements. 103 Chase Sanders 2nd 130 Kellen Holliman 1st 135 Nick Chamberlain 2nd 140 Jonathan Brown 2nd 145 Seth Jones 3rd 152 Stephen Ross 2nd 275 Stephen Slowey 4th Lavergne's Jeff Adcox placed 1st at 160.

The TSSAA does not have copies of the finals tapes. If another avenue is found, it will be posted.

Nate is not injured. He came back through the consolations and took third with a pin.

Coach Blair put a message on one of the threads that Region V brackets are posted on the Brentwood site at BrentwoodWrestling.com.

Big time chance. Good luck.

And thanks to you, Coach Blair, and to Coach Ruez, for getting the brackets posted. You do our wrestling community a big service.

KKW, You're a good man who's known for callin' 'em like he sees 'em, but if you think you're in the "getting old" category now, there's a huge surprise waiting on you down the road.